are whites humanitys curse?
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@ shep you said: "pretty much all anthropologists agree there is no separation of races, as do most historians."
I disagree and your statement is up for debate.
"and i was using the example of blacks causing poverty as an example of how riduculous yours, and askg's, points of lumping white people together was."
Your example was ridiculous and I seriously doubt it was based on statements made by askg or myself. I'm not saying "all whites are bad" or "all whites are pedophile cracker devils". I don't believe askg implied that either. Instead of making ridiculous statements why didn't you ask him to explain himself? That's something ***NONE*** of you have done.
@Nitro you said:
"Thats all correct but number two doesn't just happen. People teach and practice racism every day, but one doesn't just accept it because it's there or it sounds interesting (not saying it never does)."
No one is implying that number two just "happens". Number two happens by CHOICE.
"I believe that white people accept racism because of their expierences with those who they are eventually prejudice against. Remy may have accepted it, but it was based on how black people at that school treated him. Look how he acted when those Nazi's brought him in, he was scared, confused, and wasn't really down for the cause."
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE MENTALITY OF COUNTRY HICKS WHO'VE NEVER TRAVELED FROM THE WOODS YET THEY HATE NIGGERS? MOST PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT RACISM DON'T DO IT FROM EXPERIENCES. THEY ACCEPT RACISM BECAUSE OF FEAR, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES. I LIKE HOW YOU COVER FOR WHITE PEOPLE AND FIND AN EXCUSE FOR THE WAY THE RACIST ONES BEHAVE. SPLENDID! LETS SAY ASKG HAS RACIST VIEWS. ARE THOSE VIEWS BASED ON EXPERIENCES?
"Then more shit happened to him, and he built up this hatred for those who he believed were doing him wrong, black people."
SEVERAL PEOPLE DID HIM WRONG IN THAT MOVIE NOT JUST BLACKS.
YOU SAID: "I said: "Saying that all white people are materialistic devils.."He said: "that the trendy materialistic devils of america want"
HOW DOES "TRENDY MATERIALISTIC DEVILS OF AMERICA" IMPLY "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE MATERIALISTIC DEVILS"? HOW DO YOU PULL ***ALL*** FROM THAT STATEMENT?
YOU SAID:" I said: "who hunt down non-whites like Ice-T" "He said: "it seems anyone is fair game in this real game of surival...much like those mofos hunt down ice t in that one movie..."Much like those mofos that hunt down Ice-T in that movie... Heresy, he said "much like" that movie."
WHEN HE SAID "MUCH LIKE THAT MOVIE" HE COMPARED THE MOVIE TO *REALITY*. HE MADE *NO* INDICATION OF COLOR/RACE BUT COMPARED "THIS REAL GAME OF SURVIVAL" WITH THE MOVIE. IF "ANYONE IS FAIR GAME" WHY SHOULD BEING NONWHITE MATTER?
"what are the details of that movie, a bunch of white guys hunting down a black man? Come on now. I understand that we interpret his post differently, but this shit is obvious to me."
YES, A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS ARE HUNTING DOWN A BLACK MAN (IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE) BUT HE SAID *ANYONE* IS FAIR GAME. *ANYONE* CAN CONSIST OF WHO? IS ANYONE LIMITED TO NONWHITE'S?
"That all goes together if you ask me (and probably anyone else on this board)."
WELL, I'M ON THE BOARD AND I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD MAKE IT SEEM RACIST. IF ANYTHING MATERIALISTIC DEVILS COULD IMPLY BUSH. DIDN'T HE MENTION BUSH AND HOW AMERICA TAKES WHAT IT WANT'S?
"He did not use racial slurs,"
SO WHY WOULD YOU USE THAT ANALOGY WITH ME WHEN THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT?
"but the fact that he pointed the finger at "white" people makes it extremely racist."
I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM POINTING THE FINGER AT WHITE PEOPLE. WHO ARE IN CHARGE? WHO ARE THE CULPRITS? IF HE IS POINTING THE FINGER AT *EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON* HE IS WRONG.
"What does skin color have to do with the will to cause destruction?"
HONESTLY I BELIEVE GENETICS (NOT SKIN COLOR) HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. THIS IS SIMPLY AN *OPINION* OF MINE AND WOULD TAKE MANY POSTS TO EXPLAIN.
"There is no point in highlighting every destructive event in history that people with "white" skin were behind."
I BELIEVE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. MANY CRIMES PEOPLE WITH "WHITE" SKIN HAVE COMMITTED HAVE NEVER BEEN DOCUMENTED OR REPORTED. BESIDES WHEN IT IS HIGHLIGHTED PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF WILL FIND SOME WAY TO "SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG".
"To use such useless information and stereotype white people based upon this information is extremely racist, and if you don't see this, then I honestly think you are a prime example of the very blind racism you talk about."
WHY DO YOU CONSIDER THE INFO USELESS? PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST:"SHOULD ONE BLAME RUSSIANS FOR WHAT THE IRISH DO? NO. BLAME THE RUSSIANS WHO DID IT"
"The fact that you defend him and the things he said prove this to me."
SEE THE ABOVE.
"I have come to grips with everything people of "white" skin have done in the past, I just don't see the need to emphasise it and stereotype "white" people as a whole based on it."
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOU'VE COME TO GRIPS WITH EVERYTHING PEOPLE OF WHITE SKIN HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE OF WHITE SKIN HAVE DONE. I SEE THE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BUT I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE STEREOTYPE WHITE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE. NOT ONE PERSON HAS IMPLIED ALL WHITES DO THIS OR ALL WHITES HAVE DONE THAT.
"What he has done here is *no different* then me studying the history of terrorist networks, and then labeling everyone of middle-eastern decent a terrorist."
THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB YOU AREN'T A PART OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA. I'VE YET TO SEE HIM SAY "ALL WHITES" OR EVEN IMPLY "ALL WHITES".
"If he made the same post with evidence and support that having white skin is relevant to destruction, then I would have looked at it differently."
I'M NOT SO CONCERNED WITH "SKIN". SKIN CAN BE DETERMINED BY CLIMATE. I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH GENETIC MAKE-UP OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR RACE.
"But given his previous posts, where he called white people evil, I would have to say he is not interested in teaching anyone anything useful or positive."
CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO PREVIOUS POSTS WHERE HE CALLED ALL WHITE PEOPLE EVIL? *HUMANS* ARE EVIL. DOES THAT MEAN ALL HUMANS STRIVE TO BE EVIL? NO. YOU HAD WHITE PEOPLE WALKING WITH DR. KING AND WERE ALSO BEATEN AND JAILED WITH HIM. YOU HAD WHITE MUSLIMS WORSHIPPING AT MECCA WITH MALCOLM-X. INSTEAD OF EVERYONE BASHING HIM SOME OF YOU (WHO FEEL YOU'RE SUPERIOR) SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.
"I am not denying any of this. My point is, does this mean *anything* more than just a fucked up useless statistic on paper? Is this more than just a coincidence? If you *don't know* you shouldn't be agreeing with him in the first place. And if you think there is something to this, that maybe the color of ones skin is relevant to the destruction he causes, then let me hear your theory. What is the significance of skin color and the destruction one causes bearing the 3 different racial colors (as catagorized by scientists)?"
IF YOU AREN'T DENYING ANY OF WHAT I SAID WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS? THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SKIN COLOR IS NOT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. GENETIC MAKE-UP *MIGHT* BE LINKED TO THIS DESTRUCTION BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION AND WOULD TAKE MANY POSTS TO EXPLAIN. IF I DON'T KNOW I SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH HIM? MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM WHAT HE MEANT BEFORE YOU RAN OFF AT THE FINGERS. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
"Are you going to pin these events on a race of people rather than the government (leader) who caused it to happen? There are empires that were built by leaders who craved power, were greedy, lustful, etc. These properties of a human can drive them into a different way of thinking, seperate from the "average" person who he has control over."
I PIN THESE EVENTS ON ALL WHO ENDORSED IT. YES, THERE ARE EMPIRES WHO WERE BUILT BY LEADERS WHO CRAVED POWER, WERE GREEDY, LUSTFUL ETC. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE FROM EURO/CAUCUS ORIGIN. WHY IS IT THAT THE MAJORITY OF "SICK" LEADERS AND RULERS WERE EURO/CAUCUS?
"You can not hold a race of humans responsible for what few did. askG made a reference to Bush but doesn't know of the minority population who are actually doing the destruction along with "white" people under him."
NO ONE IS IMPLYING THAT A RACE OF HUMANS SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. PLEASE SEE THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT IRISH AND RUSSIANS.
I disagree and your statement is up for debate.
"and i was using the example of blacks causing poverty as an example of how riduculous yours, and askg's, points of lumping white people together was."
Your example was ridiculous and I seriously doubt it was based on statements made by askg or myself. I'm not saying "all whites are bad" or "all whites are pedophile cracker devils". I don't believe askg implied that either. Instead of making ridiculous statements why didn't you ask him to explain himself? That's something ***NONE*** of you have done.
@Nitro you said:
"Thats all correct but number two doesn't just happen. People teach and practice racism every day, but one doesn't just accept it because it's there or it sounds interesting (not saying it never does)."
No one is implying that number two just "happens". Number two happens by CHOICE.
"I believe that white people accept racism because of their expierences with those who they are eventually prejudice against. Remy may have accepted it, but it was based on how black people at that school treated him. Look how he acted when those Nazi's brought him in, he was scared, confused, and wasn't really down for the cause."
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE MENTALITY OF COUNTRY HICKS WHO'VE NEVER TRAVELED FROM THE WOODS YET THEY HATE NIGGERS? MOST PEOPLE WHO ACCEPT RACISM DON'T DO IT FROM EXPERIENCES. THEY ACCEPT RACISM BECAUSE OF FEAR, LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND SEVERAL OTHER ISSUES. I LIKE HOW YOU COVER FOR WHITE PEOPLE AND FIND AN EXCUSE FOR THE WAY THE RACIST ONES BEHAVE. SPLENDID! LETS SAY ASKG HAS RACIST VIEWS. ARE THOSE VIEWS BASED ON EXPERIENCES?
"Then more shit happened to him, and he built up this hatred for those who he believed were doing him wrong, black people."
SEVERAL PEOPLE DID HIM WRONG IN THAT MOVIE NOT JUST BLACKS.
YOU SAID: "I said: "Saying that all white people are materialistic devils.."He said: "that the trendy materialistic devils of america want"
HOW DOES "TRENDY MATERIALISTIC DEVILS OF AMERICA" IMPLY "ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE MATERIALISTIC DEVILS"? HOW DO YOU PULL ***ALL*** FROM THAT STATEMENT?
YOU SAID:" I said: "who hunt down non-whites like Ice-T" "He said: "it seems anyone is fair game in this real game of surival...much like those mofos hunt down ice t in that one movie..."Much like those mofos that hunt down Ice-T in that movie... Heresy, he said "much like" that movie."
WHEN HE SAID "MUCH LIKE THAT MOVIE" HE COMPARED THE MOVIE TO *REALITY*. HE MADE *NO* INDICATION OF COLOR/RACE BUT COMPARED "THIS REAL GAME OF SURVIVAL" WITH THE MOVIE. IF "ANYONE IS FAIR GAME" WHY SHOULD BEING NONWHITE MATTER?
"what are the details of that movie, a bunch of white guys hunting down a black man? Come on now. I understand that we interpret his post differently, but this shit is obvious to me."
YES, A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS ARE HUNTING DOWN A BLACK MAN (IT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN REAL LIFE) BUT HE SAID *ANYONE* IS FAIR GAME. *ANYONE* CAN CONSIST OF WHO? IS ANYONE LIMITED TO NONWHITE'S?
"That all goes together if you ask me (and probably anyone else on this board)."
WELL, I'M ON THE BOARD AND I DON'T SEE HOW YOU COULD MAKE IT SEEM RACIST. IF ANYTHING MATERIALISTIC DEVILS COULD IMPLY BUSH. DIDN'T HE MENTION BUSH AND HOW AMERICA TAKES WHAT IT WANT'S?
"He did not use racial slurs,"
SO WHY WOULD YOU USE THAT ANALOGY WITH ME WHEN THE TWO ARE DIFFERENT?
"but the fact that he pointed the finger at "white" people makes it extremely racist."
I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH HIM POINTING THE FINGER AT WHITE PEOPLE. WHO ARE IN CHARGE? WHO ARE THE CULPRITS? IF HE IS POINTING THE FINGER AT *EVERY SINGLE WHITE PERSON* HE IS WRONG.
"What does skin color have to do with the will to cause destruction?"
HONESTLY I BELIEVE GENETICS (NOT SKIN COLOR) HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. THIS IS SIMPLY AN *OPINION* OF MINE AND WOULD TAKE MANY POSTS TO EXPLAIN.
"There is no point in highlighting every destructive event in history that people with "white" skin were behind."
I BELIEVE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. MANY CRIMES PEOPLE WITH "WHITE" SKIN HAVE COMMITTED HAVE NEVER BEEN DOCUMENTED OR REPORTED. BESIDES WHEN IT IS HIGHLIGHTED PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF WILL FIND SOME WAY TO "SWEEP IT UNDER THE RUG".
"To use such useless information and stereotype white people based upon this information is extremely racist, and if you don't see this, then I honestly think you are a prime example of the very blind racism you talk about."
WHY DO YOU CONSIDER THE INFO USELESS? PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAID IN A PREVIOUS POST:"SHOULD ONE BLAME RUSSIANS FOR WHAT THE IRISH DO? NO. BLAME THE RUSSIANS WHO DID IT"
"The fact that you defend him and the things he said prove this to me."
SEE THE ABOVE.
"I have come to grips with everything people of "white" skin have done in the past, I just don't see the need to emphasise it and stereotype "white" people as a whole based on it."
I SERIOUSLY DOUBT YOU'VE COME TO GRIPS WITH EVERYTHING PEOPLE OF WHITE SKIN HAVE DONE IN THE PAST. YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE OF WHITE SKIN HAVE DONE. I SEE THE NEED TO ADDRESS IT BUT I HAVE YET TO SEE ANYONE STEREOTYPE WHITE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE. NOT ONE PERSON HAS IMPLIED ALL WHITES DO THIS OR ALL WHITES HAVE DONE THAT.
"What he has done here is *no different* then me studying the history of terrorist networks, and then labeling everyone of middle-eastern decent a terrorist."
THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB YOU AREN'T A PART OF THE AMERICAN MEDIA. I'VE YET TO SEE HIM SAY "ALL WHITES" OR EVEN IMPLY "ALL WHITES".
"If he made the same post with evidence and support that having white skin is relevant to destruction, then I would have looked at it differently."
I'M NOT SO CONCERNED WITH "SKIN". SKIN CAN BE DETERMINED BY CLIMATE. I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH GENETIC MAKE-UP OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR RACE.
"But given his previous posts, where he called white people evil, I would have to say he is not interested in teaching anyone anything useful or positive."
CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO PREVIOUS POSTS WHERE HE CALLED ALL WHITE PEOPLE EVIL? *HUMANS* ARE EVIL. DOES THAT MEAN ALL HUMANS STRIVE TO BE EVIL? NO. YOU HAD WHITE PEOPLE WALKING WITH DR. KING AND WERE ALSO BEATEN AND JAILED WITH HIM. YOU HAD WHITE MUSLIMS WORSHIPPING AT MECCA WITH MALCOLM-X. INSTEAD OF EVERYONE BASHING HIM SOME OF YOU (WHO FEEL YOU'RE SUPERIOR) SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.
"I am not denying any of this. My point is, does this mean *anything* more than just a fucked up useless statistic on paper? Is this more than just a coincidence? If you *don't know* you shouldn't be agreeing with him in the first place. And if you think there is something to this, that maybe the color of ones skin is relevant to the destruction he causes, then let me hear your theory. What is the significance of skin color and the destruction one causes bearing the 3 different racial colors (as catagorized by scientists)?"
IF YOU AREN'T DENYING ANY OF WHAT I SAID WHY ARE YOU ASKING QUESTIONS? THE SIGNIFICANCE OF SKIN COLOR IS NOT WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. GENETIC MAKE-UP *MIGHT* BE LINKED TO THIS DESTRUCTION BUT ONCE AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION AND WOULD TAKE MANY POSTS TO EXPLAIN. IF I DON'T KNOW I SHOULDN'T AGREE WITH HIM? MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM WHAT HE MEANT BEFORE YOU RAN OFF AT THE FINGERS. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?
"Are you going to pin these events on a race of people rather than the government (leader) who caused it to happen? There are empires that were built by leaders who craved power, were greedy, lustful, etc. These properties of a human can drive them into a different way of thinking, seperate from the "average" person who he has control over."
I PIN THESE EVENTS ON ALL WHO ENDORSED IT. YES, THERE ARE EMPIRES WHO WERE BUILT BY LEADERS WHO CRAVED POWER, WERE GREEDY, LUSTFUL ETC. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE FROM EURO/CAUCUS ORIGIN. WHY IS IT THAT THE MAJORITY OF "SICK" LEADERS AND RULERS WERE EURO/CAUCUS?
"You can not hold a race of humans responsible for what few did. askG made a reference to Bush but doesn't know of the minority population who are actually doing the destruction along with "white" people under him."
NO ONE IS IMPLYING THAT A RACE OF HUMANS SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. PLEASE SEE THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT IRISH AND RUSSIANS.
NITRO BEFORE I CONTINUE WITH PART TWO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ADDRESS SOMETHING YOU FAILED TO ADDRESS IN THE OTHER POST. YOU SAID:
"Your an outsider trying to say what is or isn't hate speech, and it's not working at all."
NO I'M NOT AN OUTSIDER. WHEN YOU ADDRESS PROBLEMS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY ARE YOU AN OUTSIDER? YOU'RE NOT BLACK SHOULD YOU ADDRESS CERTAIN PROBLEMS? BECAUSE I'M NOT WHITE AND THE COMMENT WASN'T DIRECTED TOWARDS PEOPLE OF MY RACE THAT PROHIBITS ME FROM MAKING A POST? *YOU'RE* THE ONE WHO IS TRYING TO SAY WHAT IS AND ISN'T HATE SPEECH AND IN DOING SO YOU ***TWISTED*** WHAT THE MAN SAID.
CAN YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN YOUR STATEMENT? HOW AM I AN OUTSIDER?
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PART 2
"HERESY if someone was brainwashed to believe something, then acted on it, would you blame him?"
I WOULD BLAME THE PERSON WHO IS BRAINWASHED AND THE PERSON WHO DID THE BRAINWASHING. CHARLES MANSON IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. DID HE ACTUALLY KILL THOSE PEOPLE AND WRITE PIG ALL OVER THE WALL?
"If you do not blame him, then you should be targeting Hitler, not Germany or "white" people; Musolinni not Italy or "white" people etc. etc. etc."
SEE THE ABOVE.
"Assessments should be made by a quality of a race that is consistant with everyone who makes up that race, not by few of them in the spotlight who lead an invasion or cause some sort of destruction. White people in the United States, from the beginning of slavery to recent history is something you could go on, because for the most part, it was consistant with *all* whites, that they enslave and inflict harm upon African Americans."
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NOT SEEN EVIDENCE OF STEREOTYPING AND RACISM.
"Yes askG did stereotype groups as both "evil" and "materialistic devil predators". If you want to find his "evil" quote, you can check out the "white racism.." thread started by WHITE DEVIL. His statement in the thread was "ill jus say white ppl are evil". Know that, and re-read this post and maybe you might see the racism."
I WILL LOOK INTO THE WHITE RACISM THREAD AGAIN. IF I'M NOT MISTAKING I FOUND MORE RACIST GENERALIZATIONS FROM WHITE DEVIL THEN ANYONE ELSE. I DON'T SEE HOW "MATERIALISTIC DEVIL PREDATORS" IS STEREOTYPING A GROUP.
"I read what he posted; racism, provocation, prejudice, and stereotyping. I read what I posted; a *reaction* to such prejudices."
LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
1. DO YOU FEEL "JUSTIFIED" IN YOUR REACTION? BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN RACIST AND PROVOKING DOES THAT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU DID?
2. DO YOU RECALL PAST CONVO'S WITH YOURSELF, TENK AND MYSELF? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW AND WHY BLACKS REACT IN A CERTAIN WAY? NOW DO YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE REACTING TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS FORCED UPON THEM?
"History books? I have to assume that you are saying my reaction is similar (but less potent and powerful) to those of "white" skinned people who caused destruction."
NO NOT AT ALL. SEE#2 AND GET BACK WITH ME.
"But I got just one question for you, who said this:"..and I am going to tape the beating" "
OH THAT'S AN EASY ONE. RODNEY KING.
"Now read a history book."
I WILL START READING ONE MONDAY BECAUSE I'LL HAVE FREE TIME. IT'S CALLED THE DESTRUCTION OF AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS. I'LL ALSO BE READING A BOOK ON EMMETT TILL.
HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.
:HGK:
"Your an outsider trying to say what is or isn't hate speech, and it's not working at all."
NO I'M NOT AN OUTSIDER. WHEN YOU ADDRESS PROBLEMS IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY ARE YOU AN OUTSIDER? YOU'RE NOT BLACK SHOULD YOU ADDRESS CERTAIN PROBLEMS? BECAUSE I'M NOT WHITE AND THE COMMENT WASN'T DIRECTED TOWARDS PEOPLE OF MY RACE THAT PROHIBITS ME FROM MAKING A POST? *YOU'RE* THE ONE WHO IS TRYING TO SAY WHAT IS AND ISN'T HATE SPEECH AND IN DOING SO YOU ***TWISTED*** WHAT THE MAN SAID.
CAN YOU ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN YOUR STATEMENT? HOW AM I AN OUTSIDER?
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PART 2
"HERESY if someone was brainwashed to believe something, then acted on it, would you blame him?"
I WOULD BLAME THE PERSON WHO IS BRAINWASHED AND THE PERSON WHO DID THE BRAINWASHING. CHARLES MANSON IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. DID HE ACTUALLY KILL THOSE PEOPLE AND WRITE PIG ALL OVER THE WALL?
"If you do not blame him, then you should be targeting Hitler, not Germany or "white" people; Musolinni not Italy or "white" people etc. etc. etc."
SEE THE ABOVE.
"Assessments should be made by a quality of a race that is consistant with everyone who makes up that race, not by few of them in the spotlight who lead an invasion or cause some sort of destruction. White people in the United States, from the beginning of slavery to recent history is something you could go on, because for the most part, it was consistant with *all* whites, that they enslave and inflict harm upon African Americans."
ONCE AGAIN I HAVE NOT SEEN EVIDENCE OF STEREOTYPING AND RACISM.
"Yes askG did stereotype groups as both "evil" and "materialistic devil predators". If you want to find his "evil" quote, you can check out the "white racism.." thread started by WHITE DEVIL. His statement in the thread was "ill jus say white ppl are evil". Know that, and re-read this post and maybe you might see the racism."
I WILL LOOK INTO THE WHITE RACISM THREAD AGAIN. IF I'M NOT MISTAKING I FOUND MORE RACIST GENERALIZATIONS FROM WHITE DEVIL THEN ANYONE ELSE. I DON'T SEE HOW "MATERIALISTIC DEVIL PREDATORS" IS STEREOTYPING A GROUP.
"I read what he posted; racism, provocation, prejudice, and stereotyping. I read what I posted; a *reaction* to such prejudices."
LET ME ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
1. DO YOU FEEL "JUSTIFIED" IN YOUR REACTION? BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE BEEN RACIST AND PROVOKING DOES THAT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU DID?
2. DO YOU RECALL PAST CONVO'S WITH YOURSELF, TENK AND MYSELF? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW AND WHY BLACKS REACT IN A CERTAIN WAY? NOW DO YOU SEE THAT THEY ARE REACTING TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS FORCED UPON THEM?
"History books? I have to assume that you are saying my reaction is similar (but less potent and powerful) to those of "white" skinned people who caused destruction."
NO NOT AT ALL. SEE#2 AND GET BACK WITH ME.
"But I got just one question for you, who said this:"..and I am going to tape the beating" "
OH THAT'S AN EASY ONE. RODNEY KING.
"Now read a history book."
I WILL START READING ONE MONDAY BECAUSE I'LL HAVE FREE TIME. IT'S CALLED THE DESTRUCTION OF AFRICAN CIVILIZATIONS. I'LL ALSO BE READING A BOOK ON EMMETT TILL.
HAVE A NICE WEEKEND.
:HGK:
Okay, I usually discard statements that are irrelevant, agreed with, or uneccessary -- or I read them and agree to disagree. I read through this the first time and it didn't really say much, but after a second read, I understand what you are asking me. Am I an outsider and should I be addressing problems in the black community? I would say no and yes. No I am not an outsider because I involve myself with black and white race relations specifically, and address what I understand to be, based on thorough discussions, reading, and expierences. I feel I should be addressing them because I can offer a different perspective; I may be on the other side of the fence, but I am not an outsider. To be perfectly honest, one of my major beliefs is that for the African American culture to rise peacefully, it must invlove both white and black people of the same mentality, but that is an entirely different subject that I will not address at this time. What I am talking about here is you acting as if you know how white people take this post, and how it affects them. When something offends a person of white skin, how is it that you, a "black" man, would know? I don't tell people how African Americans are mentally affected by present day racism or prejudices, because I havent the slightest idea how different people take such judgments. If I have done so, let me be the first to apologize, I am sorry. For the record, I don't think that I twisted his words, I took bold fragments from his post and put them together in a sentence that summed it all up.
He said that he thinks white people are the curse of humanity.
He said that white people are predators to anyone with something of value.
How can you not see racism in that? Here maybe I can help you since some people can only see things from one direction. If I asked the question, "Are Africcan Americans the curse of a civilized peaceful people?", then followed it up by pointing out that black people are drug dealers, car theives, bank robbers etc. Would you think I was stereotyping or being racist? It is the same thing. I would be taking just a fraction of culture, taking the negative from it and basing assumptions on the entire race. It is wrong any way you look at it and I think the two instances are very similar.
Who did he refer to as "materialistic devil predators"? Was it "white" leaders, "white" business owners, Europeans, Austrians, "white" people in poverty? ..or was it just "white" people? For him *not* to be stereotyping, myself, WHITE DEVIL, the pope, the creators of this message board, and every other white person in the world would have to be a materialistic devil predator, but they are not.
No I do not feel justified. But it seems that if a white person is being racist on this message board, people jump all over it -- but if it is the other way around, people are praising it? I can't let that shit ride. Reverse racism (hypocrisy) is something that angers me. It's one thing for a man to point the finger at a racist, but it's another for a racist to point the finger at another.
YES.
ROTFL!~ NO.
He said that he thinks white people are the curse of humanity.
He said that white people are predators to anyone with something of value.
How can you not see racism in that? Here maybe I can help you since some people can only see things from one direction. If I asked the question, "Are Africcan Americans the curse of a civilized peaceful people?", then followed it up by pointing out that black people are drug dealers, car theives, bank robbers etc. Would you think I was stereotyping or being racist? It is the same thing. I would be taking just a fraction of culture, taking the negative from it and basing assumptions on the entire race. It is wrong any way you look at it and I think the two instances are very similar.
Who did he refer to as "materialistic devil predators"? Was it "white" leaders, "white" business owners, Europeans, Austrians, "white" people in poverty? ..or was it just "white" people? For him *not* to be stereotyping, myself, WHITE DEVIL, the pope, the creators of this message board, and every other white person in the world would have to be a materialistic devil predator, but they are not.
No I do not feel justified. But it seems that if a white person is being racist on this message board, people jump all over it -- but if it is the other way around, people are praising it? I can't let that shit ride. Reverse racism (hypocrisy) is something that angers me. It's one thing for a man to point the finger at a racist, but it's another for a racist to point the finger at another.
YES.
ROTFL!~ NO.
whites came and conquered america...they killed their way to the top...they cheated their way to the top...they raped their way to the top...you name it, they did it...politics made them kings...these are the united states of america...its the best country so ppl migrate to it, foreigners and blacks are accepted and they get citizenship...racism dies, (yeah in the open, majority of ppl got some type of stereotypical beliefs one way or another. ) now we got a country "pioonered" by whites...every other race should now be thankful for being allowed the priviledge to live here. and ppl eat it up, so now they indulge in that AMERICAN lifestyle...all different races live the american life. A life still controlled by whites in politics. Still altered by whites in politics.
At the expense of EVERYONE (ie "anyone").
all different races now indulged in an american lyfestyle fueled by greed and corruption...the popular kids on rodeo want the new clothes made by kids and women overseas for cheap pay..."oh they got kids making these pants?, oh but they make my butt look soo cute". that just an example...AMERICANS meaning all races now so out of touch w the rest of the world, with the rest of humanity, that theyr happy with their beer, with their climbing gas prices, with their "presidents" stealing elections...a government fueled by a white sense of supremacy in the world of politics, in the world of money, in the world of power and dominance.
You push a herd of sheep to the box, chances are those sheep will walk the way you want it, how you want it to walk, and by the end of the day, youll have that sheep jumping and that sheep will be asking you "HOW HIGH YOU IMPERIAL MASTERS"...its all a matter of having control.
A control that is at the hands of WHITES, at the back of MOST WHITES and various other races' minds, which are now americaNIZED to the point of losing touch with their roots...All this started by whites at the expense of minorities...whites who are non-racist, or non-prejudiced, or non- stereotypical are now a minority along with various other "minority" groups...they cant just call us motherfuckers something else than a degrading word like MINORity...we are the few, we are the still the little guys...and everytime an "african" american such as colin powell is mentioned, people are glad and point that out as showing that "minoritys" are now welcome...theres something they didnt tell you...colin powell is now white, a funny thing happened to powell in life, he was blinded by the light the KINgs shone upon him...hes now a conspirator to murder...how quick before powell would agree as an american to a strike on africans in africa for some materialistic reason, for a well they found ,it shoots diamonds from the ground they say thousands of them, they just tell you that the head of some tribe talked to bin laden one day and he may have a few hand grenades and AKs and they may be used against americans, colin powell thinks real hard maybe because he feels "connected" he feels racism and feels guilty about manipulating the public at the expense of ppl that are his distant brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers, but its the life he chose, he chose to follow that light to the top...but hes on top, so does it really matter?
does it really matter to lure ppl into this country, this counry wun by whites, created by whites, made for whites to live in, now turning foreigners into whites because essentially we live like americans...we now dont care what happens in mexico, in colombia in freakin antarctica...we now kill each other, we now smoke to death, we now fuck to death, we now we now drink to death, we now OD to death in this way of life pushed upon us AMERICANS BY WHITES.
Today we group poor ppl as minoritys because here they are the minority, anbd everything else outside of the US is the minority because we live in our own world...even POOR WHITES are the minority, and it dont matter if they live in kentucky or they live in compton, theyre poor.
a world exploited by whites, a master plan ingeniusly woven by whites, a world all of humanity now lives in.
i look at the greater picture... my opinions, im not racist, i just observe things ya digs...and this wasnt for attention...i dont always post these things but lately ive been looking at the bigger grand scale, and when i said "ILL JUST SAY ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL", it was a joke if you didnt see it that way, oh well, tough shit...so i didnt put a little smiley face next to it. this is the last thread of this kind i will start simply because it was a thought that came across my head and its a thought that are backed by facts...i dont go around making threads to antagonize ppl...i might say a smart ass remark now and then but thats just me, its funny to me...i dont go out of my way to post to insult, i made this thread because its an opinion i had at the moment and its a opinion i still have which i thought would be a good discussion to have in the gathering of minds, were we all loves to express our opinions and read others as well, i knw i enjoy reading the views that are different from mined, because thats what this forum is about.
what the fuck, you want a moderator to not let one of its own memebers post his/her thoughts, because it will make some ppl mad?!?!? THIS IS AMERICA AND AS AN AMERICAN DONT I HAVE THE VOICE TO EXPRESS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH RIGHTS...this isnt the public media, this isnt your dads CNN... dont cut out the truth fom reaching the masses...the masses, that are infected by the siccness (plug)*insert siccness mask logo*
i came in on my magic dragon and i lost him along the way...thats the last time i post that much shit...because im not doing this shit for you to attend to my ADD...lmao.
At the expense of EVERYONE (ie "anyone").
all different races now indulged in an american lyfestyle fueled by greed and corruption...the popular kids on rodeo want the new clothes made by kids and women overseas for cheap pay..."oh they got kids making these pants?, oh but they make my butt look soo cute". that just an example...AMERICANS meaning all races now so out of touch w the rest of the world, with the rest of humanity, that theyr happy with their beer, with their climbing gas prices, with their "presidents" stealing elections...a government fueled by a white sense of supremacy in the world of politics, in the world of money, in the world of power and dominance.
You push a herd of sheep to the box, chances are those sheep will walk the way you want it, how you want it to walk, and by the end of the day, youll have that sheep jumping and that sheep will be asking you "HOW HIGH YOU IMPERIAL MASTERS"...its all a matter of having control.
A control that is at the hands of WHITES, at the back of MOST WHITES and various other races' minds, which are now americaNIZED to the point of losing touch with their roots...All this started by whites at the expense of minorities...whites who are non-racist, or non-prejudiced, or non- stereotypical are now a minority along with various other "minority" groups...they cant just call us motherfuckers something else than a degrading word like MINORity...we are the few, we are the still the little guys...and everytime an "african" american such as colin powell is mentioned, people are glad and point that out as showing that "minoritys" are now welcome...theres something they didnt tell you...colin powell is now white, a funny thing happened to powell in life, he was blinded by the light the KINgs shone upon him...hes now a conspirator to murder...how quick before powell would agree as an american to a strike on africans in africa for some materialistic reason, for a well they found ,it shoots diamonds from the ground they say thousands of them, they just tell you that the head of some tribe talked to bin laden one day and he may have a few hand grenades and AKs and they may be used against americans, colin powell thinks real hard maybe because he feels "connected" he feels racism and feels guilty about manipulating the public at the expense of ppl that are his distant brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers, but its the life he chose, he chose to follow that light to the top...but hes on top, so does it really matter?
does it really matter to lure ppl into this country, this counry wun by whites, created by whites, made for whites to live in, now turning foreigners into whites because essentially we live like americans...we now dont care what happens in mexico, in colombia in freakin antarctica...we now kill each other, we now smoke to death, we now fuck to death, we now we now drink to death, we now OD to death in this way of life pushed upon us AMERICANS BY WHITES.
Today we group poor ppl as minoritys because here they are the minority, anbd everything else outside of the US is the minority because we live in our own world...even POOR WHITES are the minority, and it dont matter if they live in kentucky or they live in compton, theyre poor.
a world exploited by whites, a master plan ingeniusly woven by whites, a world all of humanity now lives in.
i look at the greater picture... my opinions, im not racist, i just observe things ya digs...and this wasnt for attention...i dont always post these things but lately ive been looking at the bigger grand scale, and when i said "ILL JUST SAY ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE EVIL", it was a joke if you didnt see it that way, oh well, tough shit...so i didnt put a little smiley face next to it. this is the last thread of this kind i will start simply because it was a thought that came across my head and its a thought that are backed by facts...i dont go around making threads to antagonize ppl...i might say a smart ass remark now and then but thats just me, its funny to me...i dont go out of my way to post to insult, i made this thread because its an opinion i had at the moment and its a opinion i still have which i thought would be a good discussion to have in the gathering of minds, were we all loves to express our opinions and read others as well, i knw i enjoy reading the views that are different from mined, because thats what this forum is about.
what the fuck, you want a moderator to not let one of its own memebers post his/her thoughts, because it will make some ppl mad?!?!? THIS IS AMERICA AND AS AN AMERICAN DONT I HAVE THE VOICE TO EXPRESS MY FREEDOM OF SPEECH RIGHTS...this isnt the public media, this isnt your dads CNN... dont cut out the truth fom reaching the masses...the masses, that are infected by the siccness (plug)*insert siccness mask logo*
i came in on my magic dragon and i lost him along the way...thats the last time i post that much shit...because im not doing this shit for you to attend to my ADD...lmao.
Whites have:
1. Killed
2. Pilfered
3. Destroyed
4. Raped
5. Stolen
6. Murdered
7. Backstabbed, cheated, swindled
People from every continent and area in the world. Aborigines in Australia. 250,000 Filipinos murdered for purposes of "civilization". Wars started because people rejected narcotics. (Opium War) Exploitation of African resources. Murder and slave trade of African people. Wholesale slaughter of Native Americans, etc.
But we're also responsible for medical technology, advances in people's rights, cultural appreciation, bla bla left and right. I think spiritually whites are somewhat evil, but we also were the first ever to have the technology to make the type of pan-global interactions that we did. Had Africa or North America been as learned and interconnected as Europe in a gestalt sense, who knows what would've happened? It could have been more peaceful, it could have been worse.
But hindsight is always 20/20. Anyone can sit here and make armchair judgements about the ultimate morality or immorality of Whites, but it matters little in reference to today.
1. Killed
2. Pilfered
3. Destroyed
4. Raped
5. Stolen
6. Murdered
7. Backstabbed, cheated, swindled
People from every continent and area in the world. Aborigines in Australia. 250,000 Filipinos murdered for purposes of "civilization". Wars started because people rejected narcotics. (Opium War) Exploitation of African resources. Murder and slave trade of African people. Wholesale slaughter of Native Americans, etc.
But we're also responsible for medical technology, advances in people's rights, cultural appreciation, bla bla left and right. I think spiritually whites are somewhat evil, but we also were the first ever to have the technology to make the type of pan-global interactions that we did. Had Africa or North America been as learned and interconnected as Europe in a gestalt sense, who knows what would've happened? It could have been more peaceful, it could have been worse.
But hindsight is always 20/20. Anyone can sit here and make armchair judgements about the ultimate morality or immorality of Whites, but it matters little in reference to today.
You have managed to do two things with this paragraph.
1. Take all of the atrocious historical events of this world, pick out the ones where people of white skin were involved, emphasise it like it's isolated (only whites committing such acts), and ask if it means "whites" are a curse. Whites did not kill and rape their way to the top; I know this because I see innocent whites still at the bottom. Of course, you can't explain that, so I won't ask. If one out of every 50 white people were gay, would you say that white people were gay? No because it is a stereo type. askG do you think that blacks are the curse of peace? Look at the prisons of this country, how they are filled with Africans; committing crimes against anyone with anything of value to rob, are they a curse? askG...
2. Through this paragraph you managed to explain that America is run and controlled by white people. Right now I'm trying to figure out why that matters. White people run and control... white people run and control.... yeah man, it just doesn't mean shit to me. Just like it doesn't mean shit to me that Chinese people run China, Japanese people run Japan, and Europeans (whites) run America.
What are Americans supposed to do? Americans don't care that there are people over seas making their clothes for cheap; can you tell me a list of countries that do care and have done something about it with their civilian population? Can you tell me why it matters even in the slightest way that the average American does not worry himself over the standards of living over seas? Can you tell me what *YOU* have done differently then the average American? Have you gone overseas to protest these events, have you wrote to our congress your cares and concerns, what have you done that enables you to say these things about Americans? I am happy with my beer, pissed at the gas prices, and completely careless of who our president is (doesn't seem to fit with your assumptions).
1. You keep pointing out that whites are in control, but you have yet to touch on why that matters. Just tell me why it is a problem that *all* "yellow" people are in control of China, then maybe I will understand your point.
2. You talk about minorities losing touch with their roots by becoming Americanized. If an oppressed race (in touch with their roots) wants to be accepted at a "white" level in America, wouldn't he have to come out of touch with his roots? Is this "white" peoples problem that a minority chooses to leave his roots for something "better"? People are migrating from everywhere into America, it is not our fault they love this country and want to give up everything to live here. If you forgot your roots, left them behind, chose to embrace them, then that is your own decision. That is not something that you can blame white people for.
1. We lure people into this country by shutting down the borders..? Okay..
2. China was created by yellows, run by yellows, for yellows to live in.. blah blah.
3. We don't care what happens to Mexico or Columbia, wow, great point. One thing, though. Does Mexico or Columbia care about us? Do they care about each other? Can you provide me with a list of world countries who care about Mexico more than we do. Can you prove that our (not gov.) care for world countries is so much less than other countries, so as for you to make mention of it on this message board? You say we don't care.. who the fuck does askG?
1. No I don't digs, because if you were observing "things" maybe you would have mentioned the thousands of inventions, cures, and offerings that white poeple have provided for their country.
2. YOU STATED IN THIS PART THAT YOUR THREAD WAS BACKED BY FACTS YET I HAVE READ NOT A SINGLE ONE. WHY IS THAT? SO PROVE TO ME AND THE REST OF THIS BOARD THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE. SHOW ME CONCLUSIVE FACTS AND EVIDENCE THAT SHOW "WHITE" SKIN HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DESTRUCTION CAUSED IN OUR HISTORY. DO THIS AND I WILL ERASE ALL MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD AND APOLOGIZE.
You claim you have backed this thread up with facts but the truth of it is, you have not stated one single solitary fact to back up your claim, and thats why I'm here.
3. You don't go around making threads to antagonize people yet the only 3 threads that I can remember seeing you create are 1. White people stealing culture. 2. White people are evil. 3. White people are humanity's curse. Hmmm... do you see a pattern here askG? You're not trying to antagonize anyone, but the evidence is not in your favor. There are many more race specific things to talk about concerning blacks, browns, and yellows.. but not a peep from you.
See you are a hypocrite, you say all this shit about America, how evil it is, how much bloodshed is on her hands, but at the end of the day you're claiming to be an American wanting your muther fucking free speech rights. That shit is typical though, I would expect nothing less. And for the record, If you want to reject everything America stands for, then I would say *NO* you don't have freedom of speech. That is my opinion.
Learn a little more about history then post.
1. Take all of the atrocious historical events of this world, pick out the ones where people of white skin were involved, emphasise it like it's isolated (only whites committing such acts), and ask if it means "whites" are a curse. Whites did not kill and rape their way to the top; I know this because I see innocent whites still at the bottom. Of course, you can't explain that, so I won't ask. If one out of every 50 white people were gay, would you say that white people were gay? No because it is a stereo type. askG do you think that blacks are the curse of peace? Look at the prisons of this country, how they are filled with Africans; committing crimes against anyone with anything of value to rob, are they a curse? askG...
2. Through this paragraph you managed to explain that America is run and controlled by white people. Right now I'm trying to figure out why that matters. White people run and control... white people run and control.... yeah man, it just doesn't mean shit to me. Just like it doesn't mean shit to me that Chinese people run China, Japanese people run Japan, and Europeans (whites) run America.
What are Americans supposed to do? Americans don't care that there are people over seas making their clothes for cheap; can you tell me a list of countries that do care and have done something about it with their civilian population? Can you tell me why it matters even in the slightest way that the average American does not worry himself over the standards of living over seas? Can you tell me what *YOU* have done differently then the average American? Have you gone overseas to protest these events, have you wrote to our congress your cares and concerns, what have you done that enables you to say these things about Americans? I am happy with my beer, pissed at the gas prices, and completely careless of who our president is (doesn't seem to fit with your assumptions).
1. You keep pointing out that whites are in control, but you have yet to touch on why that matters. Just tell me why it is a problem that *all* "yellow" people are in control of China, then maybe I will understand your point.
2. You talk about minorities losing touch with their roots by becoming Americanized. If an oppressed race (in touch with their roots) wants to be accepted at a "white" level in America, wouldn't he have to come out of touch with his roots? Is this "white" peoples problem that a minority chooses to leave his roots for something "better"? People are migrating from everywhere into America, it is not our fault they love this country and want to give up everything to live here. If you forgot your roots, left them behind, chose to embrace them, then that is your own decision. That is not something that you can blame white people for.
1. We lure people into this country by shutting down the borders..? Okay..
2. China was created by yellows, run by yellows, for yellows to live in.. blah blah.
3. We don't care what happens to Mexico or Columbia, wow, great point. One thing, though. Does Mexico or Columbia care about us? Do they care about each other? Can you provide me with a list of world countries who care about Mexico more than we do. Can you prove that our (not gov.) care for world countries is so much less than other countries, so as for you to make mention of it on this message board? You say we don't care.. who the fuck does askG?
1. No I don't digs, because if you were observing "things" maybe you would have mentioned the thousands of inventions, cures, and offerings that white poeple have provided for their country.
2. YOU STATED IN THIS PART THAT YOUR THREAD WAS BACKED BY FACTS YET I HAVE READ NOT A SINGLE ONE. WHY IS THAT? SO PROVE TO ME AND THE REST OF THIS BOARD THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE. SHOW ME CONCLUSIVE FACTS AND EVIDENCE THAT SHOW "WHITE" SKIN HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE DESTRUCTION CAUSED IN OUR HISTORY. DO THIS AND I WILL ERASE ALL MY POSTS IN THIS THREAD AND APOLOGIZE.
You claim you have backed this thread up with facts but the truth of it is, you have not stated one single solitary fact to back up your claim, and thats why I'm here.
3. You don't go around making threads to antagonize people yet the only 3 threads that I can remember seeing you create are 1. White people stealing culture. 2. White people are evil. 3. White people are humanity's curse. Hmmm... do you see a pattern here askG? You're not trying to antagonize anyone, but the evidence is not in your favor. There are many more race specific things to talk about concerning blacks, browns, and yellows.. but not a peep from you.
See you are a hypocrite, you say all this shit about America, how evil it is, how much bloodshed is on her hands, but at the end of the day you're claiming to be an American wanting your muther fucking free speech rights. That shit is typical though, I would expect nothing less. And for the record, If you want to reject everything America stands for, then I would say *NO* you don't have freedom of speech. That is my opinion.
Learn a little more about history then post.
out of my 500umpteenth posts ive made you point out 3 that "antagonize" ppl?...come on...i post shit thats on my mind...i dont care wether ppl respond to it or not...i put it up there and let the flys come.
also you say its typical for ppl to criticize certain aspects of this country then turn around and scream out rights and freedom and all this but i live here i was born here and while i have citizenship i think i also have a voice in the country i live in...just because i live here doesnt mean i have to agree w everything this country does.
also you say its typical for ppl to criticize certain aspects of this country then turn around and scream out rights and freedom and all this but i live here i was born here and while i have citizenship i think i also have a voice in the country i live in...just because i live here doesnt mean i have to agree w everything this country does.
We're? A lot of white people say they weren't there when these crimes against humanity were perpetrated, but why is it you say "we?" I didn't know you somehow improved my state of living. Because if you did, and can, then please make an allergy pill better than Tylenol Alergy Sinus, shit doesnt seem to work very well. 
why do you say this? maybe it doesnt matter to you, but many people still feel the effects of such actions done by whites in the past. Just look at the Native Americans. I'm sure they don't care what whites did, they got their land back...sort of....kind of....not really....well they own casinos!
why do you say this? maybe it doesnt matter to you, but many people still feel the effects of such actions done by whites in the past. Just look at the Native Americans. I'm sure they don't care what whites did, they got their land back...sort of....kind of....not really....well they own casinos!
@nitro:
"Am I an outsider and should I be addressing problems in the black community? I would say no and yes. No I am not an outsider because I involve myself with black and white race relations specifically, and address what I understand to be, based on thorough discussions, reading, and expierences. I feel I should be addressing them because I can offer a different perspective; I may be on the other side of the fence, but I am not an outsider."
I agree and have no problem with this.
"To be perfectly honest, one of my major beliefs is that for the African American culture to rise peacefully, it must involve both white and black people of the same mentality, but that is an entirely different subject that I will not address at this time."
O.K.
"What I am talking about here is you acting as if you know how white people take this post, and how it affects them. When something offends a person of white skin, how is it that you, a "black" man, would know?"
No, a better argument would be acting as if I know how white people ***SHOULD*** take this post. I'm NOT saying you're offended and it hasn't affected you. Please read my first two posts. It's possible for a person of my skin color to relate to offensive things a person of your skin color would experience. Can I relate to the exact same thing? In some cases yes in other's no.
"I don't tell people how African Americans are mentally affected by present day racism or prejudices, because I havent the slightest idea how different people take such judgments. If I have done so, let me be the first to apologize, I am sorry."
I accept your apologies. You and several members of this board have done so in the past.
"For the record, I don't think that I twisted his words, I took bold fragments from his post and put them together in a sentence that summed it all up."
I see it a different way. That doesn't make me right doesn't make you wrong.
"He said that he thinks white people are the curse of humanity. He said that white people are predators to anyone with something of value."
As I said before I've yet to see him state "ALL WHITES" or even imply "ALL WHITES". He did not say white people are predators to anyone with something of value. He said "everyones got a bullseye on them if they got something of value that the trendy materialistic devils of america want". So heres the question does "devils" imply white people? If so does it apply to all white people or those who are trendy and materialistic? I believe his comment was directed at a specific group of people not whites as a whole.
"How can you not see racism in that?"
It's easy. How can 12 jurors not see racism in multiple police officers shooting one unarmed man 19 times out of 41?
"Here maybe I can help you since some people can only see things from one direction."
People like who you? I can do without the help.
"If I asked the question, "Are Africcan Americans the curse of a civilized peaceful people?", then followed it up by pointing out that black people are drug dealers, car theives, bank robbers etc. Would you think I was stereotyping or being racist? It is the same thing."
No, I would not think it was stereotyping or racism. Racism IMHO is based more on ACTION/DEED not words and rhetoric. If you pointed out that black people are drug dealers I would ask you a question. Why are they drug dealers? Is the drug dealing connected with the C.I.A, AMERICAN GOVERNMENT (CONTROLLED BY WHITE AMERICA) and FREEWAY RICK? I would ask questions along these lines and not paint the picture of a Klansman. I would also ask you if these behaviors were learned or passed on through genes. I would ask if slavery had an impact on why they were robbing banks, stealing car's, etc., etc., etc. no, I'm not using the ill's of slavery to make an excuse but chances are if slavery never occurred (in america) black people (in america) would:
1. NOT EXIST
2. NOT DEAL DRUGS, STEAL CARS OR ROB BANKS
"I would be taking just a fraction of culture, taking the negative from it and basing assumptions on the entire race. It is wrong any way you look at it and I think the two instances are very similar."
I don't believe he has done this.
"Who did he refer to as "materialistic devil predators"? Was it "white" leaders, "white" business owners, Europeans, Austrians, "white" people in poverty? ..or was it just "white" people? For him *not* to be stereotyping, myself, WHITE DEVIL, the pope, the creators of this message board, and every other white person in the world would have to be a materialistic devil predator, but they are not."
I honestly believe he was making reference to Bush, the government and white people who have no regrets/remorse when it comes to achieving certain goals.
"No I do not feel justified. But it seems that if a white person is being racist on this message board, people jump all over it -- but if it is the other way around, people are praising it?"
When has someone jumped all over it? If I see a white person being "racist" on this board I don't trip. I will direct my attention to those who attempt to shield the racism, sweep it under the rug and down play it.
"I can't let that shit ride. Reverse racism (hypocrisy) is something that angers me. It's one thing for a man to point the finger at a racist, but it's another for a racist to point the finger at another."
Are you angry with yourself? It's another for a racist to point the finger at another yet you made an attempt to justify white racism. How did you do this? You implied they are racist due to experience........
BTW I would ***LOVE*** to answer the questions posed to ASKG but those are his to answers.......
HGK
"Am I an outsider and should I be addressing problems in the black community? I would say no and yes. No I am not an outsider because I involve myself with black and white race relations specifically, and address what I understand to be, based on thorough discussions, reading, and expierences. I feel I should be addressing them because I can offer a different perspective; I may be on the other side of the fence, but I am not an outsider."
I agree and have no problem with this.
"To be perfectly honest, one of my major beliefs is that for the African American culture to rise peacefully, it must involve both white and black people of the same mentality, but that is an entirely different subject that I will not address at this time."
O.K.
"What I am talking about here is you acting as if you know how white people take this post, and how it affects them. When something offends a person of white skin, how is it that you, a "black" man, would know?"
No, a better argument would be acting as if I know how white people ***SHOULD*** take this post. I'm NOT saying you're offended and it hasn't affected you. Please read my first two posts. It's possible for a person of my skin color to relate to offensive things a person of your skin color would experience. Can I relate to the exact same thing? In some cases yes in other's no.
"I don't tell people how African Americans are mentally affected by present day racism or prejudices, because I havent the slightest idea how different people take such judgments. If I have done so, let me be the first to apologize, I am sorry."
I accept your apologies. You and several members of this board have done so in the past.
"For the record, I don't think that I twisted his words, I took bold fragments from his post and put them together in a sentence that summed it all up."
I see it a different way. That doesn't make me right doesn't make you wrong.
"He said that he thinks white people are the curse of humanity. He said that white people are predators to anyone with something of value."
As I said before I've yet to see him state "ALL WHITES" or even imply "ALL WHITES". He did not say white people are predators to anyone with something of value. He said "everyones got a bullseye on them if they got something of value that the trendy materialistic devils of america want". So heres the question does "devils" imply white people? If so does it apply to all white people or those who are trendy and materialistic? I believe his comment was directed at a specific group of people not whites as a whole.
"How can you not see racism in that?"
It's easy. How can 12 jurors not see racism in multiple police officers shooting one unarmed man 19 times out of 41?
"Here maybe I can help you since some people can only see things from one direction."
People like who you? I can do without the help.
"If I asked the question, "Are Africcan Americans the curse of a civilized peaceful people?", then followed it up by pointing out that black people are drug dealers, car theives, bank robbers etc. Would you think I was stereotyping or being racist? It is the same thing."
No, I would not think it was stereotyping or racism. Racism IMHO is based more on ACTION/DEED not words and rhetoric. If you pointed out that black people are drug dealers I would ask you a question. Why are they drug dealers? Is the drug dealing connected with the C.I.A, AMERICAN GOVERNMENT (CONTROLLED BY WHITE AMERICA) and FREEWAY RICK? I would ask questions along these lines and not paint the picture of a Klansman. I would also ask you if these behaviors were learned or passed on through genes. I would ask if slavery had an impact on why they were robbing banks, stealing car's, etc., etc., etc. no, I'm not using the ill's of slavery to make an excuse but chances are if slavery never occurred (in america) black people (in america) would:
1. NOT EXIST
2. NOT DEAL DRUGS, STEAL CARS OR ROB BANKS
"I would be taking just a fraction of culture, taking the negative from it and basing assumptions on the entire race. It is wrong any way you look at it and I think the two instances are very similar."
I don't believe he has done this.
"Who did he refer to as "materialistic devil predators"? Was it "white" leaders, "white" business owners, Europeans, Austrians, "white" people in poverty? ..or was it just "white" people? For him *not* to be stereotyping, myself, WHITE DEVIL, the pope, the creators of this message board, and every other white person in the world would have to be a materialistic devil predator, but they are not."
I honestly believe he was making reference to Bush, the government and white people who have no regrets/remorse when it comes to achieving certain goals.
"No I do not feel justified. But it seems that if a white person is being racist on this message board, people jump all over it -- but if it is the other way around, people are praising it?"
When has someone jumped all over it? If I see a white person being "racist" on this board I don't trip. I will direct my attention to those who attempt to shield the racism, sweep it under the rug and down play it.
"I can't let that shit ride. Reverse racism (hypocrisy) is something that angers me. It's one thing for a man to point the finger at a racist, but it's another for a racist to point the finger at another."
Are you angry with yourself? It's another for a racist to point the finger at another yet you made an attempt to justify white racism. How did you do this? You implied they are racist due to experience........
BTW I would ***LOVE*** to answer the questions posed to ASKG but those are his to answers.......
HGK
MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
I didn't know you somehow improved my state of living. Because if you did, and can, then please make an allergy pill better than Tylenol Alergy Sinus, shit doesnt seem to work very well.
why do you say this? maybe it doesnt matter to you, but many people still feel the effects of such actions done by whites in the past. Just look at the Native Americans. I'm sure they don't care what whites did, they got their land back...sort of....kind of....not really....well they own casinos!
HERESY: I asked those specific questions for a reason, and that purpose is not to gain knowledge of the "correct" answers. My posts are normally up for grabs regardless who they are directed at, but this is an inquisition, not a free-for-all. Actually you could answer them if you want but you would be waisting your time.
You've managed to answer all those questions in one sentence. Amazing!
You've managed to answer all those questions in one sentence. Amazing!
The way I see it, white people didn't create most of the problems in the world, people that are white did. There is a difference. Being white doesn't put you in any possition to be able to cause any real problems nor does it give you the desire to do so. Blacks, Asians, Natives, whatever race you want to come up with, ALL has bad people who do fucked up shit. It just happens that whites are in the lead, but you all know if the roles were reversed it wouldn't be any different. People with power create all the problems, and the majority of people with power are white, but not all white people have power do they?
i think it's pretty accurate....i would say white religious people though....why did natives stop using weed and peyote and shit? europeans....christians....catholics or whatever they were...were against that because their god didn't believe in that, so nobdoy else could do what they did for thousands of years....that's just my couple sentence blurb from the thread topic.....