America: A Call to Greatness.
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isn't "militant christianity" an oxy-moron?
if you ask me, christianity is a major part of what's wrong with the world today, especially in america, where politics and religion, though supposedly seperated, are more like bed-buddies. christianity is hypocrisy at it's worst.... christianity - "the great white lie...." how can so many people believe something that is such an obvious fabrication? okay, back in the holy war days, during the crusades, I can see where people would have just bought in hook, line and sinker - the overall collective intelligence of humans was much lower back then.... but with the industrial and technological advances in the last 100 years that collective intelligence has certainly increased, or has it? the bible is full of contradictions and historical errors, not to mention sexism, racism, elitism and implausible, perhaps even impossible, scenarios.
wtf am I talking about, you ask? well, let's start with the adam and eve thing, as it covers nearly everything (contradictions and historical errors, sexism, racism, elitism, implausible\impossible scenarios). I won't go into the whole thing, if you are a "good christian" you should certainly know the story well.
I pose this question to the pro-christian element here in these forums: adam and eve had two sons, cain and able... and then? explain to me how we all got here if that's really the way it went down.
ps: if we were all standing in a room together and this topic came up for discussion, before saying anything else, I would say, "oh uh-uh.... oh hells know.... don't even get me started up on no religious debate, y'all.... oh uh-uh.... don't even go there...."
if you ask me, christianity is a major part of what's wrong with the world today, especially in america, where politics and religion, though supposedly seperated, are more like bed-buddies. christianity is hypocrisy at it's worst.... christianity - "the great white lie...." how can so many people believe something that is such an obvious fabrication? okay, back in the holy war days, during the crusades, I can see where people would have just bought in hook, line and sinker - the overall collective intelligence of humans was much lower back then.... but with the industrial and technological advances in the last 100 years that collective intelligence has certainly increased, or has it? the bible is full of contradictions and historical errors, not to mention sexism, racism, elitism and implausible, perhaps even impossible, scenarios.
wtf am I talking about, you ask? well, let's start with the adam and eve thing, as it covers nearly everything (contradictions and historical errors, sexism, racism, elitism, implausible\impossible scenarios). I won't go into the whole thing, if you are a "good christian" you should certainly know the story well.
I pose this question to the pro-christian element here in these forums: adam and eve had two sons, cain and able... and then? explain to me how we all got here if that's really the way it went down.
ps: if we were all standing in a room together and this topic came up for discussion, before saying anything else, I would say, "oh uh-uh.... oh hells know.... don't even get me started up on no religious debate, y'all.... oh uh-uh.... don't even go there...."
2-0-SIXX,
PER YOUR PERCEPTION. YOU SHOULD ALSO FOLLOW THE SAME ADVICE. YOU LABEL IT SOMETHIN' PER YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE MODERN DAY CLERgY AND WHAT THEY PREACH. ALL I'M SAYIN' IS TO KNOW WHAT YOU AgAINST AND TRY TO DISPROVE IT INSTEAD OF gOIN' OFF ASSUMPTIONS. IF SOMEBODY IS STRESSIN' SOME BULLSHIT I DISAgREE WITH , I'M gONNA DO MY BEST TO SEE WHERE THEY FAULTY PER THE FACTS OF THERY SOURCE. I'M PULLIN' THE BULLSHIT FROM THE ROOTS.
PER YOUR PERCEPTION. YOU SHOULD ALSO FOLLOW THE SAME ADVICE. YOU LABEL IT SOMETHIN' PER YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE MODERN DAY CLERgY AND WHAT THEY PREACH. ALL I'M SAYIN' IS TO KNOW WHAT YOU AgAINST AND TRY TO DISPROVE IT INSTEAD OF gOIN' OFF ASSUMPTIONS. IF SOMEBODY IS STRESSIN' SOME BULLSHIT I DISAgREE WITH , I'M gONNA DO MY BEST TO SEE WHERE THEY FAULTY PER THE FACTS OF THERY SOURCE. I'M PULLIN' THE BULLSHIT FROM THE ROOTS.
I do know what I'm against. I don’t need to know every little detail to know something is bullshit, for the same reasons you don’t need to know every little detail about other gods you dismiss, such as the old Greek gods that I’m sure you believe are bs.
It is logically and scientifically impossible for the preposterous story of Noah's arch. For one, it's impossible to fit every animal into a boat (there are nearly 100 million animal species, not to mention you need more then 2 of every animal in order to reproduce, plus animals require food to live so the boat not only would have to carry +2 of each animal, it would also have to hold tons and tons of food) and number 2, there is no evidence of a worldwide flood PERIOD. Noah’s Arch is so absurd it is insulting to any human being with a thinking brain. We can get into the details if you'd like to venture down that path.
Are you referring to Adam & Eve? If so, it is logically and scientifically impossible. For one, it can be proven false through one simple concept: Genetic bottlenecking. Populations of organisms need genetic diversity in order to produce successful offspring. If there is not enough genetic diversity, then the following generations will be born with defects which then become more and more harsh until the population is unable to sustain itself and dies out. There are many other reasons that scientifically dismiss the flawed story of Adam & Eve.
It is logically and scientifically impossible for the preposterous story of Noah's arch. For one, it's impossible to fit every animal into a boat (there are nearly 100 million animal species, not to mention you need more then 2 of every animal in order to reproduce, plus animals require food to live so the boat not only would have to carry +2 of each animal, it would also have to hold tons and tons of food) and number 2, there is no evidence of a worldwide flood PERIOD. Noah’s Arch is so absurd it is insulting to any human being with a thinking brain. We can get into the details if you'd like to venture down that path.
Are you referring to Adam & Eve? If so, it is logically and scientifically impossible. For one, it can be proven false through one simple concept: Genetic bottlenecking. Populations of organisms need genetic diversity in order to produce successful offspring. If there is not enough genetic diversity, then the following generations will be born with defects which then become more and more harsh until the population is unable to sustain itself and dies out. There are many other reasons that scientifically dismiss the flawed story of Adam & Eve.
There are two things I find scary about the quotes in the first post of this thread;
'Without a renewed acknowledgment of accountability to our Creator, America will perish'
Thats been the problem with not only America, but also the rest of the world for far too long. Accountability to our creator? Be accountable for your own actions for crying out loud! Don't try to pass the blame off onto 'God' or some other hypothetical being (I may be an athiest, but I like religion - it still has its place in todays society). I just hate it when people hide behind 'God' when they do fucked up shit. 'He's' not like our mother - you can't blame 'him' for the way he 'raised' us.
Also;
'I have believed, and taught, that only two nations ever were ordained of God for Greatness! Israel and America!'
This guy is a complete fucking tosser, someone needs to shove a pool que up his arse. Wankers like these give religion a bad name.
'Without a renewed acknowledgment of accountability to our Creator, America will perish'
Thats been the problem with not only America, but also the rest of the world for far too long. Accountability to our creator? Be accountable for your own actions for crying out loud! Don't try to pass the blame off onto 'God' or some other hypothetical being (I may be an athiest, but I like religion - it still has its place in todays society). I just hate it when people hide behind 'God' when they do fucked up shit. 'He's' not like our mother - you can't blame 'him' for the way he 'raised' us.
Also;
'I have believed, and taught, that only two nations ever were ordained of God for Greatness! Israel and America!'
This guy is a complete fucking tosser, someone needs to shove a pool que up his arse. Wankers like these give religion a bad name.
The word 'fact' does not have it's place in that quote. There are no facts in religion. When it comes to religion, I don't see why us 'non-believers' have to disprove Gods existence. It is impossible to disprove god - as they say, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But when someone asks why I do not believe in God, they always criticize my answer (because God does not exist). I will never 'believe' in God. If someone can prove that he exists, beliefs won't be required and I will 'know' that he exists. But until that day (the metaphorical hell will freeze over first I'm afraid), I wish people would stop preaching to me.
Prove that he doesn't exist? why should I have to? It's up to you to prove that he DOES exist. Until then, keep your fairytales to yourself.
Prove that he doesn't exist? why should I have to? It's up to you to prove that he DOES exist. Until then, keep your fairytales to yourself.
huh. funny, using the term "fact" when referring to the bible. fitting, though... I suppose. so, you actually believe that stuff? you buyin' into that whole adam & eve deal? you buyin' into the whole biblical thing then? so, then, you must also believe that your god is all knowing, all loving and all seeing? isn't that how it goes? correct me if I'm wrong on that, but that's what I get from what I've read. god is all knowing, all loving and all seeing.
so, assuming that to be true, wouldn't that mean that before he ever even thought about creating all of this, he already knew how everything would turn out? "all knowing..." he knew eve would eat the apple, yet he still put it there. huh. and on an even larger scale, wouldn't he also then know what has, is and will become of this planet and all the people on it? god knew all this would happen, yet he went ahead and set it up anyways? what kind of a sick, twisted fuck is this god of yours?
there is so much information, backed by hard, scientific factual data, that disproves creationism/christianity, that it is incomprehensible to me how/why so many people still buy into it. I must assume that this is due to either:
-lack of education
-lack of intelligence
-ignorance, or
-weak mindedness,
or some combination thereof.
where is the factual data, the information, the science, that proves the existence of god? the bible? hahahahahahaha.... c'mon now, it's a story, but factual? I think not.
what really scares me is that those same people - the ignorant, the weakminded... the ones who lack intelligence - are allowed to vote... and own guns... and drive cars... and reproduce.
so, assuming that to be true, wouldn't that mean that before he ever even thought about creating all of this, he already knew how everything would turn out? "all knowing..." he knew eve would eat the apple, yet he still put it there. huh. and on an even larger scale, wouldn't he also then know what has, is and will become of this planet and all the people on it? god knew all this would happen, yet he went ahead and set it up anyways? what kind of a sick, twisted fuck is this god of yours?
there is so much information, backed by hard, scientific factual data, that disproves creationism/christianity, that it is incomprehensible to me how/why so many people still buy into it. I must assume that this is due to either:
-lack of education
-lack of intelligence
-ignorance, or
-weak mindedness,
or some combination thereof.
where is the factual data, the information, the science, that proves the existence of god? the bible? hahahahahahaha.... c'mon now, it's a story, but factual? I think not.
what really scares me is that those same people - the ignorant, the weakminded... the ones who lack intelligence - are allowed to vote... and own guns... and drive cars... and reproduce.
Let me briefly outline why I made the remark earlier about Europeans. Mind you these are based only on my interactions with European college students, professors and low to mid level politicians...
1. America is evil- There is a common belief developing in Europe that America is an evil empire. Some may call it evil, some say its not evil, I prefer to leave the bullshit adjectives out and call it an "empire." Contrary to popular belief, America has not clandestinely designed a grand strategy to take over the world and wipe out culture...America doesnt need to because quite a few places have gradually acculturated Americanism into their own cultures...which brings me to my next point....
2. Americans are materialistic- Europeans hate American culture because it stems from the success of the individual and the drive of a consumer based society based on material goods...yet...they wear American jeans, American shoes, American baseball hats, listen to American rock and American hip hop, watch American TV and American movies, and feed into all the pop culture mainstream bullshit that causes this message board to run as counter culture. Despite having some aspects of socialism, their economy still relies on capitalism. Which also explains something else...
3. Jealousy- Europe's days of running the show lasted a good 400 or so years but since WWI America has become the dominant actor in world affairs...not just economically and militarily, but also politically and culturally. No other country has single handedly done so much for the world in the last 100 years than America... victory after American entry in WWI, Victory after American entry into WWII, victory in the Cold War, the development of democracy as a trend since the 1970s across the globe...as well as innovation: computers, fighter jets, medicines, television and radio, cars, etc. Of course, America has its flaws too, as we all know since they are constantly posted on this board...but they don't call the 20th Century the American century for nothin. Europe is increasingly re-emerging as a global player, but they wish they had the power that America carries on the world stage.
4. George W. Bush- What an evil, evil, evil man! Europeans love to throw around adjectives without thinking about their true meaning. Personally, I hate Bush, AND I think he's a fuckin idiot...but lets be real here, he's not the son of Satan...and in fact, the case for invading Iraq was quite logical if you look at the 17 UN resolutions Sadaam violated, the genocide he performed on Kurds and other dissenting demographics, his attempts to previously accquire WMD, and payments he makes to suicide bombers and Anti-Israel groups in the middle east...what wasnt logical was doing it unilaterally...which brings me to my last point...
5. INACTION- Europeans love to sit around and bitch about how Americans are imperialistic and a "Hyper Power," but when when you ask them "what has your country done" to help a given situation...u tend to get a blank stare. Try it sometime...ive even done it to a professor. The truth is they dont DO ANYTHING!
Let me elaborate on this...2003 Iraq war. What do the Europeans do...well, in spite of massive evidence that should have generated a UN resolution to war, France and Russia veto. Why do France and Russia veto? Probably because they were illegally shipping Iraq military equipment like anti-tank missiles which have led to the death of several dozen American soldiers...or maybe it was the 20 billion plus debt the Iraqi government owed that wouldnt be paid back...or it was because of all the current contracts they had with the Iraqi government...in any case, acting in their own self interest...realism still best explains their reasons to veto. What the fuck happened to all that morality talk, the good/evil card that Europeans love to play??? When it comes to real desicions, morality holds very little weight. Any moral leader would want Sadaam disposed of, but in reality, to European leaders, the BEST action for their own INTEREST was the call of the day...the same as it is for any leader.
The UN is worthless...why...not because America went to war without its approval...because it couldnt get the approval in the first place! Besides that, Europeans love to point out the bad guy and then sit back and bandwagon on American military power...then turn full circle and condemn everything America have done when the conflict is over. Kosovo was initially seen as a success until information came out that showed that more people died of genocide during the war then before...and then America got hammered for goin in there by Europeans...anyone think it would be just a little odd that Europeans with all their morality and goodness wouldnt even stop a fist fight in their own backyard before it turned into massive genocide? Then when it became obvious that something needed to be done had American (NATO is the exact word, but America seems to be pretty good at fighting under the NATO/UN flag) forces handle the business?
The Europeans are trying to help out in Iran and Khoemani has "ceased" Uranium enrichement, if you actually believe that given he has 10-15 known and several unknown nuclear facilities, but negotiations have been goin on forever and the freeze is temporary. Europeans love using carrots but never use enough sticks... The history of WWI and WWII makes Europeans a lot more cautious about military force, which makes since, but also means that they will sit at the table and bullshit for too long...we'll see if they make a real strive with Iran or not.
Dont get me wrong, I question my government as much as everyone here, and I love Europeans. To say a few goof things about them, they are generally well educated, speak several languages, are unique individuals and are very respectful and interesting...but dont let them brainwash you with a bunch of anti-American bullshit.
If any of you have seen the movie Team America, there is a beautiful analogy about dicks, pussies, and assholes. In case you couldnt figure it out, the Dicks are the Americans, the Assholes are North Korea, Iraq, Iran, "Outposts of Tyranny" and the Pussies are the Europeans.
1. America is evil- There is a common belief developing in Europe that America is an evil empire. Some may call it evil, some say its not evil, I prefer to leave the bullshit adjectives out and call it an "empire." Contrary to popular belief, America has not clandestinely designed a grand strategy to take over the world and wipe out culture...America doesnt need to because quite a few places have gradually acculturated Americanism into their own cultures...which brings me to my next point....
2. Americans are materialistic- Europeans hate American culture because it stems from the success of the individual and the drive of a consumer based society based on material goods...yet...they wear American jeans, American shoes, American baseball hats, listen to American rock and American hip hop, watch American TV and American movies, and feed into all the pop culture mainstream bullshit that causes this message board to run as counter culture. Despite having some aspects of socialism, their economy still relies on capitalism. Which also explains something else...
3. Jealousy- Europe's days of running the show lasted a good 400 or so years but since WWI America has become the dominant actor in world affairs...not just economically and militarily, but also politically and culturally. No other country has single handedly done so much for the world in the last 100 years than America... victory after American entry in WWI, Victory after American entry into WWII, victory in the Cold War, the development of democracy as a trend since the 1970s across the globe...as well as innovation: computers, fighter jets, medicines, television and radio, cars, etc. Of course, America has its flaws too, as we all know since they are constantly posted on this board...but they don't call the 20th Century the American century for nothin. Europe is increasingly re-emerging as a global player, but they wish they had the power that America carries on the world stage.
4. George W. Bush- What an evil, evil, evil man! Europeans love to throw around adjectives without thinking about their true meaning. Personally, I hate Bush, AND I think he's a fuckin idiot...but lets be real here, he's not the son of Satan...and in fact, the case for invading Iraq was quite logical if you look at the 17 UN resolutions Sadaam violated, the genocide he performed on Kurds and other dissenting demographics, his attempts to previously accquire WMD, and payments he makes to suicide bombers and Anti-Israel groups in the middle east...what wasnt logical was doing it unilaterally...which brings me to my last point...
5. INACTION- Europeans love to sit around and bitch about how Americans are imperialistic and a "Hyper Power," but when when you ask them "what has your country done" to help a given situation...u tend to get a blank stare. Try it sometime...ive even done it to a professor. The truth is they dont DO ANYTHING!
Let me elaborate on this...2003 Iraq war. What do the Europeans do...well, in spite of massive evidence that should have generated a UN resolution to war, France and Russia veto. Why do France and Russia veto? Probably because they were illegally shipping Iraq military equipment like anti-tank missiles which have led to the death of several dozen American soldiers...or maybe it was the 20 billion plus debt the Iraqi government owed that wouldnt be paid back...or it was because of all the current contracts they had with the Iraqi government...in any case, acting in their own self interest...realism still best explains their reasons to veto. What the fuck happened to all that morality talk, the good/evil card that Europeans love to play??? When it comes to real desicions, morality holds very little weight. Any moral leader would want Sadaam disposed of, but in reality, to European leaders, the BEST action for their own INTEREST was the call of the day...the same as it is for any leader.
The UN is worthless...why...not because America went to war without its approval...because it couldnt get the approval in the first place! Besides that, Europeans love to point out the bad guy and then sit back and bandwagon on American military power...then turn full circle and condemn everything America have done when the conflict is over. Kosovo was initially seen as a success until information came out that showed that more people died of genocide during the war then before...and then America got hammered for goin in there by Europeans...anyone think it would be just a little odd that Europeans with all their morality and goodness wouldnt even stop a fist fight in their own backyard before it turned into massive genocide? Then when it became obvious that something needed to be done had American (NATO is the exact word, but America seems to be pretty good at fighting under the NATO/UN flag) forces handle the business?
The Europeans are trying to help out in Iran and Khoemani has "ceased" Uranium enrichement, if you actually believe that given he has 10-15 known and several unknown nuclear facilities, but negotiations have been goin on forever and the freeze is temporary. Europeans love using carrots but never use enough sticks... The history of WWI and WWII makes Europeans a lot more cautious about military force, which makes since, but also means that they will sit at the table and bullshit for too long...we'll see if they make a real strive with Iran or not.
Dont get me wrong, I question my government as much as everyone here, and I love Europeans. To say a few goof things about them, they are generally well educated, speak several languages, are unique individuals and are very respectful and interesting...but dont let them brainwash you with a bunch of anti-American bullshit.
If any of you have seen the movie Team America, there is a beautiful analogy about dicks, pussies, and assholes. In case you couldnt figure it out, the Dicks are the Americans, the Assholes are North Korea, Iraq, Iran, "Outposts of Tyranny" and the Pussies are the Europeans.
some awesome and informative facts but concerning the iraq war, you really think the government is out there to truly liberate the iraqy people, the people Bush calls our friends?That money greed and power arent playing a major fucking role? and as for the certain european countries not backin america on the war, of course theres probably some hidden debts and connections but nothing that america hasnt had in the past, there mostly socialist countries unlike the capitalist empire.The masses of people actually have a big say in day to day events that are expressed by there government, and unlike many americans when shit doesnt go as they would like for it to go, they stand up in the masses and let the gov know they arent ok with there decicions, i know for a fact that many french spanish and german people didnt understand americas stance on the bush election because of the close win, no one really did shit the day after the elections, everyone just took what they were given and didnt put up a fight in the slightest.In europe you can find manifestations going on practically weekly at local town halls and capitals.The masses come together as a true society and work together to get answers force in hand or not. But you did bring some very interesting and itteligent facts to the table, but towards the end your thoughts on european actions were a little one sided.Aparently europe has the potential to be a bigger force then america in the near future if all goes as planned with the european consitution, even with france and netherlands giving the no
Do you ever shut the fuck up. Ill I ever see you doing is complaining about America. Your not about anything important. In fact your part of the problem with people blamming America for the way the world is. I love America its really the only place you can do anything. Now the problem is the greed. Sadam was as greedy as the rest. Its not about Americans and Iraqis its about human beings. You talk about shit all the time and dont help out. Why dont you go to a soup kitchen or something and help out, a thrift store to help give out clothes, give to the poor. Thinking and writing doesnt solve shit. Darwin, Marx, Camus and others like them didnt do shit but write and think. Thats the problem people want to sit around all day and think of a better way, get the fuck up and make it a better way. Concentrate on the poor here and hungry here. Fuck helping some third world shit hole when we have starving people and kids here. Fuck all the aid to Africa, Iraq, and other countries. Move out of their country and close our borders, open them for trade only. Revamp the Government to no Government. We dont need them. It all starts with a single action get out and do yours.
LMAO, I didn’t say one fucking thing about Amerikkka you mental midget. Why the fuck do you even post in the Gathering of Minds? Clearly you don’t have an intelligent bone in your body and topics discussing 50 Cent, Jay Z and other mainstream rap "artists" are your true passion. Go back to the General Rap forum or wherever the fuck you post and stop posting irrelevant babble.
I just a peasant but I'd like to know know when gathering of the minds became battle of the minds. I like what S4 said about taking action but I also think that disscusion is a crucial part of finding a soloution. you all obviously have something good to say. some of which i may not agree with but I should still respect your opinion as yours. once i belittle you for what you believe - i feed into the cycle of fear. 20sixx -keep reppin that real shit
RobS4 is fucking idiot. He comes in here once a month and huffs and puffs on a couple threads and disappears back into his cave. He says the same bull shit every time. I’ve told this piece of shit on numerous occasions what I do in the streets, what I’m about, what organizations I’m active with, what I do in the community, the newspaper I write for etc. etc. etc. I guess he blocks that shit out every single time and thinks that we here in the GOM only post on this forum and do nothing else.
2-0 you talk a big game but i highly doubt your about anything. When you can stop me from posting on here then try it. Until then sit in your seat like a good little student. You diss religion like your actually some intellectual. All you do is google up stuff and then serve it here on the Siccness. You can talk bad about me all you want but I doubt you would say anything to anyones face at all. I dont even need to speak about you because its a waste of my time. Iam adressing the lame thought that you hold that I dont know what I speak about. Iam still learning about life but you seem to have it all summed up dont you 2-0. Go diss religions and other people on the net because I highly doubt you will do it live. You move to Iraq yet? <Knock, Knock> well I think that your internet time is up better get back to the books.