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EXACTLY YOU CANNOT DISPROVE, I can dsprove that there isnt a monster in your closet but u cant disprove that there is no God, i have PROOF that there is a God and i believe you didnt read this post i had in that last thread so i will repost please read and let me know if you need more proof than this. 1400 years ago describes the embroyo in detail, it is something that the eyes cannot see.

With fiber optic wire technowlogy we can now film the stages of a baby's growth whithin the womb however the muslim Holy book the Quran stated all of these stages in an amazing detail.

In the name of God most gracious most merciful

O mankind! If ye are in doubt concerning the resurection, the lo! We have created you from dust, then from a drop of seed, then from a clot, then from a bite of flesh shapely and shapeless, that We make it clear for you.

REFERENCE: (Chapter 22) part of verse"5"

Clot in the Arabic language can mean the name given to leaches which the baby resembles its looks during the very early stages of its developement then this subsequently developes to a shape simmilar to abite made impression when the spine of the little baby starts to form.

On the origin of life in water
[21:30] ...And We made every living thing from water...
[24:45] And Allah has created every animal from water...
Modern scientific theory on the origin of life was not firmly established up until the last two or three centuries. Prior to that, the predominant theory on the origin of life was based on a concept called "spontaneous generation" where living creatures literally popped out of inanimate matter spontaneously and continuously. This view was discredited with the work of many Renaissance scientists including Harvey and Redi, and in the 1850's, Louis Pasteur's research on bacteriology sealed the coffin on this theory. Starting with the work of Huxley up to the present day, an alternative theory has been proposed where life is understood to have emerged from a long, increasingly complex chain of chemical reactions. These reactions are believed to have begun in the depths of the oceans because the atmosphere was not sufficiently developed to protect living organisms from ultraviolet radiation:

"...it is believed that early forms of life developed in oceans or pools...It has been suggested that the colonization of land, about 425,000,000 years ago, was possible only because enough ozone was then produced to shield the surface from ultraviolet light for the first time." [20]
This idea of life originating in the oceans is strongly supported by the two Qur'anic verses quoted above.

It is important to note however that the Qur'an does NOT contain an exclusive endorsement for evolution. While the verses quoted above indicate beyond any doubt that Allah created all living things from water, there are many other verses that emphasize His Absolute power over everything.

On Human Embryological and Fetal Development
The Qur'an has an extensive amount of information on the growth of the human embryo and fetus, especially the former. Before presenting this information, it may be helpful to provide a brief outline of human development in the womb as modern science understands it. [10]

An unfertilized egg is produced by the female, and is subsequently placed in her Fallopian tubes.
The male cohabits with the female, and a single sperm cell fertilizes the egg.
The fertilized egg retreats into the uterus, and attaches itself to the uterine wall.
Embryological growth (roughly 3 months).
Fetal growth (6 months).
Birth
We will examine some of these stages in greater detail as the verses in the Qur'an require. First, however, two verses which give a general overview of human development:

[71:14] ...seeing that it is He (Allah) Who has created you in stages...
[35:11] And Allah created you from dust, then from a drop...
The first verse is a very general, yet accurate description of our creation as coming in stages (see the six-step outline above). The second verse puts some perspective on the whole affair: how man originally came from dust (Adam), and then from a drop.

There are at least four specific details regarding human development in the Qur'an which modern science has revealed only within the last few centuries, and in some cases only in this present century. The first concerns the emission of semen:

[75:37] Was he (man) not a drop of semen emitted?
In spite of the large amount of liquid which can be produced by a man during human intercourse, this verse emphasizes that only a small drop of it is important.

The second important detail in the Qur'an on human development is the description of the fertilizing liquid (i.e. semen):

[86:6] He (man) is created from a gushing liquid.
[76:2] We created the human from a drop which is a mixture...
[32:8] Then He (Allah) made his (Adam's) progeny from a quintessence of a despised liquid.
The second and third verses relate to the contents of semen. Modern science has established that semen is in fact a composition of different secretions which come from four different glands during ejaculation: the testicles, the seminal vesicles, the prostate gland, and the urinary tract glands. The actual sperm cells come from the testicles; the other three glands produce no fertilizing agents. The Qur'an goes farther than just informing us that semen is a mixture of liquids. It tells us in [32:8] that only the "quintessence" of the liquid is used (the "despised" comes from the fact that semen is emitted from the same place as urine, and thus may be despicable in some people's sight). The Arabic word for "quintessence" in this verse signifies extracting the absolute best out of something. The numbers tell the story: a normal ejaculation involves about 3 ml of fluid containing between 120,000,000 and 150,000,000 sperm cells. Of these cells, only one fertilizes the egg in the female, and this is the point which [32:8] alludes to [15].

A third detail of human development mentioned in the Qur'an concerns the newly fertilized egg:

[75:37-38] Was he (man) not a drop of semen emitted? Then he did become something leech-like which clings...
Recent observations of the fertilized egg in the womb have revealed that the egg literally implants itself into the uterine wall. It "clings" in the strongest sense, and it remains like so in the early stage of development. On top of that, the developing organism acts as a leech on the female host in the sense that it draws its sustenance directly from its mother's body [10].

Finally, the Qur'an gives a fascinating account of embryological development (the first three months) in the following verses (certain words have been transliterated directly from the Arabic):

[23:14] ...We made the drop into an ALAQAH (leech-like structure), and then We changed the ALAQAH into a MUDGHAH (chewed-like substance), then We changed the MUDGHAH into IDHAAM (bones, skeleton), then We clothed the IDHAAM with LAHM (flesh, muscles), then We caused him to grow and come into being as another creation.
[22:5] ...We created you out of dust, then out of a drop, then out of a MUDGHAH, partly formed and partly unformed...
Verse [23:14] divides embryological development into four stages. The first stage picks up right after fertilization ("drop"), and is characterized by an ALAQAH or "leech-like structure" which describes how the egg implants itself into the uterus (see above). The second stage describes the embryo as evolving into a MUDGHAH which means something which has been chewed (especially a piece of meat), or which has the appearance of having been chewed. This seemingly crude description is in fact quite accurate: after the fertilized egg lodges itself in the uterus, it begins to receive its first nutrients and energy from its mother. Consequently, it begins to grow especially rapidly, and after a week or two it looks like a ragged piece of meat to the naked eye. This effect is enhanced by the development of small buds and protrusions which will eventually grow into complete organs and limbs.

The next two stages described in verse [23:14] tell of bones being made from the MUDGHAH, followed by the "clothing" of the bones with flesh or muscles. If we follow the progress of the embryo with our own eyes, we find that after approximately four weeks, a process called 'differentiation' begins, where groups of cells within the embryo transform themselves to form certain large organs. One of the earliest structures to develop in this stage is the cartilaginous basis of the human skeleton (in subsequent months, the cartilage hardens or ossifies). It is followed soon after by the appearance of a host of other organs including muscles, ears, eyes, kidneys, heart, and more. This maintains the order described in the Qur'an. Verse [23:14] concludes with the growth of the organism in the womb (and simple growth is the primary characteristic of the fetal stage) followed by its birth.

Verse [22:5] adds one more interesting note on the embryo. In this verse, the MUDGHAH is qualified with the phrase

"partly formed and partly unformed."
As alluded to above, our modern observations of embryological development have revealed how different structures and organs develop one after another through differentiation. This gives rise to unusual situations where the embryo is unevenly formed (i.e. lungs but no ears for example). [11,16]

I COULD KILL YOU GUYS WITH MORE INFO BUT YOU GUYS CAN SEARCH THE INTERNET AND FIND OUT YOURSELVES, HERES WHAT SOME SCIENTISTS HAD TO SAY JUST VISIT THIS LINK
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Science/scientists.html
 

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How can I disprove something that I don’t believe exists? WTF am I going to disprove?
How the hell can someone disprove something that nobody knows wtf it is in the first place?
>>>I've checked your other threads and honestly they’re some of the most retarded fucking shit I have ever read in my life. You and Hemp are probably the two biggest idiots the siccness has ever seen. If I could ban people based on stupidity you'd be the first to go.
If u have read other threads, then i think you can't read or just disabled. U should be banned for retardation.

How the hell can someone disprove something that nobody knows wtf it is in the first place

THIS IS WHY I BELIEVE IN GOD. I ONLY WORSHIP GOD BECAUSE HE DESERVES TO BE WORSHIPPED. i am a human being, I have a brain, I will never worship anything that is weak.

Idiot, how many times have i described God to you. If u want another logic description, I have the best description in the whole world, because this is what religion is about. I don't follow anything in life blindly. U think im just some religious freak, old man and crap. No, im an american who grew up here, always smarter than my class, and always thought about what i can do, and what i can't do. I robb, steal, everything else, Like a normal human. I have been going to THE CORRECT MUSLIM school for 10 years. When i was a child, I didn't give a crap about what they were talking about. Now i understand fully, and I have thought about every single word i believe in. EVERY SINGLE THING I BELIEVE, I THINK ABOUT 24 hours a day. THIS IS HUMAN LOGIC. Let me tell you about God, and the correct things about God. Know if u still think im an idiot, Then i believe u are an idiot. Because i give u a desciption and u can't tell me any flaws? DO U READ, OR DO YOU JUST SKIM THROUGH IT?NOW TELL ME ABOUT GOD'S DESCRIPTION, NOT JUST U THINK"HE DOESN'T EXISTS" I GIVE U MANY ASPECTS AND REASONS OF WHY HE DOES EXISTS. SO READ, AND DON'T SKIM THROUGH IT LIKE AN CLOSED-MINDED IGNORANT HUMAN BEING.
ASK ME ANYTHING ABOUT GOD, I WILL REPLY IF I AM ABLE.
ONLY CORRECT DESCRIPTION OF GOD AND RELIGION-

There is only 1 God, and He always existed. There was a time where there was nothing, except God. THERE WAS NOTHING WITH GOD, BUT HE NEVER BECOMES LONELY. GOD IS PERFECT AND KNOWS EVERYTHING. HE KNEW EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, ETERNALLY. HE KNEW, HE WAS GOING TO CREATE EARTH, SUN, MOON, HUMANS, ANGELS, AND EVERY SINGLE ELSE.

God does not resemble his creations in anyway whatsoever. EVERYTHING U IMAGINE IN YOUR MIND, GOD AND HIS ATTRIBUTES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THAT. Everything u imagine in ur mind is either a space, or a color, and it contains space. Everything in ur mind is a creation of God.

The 8 directions do not contain God. Up, down, left, right, around, in, or out.(God created them)
Everything has a beginnig, except God and his attributes. This includes TIME, heaven, sky, place, stars, human brains, animals, color, space, oxygen, mars, male and female, anything u can think of. God is perfect. He does not need anything. AND I MEAN NOTHING. Every single thing that has a beginning needs or needed something. God is the only, that doesn't need anything. He does not change, grow, shrink, begin or die. Time does not run on God. Nothing that we need or we see, or feel, God doesn't need. God doesn't need fuel, or place. GOD DOESN't NEED PLACE. God does not change, He exists the same as He was ie, without a place. God exists without a place. This is the only correct answer you can say where God exists. GOD EXISTS WITHOUT A PLACE(think about it). God created the sky(God doesn't change). So God cannot change, and become in the sky(or over heaven, or in heaven.) God does not need place. Everysingle creation included place, except God.
God created the air, and space, and even place, SO He does not exists in them. God does not exists everywhere. If God existed everywhere, He would be in the bathroom and so on.(GOD IS NOT WEAK). He doesn't exists no where, because this would mean there is chance God doesn't exist.(GOd exists without a place). God see's everything without an eye or any other instrument. God see's everything unlike us. No human or anything can see everything. God see's without distance. Try to imagine that sir, Seeing without an eye, and no distance. He does not need light, color or even distance to see. He see's every seeable thing without distance. He see's our heart beat, inside the Tv, computer, He see's every seeable thing ever created. Imagine something seeing without distance, ur bones, and everything inside ur body. And God see's it without existing in it without distance. Think about that one too. God hears everything without an ear or any other instrument. God hears everything without distance or sound waves, or any other thing. Imagine that one too. God hears every single human talk, and every single song on the radio, at the same time, and He doesn't hear it loud or low volume. God doesn't hear with volume. Think about it. God has no beginning, or end, or no partner. God has Power over all creations. God has angels. Angels have free will just like humans. They only obey God. It's there choice and they only obey God. And God knew all this eternally. THINK ABOUT THIS STUFF. God has power over all creations. Which means : any single thing except God, He has power over everything. He is the creator, every single thing is a creation. The creator is not like the creations. He has power over hurricanes, plate techtonics, galaxy, humans, oxygen, ozone layer, and volcanoes, or any other possible thing u can think of. This means God is the greatest. He can part the sea if God willed. God can will for someone to die. The destiny of God, is a perfect attribute. Even evil doesn't have power over God. God has power over everything. He created every single thing on earth, a test for humans. A test to see their intellegent. God doesn't need humans, Humans need God. God knows everything. He knows every single possible thing to know. He knows what we know combined, and more. Think about it. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING. He knows how drugs feel, He knows what scientist are going to find out, and what the scientists will never find out. He knows everything. THINK ABOUT IT. This might be a lil hard for humans, Humans think they are the smartest. NO, we have a limited brain. This is what God created. With ur human brain, try to imagine a place without lightness or darkness. Go ahead and try it for urself. NO lightness or darkness. It's not possible beacause we can only imagine what we have experienced. The next life after we die, We have never experienced it, and we cannot imagine how good or bad it will be. Everything either hellfire, or heaven is far past our imagination. God's attributes are past our imigination, because we will never experience them. These are only the attibutes of the creator. NO CREATION WILL HAVE SIMILAR ATTRIBUTES TO GOD. God exists without a place(every creation exists in a place), He knows everything(every creation does not know everything), God has no beginning(every creation has a beginning), God needs nothing(every creation need something), God hears without an ear or any other instrument(every creation needs an ear or another instrument in order to hear.) God see's everything without distance or color.(every creation needs distance to see, and color, including black and white, light and dark). God's attribute is Non-Resemblance to the Creation.(Every single creation resembles eachother in a way or not, male/female. Or every single creation is a color. And every single creations needs something. Non-Resemblance to the Creation is GOd. Humans resemble plant. BOTH CREATED IN MALE AND FEMALE.)

GOD IS DIFFERENT THAN U THINK. ANYTHING U IMAGINE IN UR MIND, GOD IS DIFFERENT THAN THAT. HE CREATED OUR MIND, AND EVERYTHING IN IT. GOD DOESN'T RESEMBLE HIS CREATIONS IN ANYWAY(CHRISTIANS THINK DIFFERENTLY AND THIS IS NOT CORRECT

IF U USE .0000001% OF UR BRAIN, TRY TO IMAGINE THESE ATTRIBUTES OF GOD, AND U CAN'T. u can'T, U CAN'T. SORRY TO CALL U WEAK MINDED, BUT GOD IS SMARTER THAN ALL OF US. USE UR BRAIN AND THINK.

GOD CREATED THE HUMAN BRAINS, BECAUSE HUMANS CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. HUMANS HAVE BRAINS USE IT. I WANT ALL U PEOPLE TELL ME ANY FLAWS OF GOD'S ATTRIBUTES OR QUESTIONS. I CAN EXPLAIN IT. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING, AND HE IS THE GREATEST.

If you do not see God, this doesn't mean God does not exists. IF i was behind someone, and he can't see me, This doesn't mean i don't exists. If I am behind you, I can see you, even if u can't see me, therefore i exists. I don't care if u see me, I can see you, therefore i exists. GOD SEE'S EVERYTHING Therefore God exists.

DID U READ ALL OF IT, OR DID U SKIM THROUGH IT?
 
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I think we have come to the conclusion that (1) myself and 2-0-Sixx are athiests that require proof before we believe in the existence in God, and (2) Hemp, Shoowilla and all of the other myriad of people who believe in God keep throwing at us verses from some text written 2000 years ago by a bunch of people who had nothing better to do, TRYING TO TELL US THAT THIS BULLSHIT IS PROOF OF GODS EXISTENCE. You have said nothing new from your first post. Do you think that the more of your repetitive posts we read the more brainwashed we'll become and suddenly - 'wow, I didn't understand the first 100 times, but now I agree - ofcourse God can see without eyes! God needs nothing! I wonder why it didn't hit me before!!!'

I think the metaphor proposed by 2-0-Sixx is apt. The only difference between his monster and your god is that your god isn't accessible simply by turning a key and opening the door. Your closet has always been and will forever be locked, and whether God is in there or not is irrelevant because you yourself have never had the pleasure of seeing whats inside. A thousand other metaphors sum up your beliefs nicely. I believe - no wait, I KNOW that there is a alien city buried underneath the antarctic - disprove me. I know that the universe is finite and it's boundaries are marked by the presence of a near-infinite number of giant yellow jellyfish - disprove me! I know that the most fundamental of particles are sub-microscopic cell phones a billionth the size of an atom. cmon, DISPROVE ME!! you can't, can you? So there you go, I'm right. You better start believing or you're going to hell.

This argument is over, we are getting nowhere.

In closing, I must say that you are all fucked in the head. You believe that some verse from a religious text, whether from the bible or otherwise, prooves the existence of God. You keep babbling on about how God is great, God knows everything, God is all powerful - and why do you believe that God is all of these things? Because you read it in a book. You can't, I repeat CAN'T claim that you believe in 'him' because of all the wonderful things you see around you or because of your prayers that have been answered. What about the prayers that haven't been answered? I guarantee they outweight the former 1000:1 (and if not, then you are simply lucky). Oh, God is testing you is he? I must agree with Fridge - "If you don't believe it's real, there's no explanation good enough. If you do believe it's real, there's no explanation necessary"

Believe if you will, but understand that I and others like me will forever question your beliefs because they make absolutely no sense. Every message you have posted repeats the same statement, over and over again in different forms - 'God is great'. Sure, you might swap the word great for 'sees without eyes' or 'God doesn't need', but this repetitive jargon adds nothing to your argument. If you think that I will start believing in God if you can throw a thousand different versions of the statement 'God is great' at me, then you have serious mental problems.
 
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Hutch i didnt have time to read your entire post because i have to go to school, but i read the beginning and my post is verses from the Quran that state the human embryo in detail 1400 years, this is something that was not able to be seen my man until a few decades ago, so how can you say that is not the qword of God, Also a few decades ago two athiests won the noble prize for discovering that animals came from water, check the post i did, in the Quran it said that God created all creatures all animals from water 1400 years ago.

Hersey not to start a debate or anything but have you peeped out any of ahmed deedats debates or yusuf estes lectures?
 
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Ah, OK - as yusuf estes says (with regards to learning about the Quran): 'Above all, do not let others who are poisoned in their thinking influence you while your are in this state of "rebirth of the soul." Hence, my arguments are lost on you too (I knew they were in the first place but still...). Thus, you cannot change my beliefs and I cannot change yours. This argument can have no 'winners' - Stalemate. Good luck with the rest of your life and I hope the Quran brings you happiness and fulfillment (no sarcasm intended).
 
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Hutch, i currently have a break from school, iam going to reply to other post and God willing if i have time i will read yours dont think that im not reading your comments because it will change my mind. If you can show me a religion thats better than mine then i will go to that religion thats in the words of yusuf estes. So if you can show me that there is no God i will listen. You think muslims follow a religion blindly like most christians or jews or whatever? who go to church once a week? Muslims do worship 5 times a day, muslims get up before sunrise and worship you think they just do it without thinking that this is the ABSOLUTE truth? muslims are the most of aware of their religion, we dont do it just cause we do it because we know and we have the knowledge, debating with you guys give me more knowledge about my religion, therefore i welcome anything that you are going to say because i can give you an answer back, like i said islam is not only faith its faith and proof. And im not trying to turn you into a muslim or anybody only God can do that, its just that people are attacking islam with false misconceptions.
 
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The athiests is making the claim of Gods unexistance so PROVE ME THERE ISNT A GOD? PROVE ME THERE ISNT A GOD? what are your proofs? check the the other post i just posted in the other thread. If that is not proof then i dont know what proving something is.
haha...
sofa king we todd ed.
 
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HERESY said:
Are you talking about the guy who was funded by Bin Laden and argues with all types of christians?
Hersey i know for sure you are not talking about Yusuf estes, and i never heard such claims about deedat being funded by bin laden, if you have a source i would be interested. But yeah Ahmed Deedat was the one who debated with the christian priests. Yusuf estes is a former preacher himself, and his dad was a priest who also becamse muslim, but Yusuf estes doesnt debate with christians, he doesnt believe in debating because in the end as muslims we believe a bible existed, so he takes a different way. If your interested let me know i can link you some video lectures he has.

I just researched it real quick, and yeah its the same ahmed deedat i spoke about, but all sites that talk about it are anti islamic sites. From the information i got from there is that he met him in 1990 at that time laden was an american ally i believe. And i know for sure he didnt meet him after 95 because he suffered a stroke that left him paralyzed and unable to talk. But Deedat spoke about the bible and the Quran he never had any crazy views like laden has which by the way are against Islam ask any Imam (priest). And those ones on TV that say otherwise and committ these actions are brainwashed.
 

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Mohammed is the only person you have listed who practiced islam. Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were not muslims nor did they have islam or practice its doctrine/dogma.
As a mercy from Him, Allah لىاعتو هناحبس sent many messengers to humans. They were all sent to teach people the correct and acceptable way of worshipping Allah, their Creator and the Creator of everything. All the prophets of Allah, the first of whom is Adam ملاسلا هيلع , and the last of whom is Muhammad , came with one Religion--Islam, one creed--the belief in the Oneness of Allah. They all taught that Allah is attributed with all the perfect attributes, one of which is that He does not resemble any of His creations. They taught what Allah ordered us to perform and to avoid in this life. They taught about the Judgment Day on which all of us will be judged as to whether or not we fulfilled our obligations in this life. None of them taught their people what contradicts the belief in the Oneness of Allah. Each one of them ordered his followers to believe in the rest of the prophets. Imam al-Bukhariyy related that Prophet Muhammad , sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, said:
which means: <<The prophets are like brothers from the same father with different mothers. Their Religion is one, although their Shari^ahs (rules of the Religion) differed. I am the most deserving of ^Isa (Jesus), the son of Maryam (Mary). There was no other prophet between us.>>

THE INJIL (The true bible)
^Isa(Jesus) ملاسلا هيلع received a Heavenly Book, the Injil, which contained the Shari^ah, (rules of the Religion) revealed to him. In it was the prohibition of associating partners with Allah. In it was the prohibition to consume the usurious gain (riba), pig meat, blood, and the meat of animals slaughtered inproperly. It contained the order to perform the Prayer (with bowing and prostration) twice a day. It had the order to fast (but other than the month of Ramadan), and the order to perform taharah (purification). Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع came with a Shari^ah(rules of the Religion) that made permissible some of the things which had been forbidden upon the children of Israel in the Torah. Although what is called ‘’The Bible'' today contains some true stories and alleged sayings of Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع, it does not contain the true Injil which was revealed to him.
http://www.aicp.org/IslamicInformat...h/PDF/Jesus.pdf

So in order for Jesus, Adam, Abraham and Moses to become muslim (as you have constantly stated) they had to believe Jesus did not die on the cross? How do you know jesus did or didn't die for sins?Who is this person who decided to take jesus place?
So the kid went through a transformation similar to how megatron was changed to galvatron and he became jesus and died?
THE ASCENSION OF PROPHET ^ISA
When Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was 33 years old, the blasphemers among the offspring of Israel plotted to kill him, but Allah saved him from their harm. Ibn Abi Hatim and an-Nasa'iyy narrated from the route of lbn ^Abbas that he said:
Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was in session with twelve of his elite companions in a house. He told them that some of them would blaspheme in the future. Then he asked them, ‘’Who among you would volunteer to be made to look like me, be killed in my place, and be my companion in Paradise.'' The youngest among them stood up and said, ‘’I.'' Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع told him to sit, then repeated his same question. Again, the same young man said, ‘’I.'' Again, Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع told him to sit, then asked the same question. After the same young man volunteered for the third time, Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع told him <<you are the one>>. Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was raised to the sky from an opening in the ceiling of the house. When the Jews came after Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع, they saw that young man, whom Allah made to look similars to
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^Isa ملاسلا هيلع. They took him, thinking he was Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع and crucified him
It should be noted here there are two widespread false stories about this matter. In one, it is claimed that one of ^Isa's students was paid a great sum of money to lead those Jews to ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع. However Allah made this student look like ^Isa سلا هيلعملا, so they thought he was ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع and they crucified him. In another, it is said that the person killed in place of ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was the leader of the Jews. Both of these stories are false.
After Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was raised to the heaven, his nation lived following his guidance, teaching, and methodology for two hundred (200) years. However, the nation of Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع did not remain steadfast to Islam. Many people who claimed to follow the rules of ^Isa perverted those rules and changed the statements of the Injil. Three hundred (300) years after Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع was raised to the sky, those who were following the ones who had perverted the teachings of Prophet ^Isa ملاسلا هيلع became very numerous, and those who were truly following the Religion of Islam were few and weak. After some five hundred (500) years, none of the believing Muslims of ^Isa's nation were left. When Prophet Muhammad began receiving Revelation, he was the only Muslim living among people on Earth, worshipping solely Allah.
http://www.aicp.org/IslamicInformat...h/PDF/Jesus.pdf


Didn't you just say in order to be a muslim you have to believe jesus did not die on the cross?
So how does one become a muslim? Adhere to the five pillars of islam, deny the death of jesus or believe in everything you have listed?
ALL PROPHETS BELIEVED IN THE 13 ATTRIBUTES OF GOD, PRAYER, FASTING, ZAKAT, AND THERE IS ONLY 1 GOD, AND YOU MUST BELIEVE EVERY PROPHET BELIEVED IN THE SAME GOD. EACH PROPHET HAD THE SAME BELIEF BUT DIFFERENT RULES AT THEIR TIME. FOR INSTANCE IN JESUS'S TIME: JESUS AND HIS PEOPLE HAD TO PRAY 2 TIMES PER DAY.

Moses and Jesus were not muslim and no historical or jewish texts will validate your claims. There is a true torah written by Moses. It is in a museum in Turkey. search the web and find it. What are the "well known items of islam" that Moses and Jesus believed in?

PROPHETS
Prophets are the greatest men that ever lived. Prophets received Revelation from Allah and conveyed it to the people. The prophets received the Revelations and conveyed them in the language that Allah ordered. The language of the scriptures is created, but Allah's Kalam (Speech)(3) is not. A messenger is a prophet who comes with abrogating some of the laws brought by the previous messenger or receives a new set of laws. Prophets were intelligent, trustworthy, and truthful. They never commit major sins and never leave their Religion. Many prophets have lived in the past. Muhammad, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him, who lived some 1400 years ago, was the last and greatest prophet.
2 Some angels may appear to people in the form of men, but without sexual organs.
3 The Kalam of Allah, has two meanings: one meaning refers to the eternal and everlasting attribute of Allah by which He orders, prohibits, promises, and threatens. Allah's Kalam is not composed of letters, words, language, or sound. The other meaning is the expression of Allah's eternal attribute which was revealed in the authentic Books of revelation that were given to the Prophets.
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Other prophets before Muhammad include: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph (son of Jacob), David, Solomon, Moses, and Jesus, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon all of them.
The true scriptures were Revelations received by the prophets. Moses and Jesus both received scriptures, but what are now called the Torah and the Bible have been tampered with by man and are not the true Revelations received by the great messengers Moses and Jesus. The only scripture which is unchanged and will never be changed is the Qur'an, which is the scripture Allah revealed to Muhammad , His last prophet, in clear and eloquent Arabic. Allah has promised to protect the Qur'an from any changes by man. Hence, it has remained unchanged since it was revealed some 1400 years ago. Unlike the prophets before him who were sent to a particular people, Muhammad  was sent to all people who would lived at his time and all people who would live after him until the Day of Judgment.


What is your definition of BELIEF?
belief, my definition, Is something u have been taught from someone else, that u figure out is the truth. U figure this out by thinking and proving it to yourself and other people will follow.

Gods speech is not a letter nor a sound, yet the quran which is the eternal speech of god (your words) must stay in a specific language. If it is not a letter or sound why is it written and why do you read it out loud?
The language of the scriptures is created, but Allah's Kalam (Speech) is not.

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shoowilla said:
Hutch, i currently have a break from school, iam going to reply to other post and God willing if i have time i will read yours dont think that im not reading your comments because it will change my mind. If you can show me a religion thats better than mine then i will go to that religion thats in the words of yusuf estes. So if you can show me that there is no God i will listen. You think muslims follow a religion blindly like most christians or jews or whatever? who go to church once a week? Muslims do worship 5 times a day, muslims get up before sunrise and worship you think they just do it without thinking that this is the ABSOLUTE truth? muslims are the most of aware of their religion, we dont do it just cause we do it because we know and we have the knowledge, debating with you guys give me more knowledge about my religion, therefore i welcome anything that you are going to say because i can give you an answer back, like i said islam is not only faith its faith and proof. And im not trying to turn you into a muslim or anybody only God can do that, its just that people are attacking islam with false misconceptions.
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hutch said:
Believe if you will, but understand that I and others like me will forever question your beliefs because they make absolutely no sense. Every message you have posted repeats the same statement, over and over again in different forms - 'God is great'. Sure, you might swap the word great for 'sees without eyes' or 'God doesn't need', but this repetitive jargon adds nothing to your argument. If you think that I will start believing in God if you can throw a thousand different versions of the statement 'God is great' at me, then you have serious mental problems.
Okay let me say this nice, and easy for ALL to understand. I Found religion by using my brain!. Period i don't care what u think, cuz i know my brain works great. I think 24 hours a day about every single situation in my life and every single belief.

First of all i never give u texts to read to prove there is a God. IT is simple logic proof. If there was a damn house in the desert. HOW DO U THINK IT GOT THERE? SOMEONE MUST HAVE BUILT IT.

U are telling us that God answers prayers not all the time. I really am not praying because im looking for him to bless me, make my life easier. NO FALSE. MISCONCEPTION.

WE ALL ARE BLESSED. SERIOUSLY. USE UR BRAIN FOR A MOMENT. If people die, this doesnt mean there is no God, and so on. EVERY SINGLE DAMN HUMAN BEING BREATHES OXYGEN. thats how God blesses all people. I thank God every single second im on earth, and u should too.