Any muslims here?
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Bismillahir rahmaanir rahaeem wasalaamu alaikum wa ba'd,
I'm in philly. If you're trying to move to a spot where Islam is growing - philadelphia is definitely the spot. We've got 2 salafi masajid up here - and Imam Tawfeeq has tazkiyah to teach from the ulama - he was a student of Muqbil ibn Hadee in Yemen, before the shaykh died.
West philly, 60th and market - books, lectures, new masjid, jobs, shops...you can rent an apartment for 400 bucks a month...cheap
I'm in philly. If you're trying to move to a spot where Islam is growing - philadelphia is definitely the spot. We've got 2 salafi masajid up here - and Imam Tawfeeq has tazkiyah to teach from the ulama - he was a student of Muqbil ibn Hadee in Yemen, before the shaykh died.
West philly, 60th and market - books, lectures, new masjid, jobs, shops...you can rent an apartment for 400 bucks a month...cheap
I dunno man - I heard california was the black hole for muslims. If you want to lose your religion really fast - I heard it's terrible. No scholars are out there to teach - so everyone wants to pretend like they're experts.
I'd rather have a small community of devout brothers - like west philly - than a large community of sand nigger tight wad hypocrites who go to the masjid maybe once a week.
I'd rather have a small community of devout brothers - like west philly - than a large community of sand nigger tight wad hypocrites who go to the masjid maybe once a week.
It depends on where you live. A lot of Muslims are kind of spread apart so its hard to have a close community like yours. But there are places where there is a good Muslim community. The place where I live, Mill Valley, we have about 30 Muslim families living within 3 miles of one another. We have five times prayer in our Masjid and a good number of people show up, even during fajr. But there still are those people that come only once a week, or only on Eid. The only bad thing is that we have to go all the way to the city to get some halal meat, but its not really a problem cause I go to school there. No halal restaurants either.
@Thapro,
Thanx for the info bro.
@Wino,
It's very similar to Revelation in the bible as far as I can remember. Issa (Jesus) comes back and destroys the false Messiah (the beast).
I tell you one thing about this false Messiah or anti-Christ,
the Jews are going to be the first to be decieved by this character.
You see, they're waiting for their Messiah. And as far as Islam and Christianity is concerned, the only one left to come is the son of Satan. I can already see it, they're going to assume this guy is the Messiah they've been waiting for....
Thanx for the info bro.
@Wino,
It's very similar to Revelation in the bible as far as I can remember. Issa (Jesus) comes back and destroys the false Messiah (the beast).
I tell you one thing about this false Messiah or anti-Christ,
the Jews are going to be the first to be decieved by this character.
You see, they're waiting for their Messiah. And as far as Islam and Christianity is concerned, the only one left to come is the son of Satan. I can already see it, they're going to assume this guy is the Messiah they've been waiting for....
The qur'an specifies that when there is nothing good left on earth, every righteous man is dead - that He will command the angel Israafeel to blow the soor (trumpet) and it will destroy everything. My friend shibli wrote the following article.
From: "Shibli Zaman" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: "..the Universe..will eventually experience a 'red phase'.."
This just in from CNN.com/SPACE
True color of the cosmos revealed, pale green
January 11, 2002 Posted: 6:34 AM HKT (2234 GMT)
By Richard Stenger
CNN.com Sci-Tech
Excerpt:
"The color composite was created during an analysis of different
theories about star formation. Scientists think that the universe first went through a 'blue phase,' populated mostly by young stars; then shifted into its current 'green phase,' with its mixture of young and old; and will eventually experience a 'red phase,' when it possesses mostly aging red giants."
[http://asia.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/01/10/color.cosmos/index.html]
The eventual "red phase" towards the death of our universe was supported in 1999 when, for the first time, a picture had been taken by NASA of a dying star which looked identical to a red rose. Strangely NASA chose to call it a "Cat's Eye" nebula though I, personally, have never seen a cat with beady red eyes. You can see it here on NASA's web site:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991031.html
Now compare these recent scientific discoveries, to the following verse of the Qur'an regarding the death of the universe and its commentary by the successors of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):
"When the heavens are rent asunder and appear as a roseate oil; Which of your Lord's signs will you deny?" (1)
About this verse of the Qur'an, Qataadah from the generation of the Prophet's (peace be upon him) succcessors stated:
"In our time the heavens are GREEN but on that day they will become RED.. " (2)
That statement was over 1000 years ago. The early Muslims from the late 7th century knew that the universe's true color is green, and would eventually turn a deep roseate red. How did they know this information only substantiated in the year 2002? It should inspire all to ponder upon this question and wonder what their is in Islam that causes it to have revealed so many secrets of science more than 1400 years ago that are only being discovered with the help of modern technology to this
day. The information is too copious to document here, but skimming through the age old commentaries of the Qur'an by the Prophet's (peace be upon him) Companions and Successors each phase of the universe, the blue, the green, and the red, are mentioned thoroughly in great detail.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) recited the Qur'anic verse to a young lad, "..when the heavens are rent asunder and appear as a roseate oil.." The young boy was siezed with fear and began to cry and said,
"Woe be to me upon a day when the sky should be rent asunder! Woe unto me!" The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the angels have wept for your tears". (3)
All that is in the universe will indeed perish. This is a fact declared
by scientists and those of faith. Will you be ready for what comes next?
"All upon it (the earth) shall perish. All that will remain is the
Countenance of your Lord, the Master of Glory and Honor." (4)
Regards,
Shibli Zaman
[email protected]
http://shibli.zaman.net
REFERENCES:
1. The Holy Qur'an, Chapter ar-RaHmaan, 55:36, in Arabic, "fa
itha-nshaqqati-samaa'u fa kaanat wardatan kad-dihaan; fa bi ayyi aalaa'i
rabbikumaa tukathibaan". Some of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be
upon him) such as ibn `Abbas said it is similar to the color of a red
mare.
2. Upon the authority of `Abdur-Razzaaq, Ibn Jareer, `Abd bin Humayd,
and others in Tafseer ibn Katheer, al-Jaami`u li-aHkaami-l Qur'aan of
al-Qurtubi, Jaami`u-l Bayaan `An Ta'weel Ayy al-Qur'aan of at-Tabari,
ad-Durr al-Manthoor fee Tafseer bi-l Ma'thoor of as-Suyuti
3. On the authority of Muhammad bin NaSr, from Luqmaan bin `Aamir in
ad-Durr al-Manthoor fee Tafseer bi-l Ma'thoor of as-Suyuti
4 The Holy Qur'an, Chapter ar-RaHmaan 55:26-27, in Arabic, "kullu man
`alayhaa faan. Wa yabqaa wajhu rabbika thu-l jalaali wa-l ikraam"
Also here are some signs about the coming of the Judgement taken from the Qur'an, and from the prophecies of Muhammad - judgement won't come until all of them have happened.
Signs Before the Day of Judgement
Author: Yoosuf ibn Abdillaah ibn Yoosuf al-Waabil
A. The Minor Signs
The Prophethood of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)
The death of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)
The conquering of Bait ul-Maqdis
The Plague of Amwaas (in Palestine)
The increase in wealth so that sadaqah is not needed
Trials and civil strife:
(i) The appearance of troubles in the east
(ii) The killing of Uthmaan (ra)
(iii) The battle of al-Jamaal
(iv) The battle of Siffeen
(v) The appearanc of the Khawaarij
(vi) The happening of al-Harrah
(vii) The appearance of the saying that the Quran is created
(viii) The following of the ways of the previous nations
The appearance of claimants to Prophethood
Widespread safety
The appearance of fire in the Hijaz
Fighting the Turks
Fighting the non-Arabs
Dissappearance of trustworthiness
Dissappearance of knowledge and appearance of ignorance
Increase in the number of police and helpers of the oppressors
Spread of fornication
Spread of usury
Spread of musical instruments and their being thought to be allowed
Drinking of intoxicants and its being allowed
Adorning the mosques and rivalling therein
Building tall buildings
The slave girls giving birth to her mistress
Increase in killing
Time passing quickly
Coming together of markets
Appearance of Shirk in this Ummah
Appearance of wickedness, cutting off of relations and ill treatment of neighbours
Dying of grey hairs with black dye
Increase of extreme miserliness
Increase in trade
Many earthquakes
Appearance of sinking into the earth, transformation into animals and false-accusations
The passing away of the pious
The raising of the despicable people to positions of importance
That greeting is given only to those the person knows
That knowledge is sought from other than the scholars in truth
Appearance of women in clothes which do not cover them
The truthfulness of the dreams of the Believers
Spread and increase in writing
Laxity with regard to the Sunnah
Increase in size of the new moons
Increase in falsehood and having no concern to check reports
Increase in false testimony and witholding true witness
Large number of women and small number of men
Sudden death being common
Hatred amongst peoples hearts
The return of the land of the Arabs to being pastures and rivers
Increase in rain but decrease in produce
The revealing of a mountain of gold by the Euphrates river
The talking of wild animals and inanimate objects to people
Wishing for death because of the severity of trials
Increase in the number of 'Romans' and their fighting the muslims
Victory over Constantinople
The appearance of al-Qahtaanee
Fighting the Jews
The expelling by al-Madeenah of its wicked people, then its desolation at the end of time
The sending of a pleasant wind to take away the souls of the Believers
The attacking of the Sacred House and dismantling of the Ka'bah
B. The Major Signs
The Mahdee
The Anti-Christ [Maseeh ud-Dajjal]
The descent of Eesaa (as)
Yajooj and Maajooj
The three great sinkings of the earth
The appearance of smoke in the sky
The rising of the sun in the west
The beast of the earth [Daabbat ul-Ard]
The fire which brings the people together
From: "Shibli Zaman" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:47 AM
Subject: "..the Universe..will eventually experience a 'red phase'.."
This just in from CNN.com/SPACE
True color of the cosmos revealed, pale green
January 11, 2002 Posted: 6:34 AM HKT (2234 GMT)
By Richard Stenger
CNN.com Sci-Tech
Excerpt:
"The color composite was created during an analysis of different
theories about star formation. Scientists think that the universe first went through a 'blue phase,' populated mostly by young stars; then shifted into its current 'green phase,' with its mixture of young and old; and will eventually experience a 'red phase,' when it possesses mostly aging red giants."
[http://asia.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/01/10/color.cosmos/index.html]
The eventual "red phase" towards the death of our universe was supported in 1999 when, for the first time, a picture had been taken by NASA of a dying star which looked identical to a red rose. Strangely NASA chose to call it a "Cat's Eye" nebula though I, personally, have never seen a cat with beady red eyes. You can see it here on NASA's web site:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap991031.html
Now compare these recent scientific discoveries, to the following verse of the Qur'an regarding the death of the universe and its commentary by the successors of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him):
"When the heavens are rent asunder and appear as a roseate oil; Which of your Lord's signs will you deny?" (1)
About this verse of the Qur'an, Qataadah from the generation of the Prophet's (peace be upon him) succcessors stated:
"In our time the heavens are GREEN but on that day they will become RED.. " (2)
That statement was over 1000 years ago. The early Muslims from the late 7th century knew that the universe's true color is green, and would eventually turn a deep roseate red. How did they know this information only substantiated in the year 2002? It should inspire all to ponder upon this question and wonder what their is in Islam that causes it to have revealed so many secrets of science more than 1400 years ago that are only being discovered with the help of modern technology to this
day. The information is too copious to document here, but skimming through the age old commentaries of the Qur'an by the Prophet's (peace be upon him) Companions and Successors each phase of the universe, the blue, the green, and the red, are mentioned thoroughly in great detail.
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) recited the Qur'anic verse to a young lad, "..when the heavens are rent asunder and appear as a roseate oil.." The young boy was siezed with fear and began to cry and said,
"Woe be to me upon a day when the sky should be rent asunder! Woe unto me!" The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the angels have wept for your tears". (3)
All that is in the universe will indeed perish. This is a fact declared
by scientists and those of faith. Will you be ready for what comes next?
"All upon it (the earth) shall perish. All that will remain is the
Countenance of your Lord, the Master of Glory and Honor." (4)
Regards,
Shibli Zaman
[email protected]
http://shibli.zaman.net
REFERENCES:
1. The Holy Qur'an, Chapter ar-RaHmaan, 55:36, in Arabic, "fa
itha-nshaqqati-samaa'u fa kaanat wardatan kad-dihaan; fa bi ayyi aalaa'i
rabbikumaa tukathibaan". Some of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be
upon him) such as ibn `Abbas said it is similar to the color of a red
mare.
2. Upon the authority of `Abdur-Razzaaq, Ibn Jareer, `Abd bin Humayd,
and others in Tafseer ibn Katheer, al-Jaami`u li-aHkaami-l Qur'aan of
al-Qurtubi, Jaami`u-l Bayaan `An Ta'weel Ayy al-Qur'aan of at-Tabari,
ad-Durr al-Manthoor fee Tafseer bi-l Ma'thoor of as-Suyuti
3. On the authority of Muhammad bin NaSr, from Luqmaan bin `Aamir in
ad-Durr al-Manthoor fee Tafseer bi-l Ma'thoor of as-Suyuti
4 The Holy Qur'an, Chapter ar-RaHmaan 55:26-27, in Arabic, "kullu man
`alayhaa faan. Wa yabqaa wajhu rabbika thu-l jalaali wa-l ikraam"
Also here are some signs about the coming of the Judgement taken from the Qur'an, and from the prophecies of Muhammad - judgement won't come until all of them have happened.
Signs Before the Day of Judgement
Author: Yoosuf ibn Abdillaah ibn Yoosuf al-Waabil
A. The Minor Signs
The Prophethood of Muhammad (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)
The death of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam)
The conquering of Bait ul-Maqdis
The Plague of Amwaas (in Palestine)
The increase in wealth so that sadaqah is not needed
Trials and civil strife:
(i) The appearance of troubles in the east
(ii) The killing of Uthmaan (ra)
(iii) The battle of al-Jamaal
(iv) The battle of Siffeen
(v) The appearanc of the Khawaarij
(vi) The happening of al-Harrah
(vii) The appearance of the saying that the Quran is created
(viii) The following of the ways of the previous nations
The appearance of claimants to Prophethood
Widespread safety
The appearance of fire in the Hijaz
Fighting the Turks
Fighting the non-Arabs
Dissappearance of trustworthiness
Dissappearance of knowledge and appearance of ignorance
Increase in the number of police and helpers of the oppressors
Spread of fornication
Spread of usury
Spread of musical instruments and their being thought to be allowed
Drinking of intoxicants and its being allowed
Adorning the mosques and rivalling therein
Building tall buildings
The slave girls giving birth to her mistress
Increase in killing
Time passing quickly
Coming together of markets
Appearance of Shirk in this Ummah
Appearance of wickedness, cutting off of relations and ill treatment of neighbours
Dying of grey hairs with black dye
Increase of extreme miserliness
Increase in trade
Many earthquakes
Appearance of sinking into the earth, transformation into animals and false-accusations
The passing away of the pious
The raising of the despicable people to positions of importance
That greeting is given only to those the person knows
That knowledge is sought from other than the scholars in truth
Appearance of women in clothes which do not cover them
The truthfulness of the dreams of the Believers
Spread and increase in writing
Laxity with regard to the Sunnah
Increase in size of the new moons
Increase in falsehood and having no concern to check reports
Increase in false testimony and witholding true witness
Large number of women and small number of men
Sudden death being common
Hatred amongst peoples hearts
The return of the land of the Arabs to being pastures and rivers
Increase in rain but decrease in produce
The revealing of a mountain of gold by the Euphrates river
The talking of wild animals and inanimate objects to people
Wishing for death because of the severity of trials
Increase in the number of 'Romans' and their fighting the muslims
Victory over Constantinople
The appearance of al-Qahtaanee
Fighting the Jews
The expelling by al-Madeenah of its wicked people, then its desolation at the end of time
The sending of a pleasant wind to take away the souls of the Believers
The attacking of the Sacred House and dismantling of the Ka'bah
B. The Major Signs
The Mahdee
The Anti-Christ [Maseeh ud-Dajjal]
The descent of Eesaa (as)
Yajooj and Maajooj
The three great sinkings of the earth
The appearance of smoke in the sky
The rising of the sun in the west
The beast of the earth [Daabbat ul-Ard]
The fire which brings the people together
^^^^
Thanx Heresy.
I didn't know you were familiar with the Qur'an.
Anyways I should mention why I asked the question.
You know there is like 4 different accounts of Noah and his Ark.
In the bible, the Qur'an, and the Sumerian tablets.
I know that the remains of the ark were found near mount Ararat in Turkey. Well I just want to compare the findings with all the scriptures related to them.
Thus it will prove which version of the story is more accurate, and then you can find which of the "holy" books is legit.
Thanx Heresy.
I didn't know you were familiar with the Qur'an.
Anyways I should mention why I asked the question.
You know there is like 4 different accounts of Noah and his Ark.
In the bible, the Qur'an, and the Sumerian tablets.
I know that the remains of the ark were found near mount Ararat in Turkey. Well I just want to compare the findings with all the scriptures related to them.
Thus it will prove which version of the story is more accurate, and then you can find which of the "holy" books is legit.
all right miggidy - I don't have much to say since I'm not interested in a religious debate whatsoever. More often than not, nobody is convinced of shit and I don't value your opinion whatsoever - if I want to convert to Christianity - I'll do it because of my own research and nothing you could possibly say would sway me at all.
I mean nothing against you, even though I think you're a bitch, but I just don't believe anything people have to say because they're all full of shit. Everyone wants to be the Wise Old Righteous Sage when it comes to religion - when in reality, they don't know anything at all. They have 1 or 2 cassettes from an online evangelist and they think they're the bomb. Muslims, christians, atheists too.
But maybe you'd find the following points INTERESTING (not persuasive, mind you, I don't give a fuck if you convert or not) and helpful to your research:
The verse I quote explicitly states that Noah's Ark rests on Mount Judi - which, no bullshit - is where this old ass boat is sitting. Is that old boat the Ark? Some say yes, some say no - a newspaper article said "It's somewhere between maybe and probably." That was a secular paper.
The bible on the other hand is a little different. The Bible claims that the Ark came to rest twenty miles away on the "Mountains of Ararat." This is not possible, since these mountains are a recent geological formation, and did not exist at the time of Noah. Fundamentalist christians don't put much stock in archeological dating processes - since they all indicate the earth is millions of years old, and the bible says the earth is 6000 years old.
Big difference there, I find it impossible to follow it - but if you are willing to overlook it - in the name of "science is wrong (which it is a lot of the time)" - feel free to do so.
The other thing is the Qur'an also refers to the flood as a localised event, destroying only Noah's people. The dates and time offered by the Bible for the flood, and its claim that it was a world wide cataclysm.
I personally have found NO evidence that the entire earth was, at one point in time, under water. I find a worldwide flood - the entire earth being nothing but water - to be an impossibility.
I mean nothing against you, even though I think you're a bitch, but I just don't believe anything people have to say because they're all full of shit. Everyone wants to be the Wise Old Righteous Sage when it comes to religion - when in reality, they don't know anything at all. They have 1 or 2 cassettes from an online evangelist and they think they're the bomb. Muslims, christians, atheists too.
But maybe you'd find the following points INTERESTING (not persuasive, mind you, I don't give a fuck if you convert or not) and helpful to your research:
The verse I quote explicitly states that Noah's Ark rests on Mount Judi - which, no bullshit - is where this old ass boat is sitting. Is that old boat the Ark? Some say yes, some say no - a newspaper article said "It's somewhere between maybe and probably." That was a secular paper.
The bible on the other hand is a little different. The Bible claims that the Ark came to rest twenty miles away on the "Mountains of Ararat." This is not possible, since these mountains are a recent geological formation, and did not exist at the time of Noah. Fundamentalist christians don't put much stock in archeological dating processes - since they all indicate the earth is millions of years old, and the bible says the earth is 6000 years old.
Big difference there, I find it impossible to follow it - but if you are willing to overlook it - in the name of "science is wrong (which it is a lot of the time)" - feel free to do so.
The other thing is the Qur'an also refers to the flood as a localised event, destroying only Noah's people. The dates and time offered by the Bible for the flood, and its claim that it was a world wide cataclysm.
I personally have found NO evidence that the entire earth was, at one point in time, under water. I find a worldwide flood - the entire earth being nothing but water - to be an impossibility.
Asalamu Alaykum
@Willy Jones. You say your from Philly, well do you know Al Shaykh Samer??? He's like atleast 5'7" blonde/Brown Hair, Green Eyes. He teaches Islam in a lot of languages Arabic, English, French, German. This man is very powerful and he knows what hes doing. I went back home (Beirut) and stayed out there about a year and he really taught something. Thats about the only scholar that I'd go to. I'd never take any lessons out here in Cali (I never been up North, so I'm talkin about Southern Cali). 99% of them don't know what they're talking about, and they try to write the Qur'an in their own words. They feed peoples brains with wrong teachings. And I can't stand that shit.
@Willy Jones. You say your from Philly, well do you know Al Shaykh Samer??? He's like atleast 5'7" blonde/Brown Hair, Green Eyes. He teaches Islam in a lot of languages Arabic, English, French, German. This man is very powerful and he knows what hes doing. I went back home (Beirut) and stayed out there about a year and he really taught something. Thats about the only scholar that I'd go to. I'd never take any lessons out here in Cali (I never been up North, so I'm talkin about Southern Cali). 99% of them don't know what they're talking about, and they try to write the Qur'an in their own words. They feed peoples brains with wrong teachings. And I can't stand that shit.