ALL B.S ASIDE DO YOU BELEAVE IN GOD?
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It's all just a bunch of "yada yada yada" with absolutely NO substance.
Man can only gain knowledge through his senses. Nothing else. We have only came so far through logic. To believe in mysterious forces is to go against logic and is irrational thinking. If logic and our senses are the only methods of gaining knowledge, then how does 916 come to the conclusion that there is a god?
Familiar with the three laws of logic?
1. The Law of Identity: For things, the law asserts that "A" is A," or "anything is itself." For propositions: "If a proposition is true, then it is true."
2. The Law of Excluded Middle: For things: "Anything is either A or not-A." For propositions: "A proposition, such as P, is either true or false."
3. The Law of Contradiction: For things: "Nothing can be both A and not-A". For propositions: "A proposition, P, cannot be both true and false"
These principles are simple enough, but I'm sure 916 is foolish enough to deny them outright. The funny thing is, 916 uses these same laws on a daily basis and yet, I know he will "pretend" they can be false. But how?
It all boils down to "FAITH". Faith is belief without, or in spite of, REASON.
Atheism is a commitment to rationality. The Conviction that man's mind is fully competent to know the facts of reality and that there is no aspect of the universe that is closed to rational scrutiny. Atheism is simply a commitment to reason. Now you can see where we differ. It's not necessarilly about "god". It's a way of thinking. Logic vs. Illogic. I will not accept the existence of god or any other "mysterious force" on faith because I completely reject faith as a valid method of gaining knowledge.
An idea or belief in ones mind does not constitue knowledge. One can have false ideas and false beliefs. If man is to acquire knowledge, he must have a method of distinguishing fact from fiction. To qualify as knowledge, a belief must be justified. It must warrant acceptance by rational standards. If a belief meets the requirements of these standards, it is a rational belief. If a belief cannot meet these requirements, it is an irrational belief.
"A. a belief must be based on evidence
B. a belief must be internally consistent
C. a belief cannot contradict previously validated knowledge with which it is to be integrated. "
If a belief fails to meet any or all of these, it cannot be considered knowledge.
I see that 916 occasionally throws in the word "reason" or "logic" from time to time. But the simple fact remains that all versions of religion eventually fall on the concept of faith. Through faith theists claim to transcent reason and gain knowledge. "To embrace faith is to abandon reason."
"Faith: The commintment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof."
Man can only gain knowledge through his senses. Nothing else. We have only came so far through logic. To believe in mysterious forces is to go against logic and is irrational thinking. If logic and our senses are the only methods of gaining knowledge, then how does 916 come to the conclusion that there is a god?
Familiar with the three laws of logic?
1. The Law of Identity: For things, the law asserts that "A" is A," or "anything is itself." For propositions: "If a proposition is true, then it is true."
2. The Law of Excluded Middle: For things: "Anything is either A or not-A." For propositions: "A proposition, such as P, is either true or false."
3. The Law of Contradiction: For things: "Nothing can be both A and not-A". For propositions: "A proposition, P, cannot be both true and false"
These principles are simple enough, but I'm sure 916 is foolish enough to deny them outright. The funny thing is, 916 uses these same laws on a daily basis and yet, I know he will "pretend" they can be false. But how?
It all boils down to "FAITH". Faith is belief without, or in spite of, REASON.
Atheism is a commitment to rationality. The Conviction that man's mind is fully competent to know the facts of reality and that there is no aspect of the universe that is closed to rational scrutiny. Atheism is simply a commitment to reason. Now you can see where we differ. It's not necessarilly about "god". It's a way of thinking. Logic vs. Illogic. I will not accept the existence of god or any other "mysterious force" on faith because I completely reject faith as a valid method of gaining knowledge.
An idea or belief in ones mind does not constitue knowledge. One can have false ideas and false beliefs. If man is to acquire knowledge, he must have a method of distinguishing fact from fiction. To qualify as knowledge, a belief must be justified. It must warrant acceptance by rational standards. If a belief meets the requirements of these standards, it is a rational belief. If a belief cannot meet these requirements, it is an irrational belief.
"A. a belief must be based on evidence
B. a belief must be internally consistent
C. a belief cannot contradict previously validated knowledge with which it is to be integrated. "
If a belief fails to meet any or all of these, it cannot be considered knowledge.
I see that 916 occasionally throws in the word "reason" or "logic" from time to time. But the simple fact remains that all versions of religion eventually fall on the concept of faith. Through faith theists claim to transcent reason and gain knowledge. "To embrace faith is to abandon reason."
"Faith: The commintment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof."
And this is it?? LOL... that you could not even address what I said specifically. That you will fail, so let us move the goal posts! LOL...
Of course knowledge is gained *through* the senses. But absolutism cannot be known by the inductive method. That is imperfect speculation. One cannot gain knowledge by speculation with imperfect senses. but, perfect knowledge can deduce down from One who is perfect in it. That is LOGIC. Faith is having the conviction that if I follow what God tells me to do, I will achieve all perfection.
You say "mysterious forces", that just means that you do not know these forces. That is all. A long time ago, lightning might have been thought of as mysterious forces because we didn't have the understanding for it's circumstances.
What I speak of on these threads may be mysterious to you, but the case is obviously different for me.
Any further arguments?
NO ONE CAN PROVE THERE IS A GOD, OR THAT THERE ISNT....JUST LIKE NO ONE CAN PROVE THAT THE WORLD DOESNT REVOLVES AROUND THEM....JUST LIKE NO ONE CAN PROVE YOUR LIFE IS JUST A DREAM AND THAT EVENTUALLY WELL ALL WAKE UP....JUST LIKE NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN MIRACLES....I BELIEVE IN GOD AND THE CATHOLIC RELIGION....I KNOW THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT BELIVE IN GOD BECAUSE THEY'RE PRAYERS WERE NOT ANSWERED. OTHER DO NOT BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE THINGS MOST CATHOLICS DO....PEOPLE ARENT PERFECT....CATHOLIC,JEW,MUSLIM, ANY RELIGION CAN MAKE MISTAKES....BUT CATHOLIC, AND MUSLIMS HAVE THE MOST FOLLOWERS....THUS THEY MAKE THE MOST MISTAKES....I THINK ATHIESTS CAN GO AHEAD AND NOT BELIEVE IN GOD....BUT WHEN THEY TALK SHIT ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS IS JUST NOT RIGHT....BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS IF GOD EXSISTS OR NOT....NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG....SO I FOLLOW THE BIBLE TO GIVE ME A SENSE OF THE THINGS I SHOULD OR SHOULDNT DO....I DONT THINK EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE IS CORRECT....THATS WHY I ONLY FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS....NOT BECAUSE OF FEAR OF BURNING IN HELL....BUT BECAUSE THEY MAKE SENSE TO ME....IM NOT GONNA SAY IVE NEVER BROKEN A LAW, BECAUSE I HAVE, BUT AND MAYB TO SOCIETY I AM NOT A GOOD PERSON BUT I KNOW THAT SPIRITUALLY I AM GOOD....I DONT HAVE A HEAVY CONTOINCE....ATHEISTS CAN GO AHEAD AND NOT BELIEVE IN GOD....BUT WHEN I THINK OF GOD I THINK ITS ANYONE OR ANYTHING THAT HELPS YOU GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GO....LIKE THE BIBLE....IT MIGHT NOT BE EXACTLY WHAT GOD WANTS FROM US....BUT THATS WHY NOT EVERYHTING IN IT IS TRUE....SO DO ATHIESTS NOT SEE HELP FROM ANYTHING OR ANYONE? BECAUSE ISNT THAT BASICALLY WHAT THE BIBLE AND GOD IS DOING? TRYING TO HELP YOU LEAD A GOOD LIFE? I KNOW THAT ATHIESTS BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE DOESNT SHOW YOU WHAT A GOOD LIFE IS....BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT... DO YOU?
the idea of experimentation leading into so-called "proof" pertaining to the absolute is all nonsense. It is as pointless as trying to count to infinity. You couldn't even prove to me that you are hungry. If you say "I'm hungry", and I say, "prove it!"... What are you going to do?? Proof of God is that we accept that something does not come from nothing. The concept of God is the supreme something from which all things come. Anything else, or anything less than this understanding is some level of ignorance. There is no scientific theory that can touch the nature of the absolute. Material science cannot go there, and they will admit this.
"Religion without science is sentiment. Science without religion is mental speculation." -Srila Prabhupada
"Religion without science is sentiment. Science without religion is mental speculation." -Srila Prabhupada