ALL B.S ASIDE DO YOU BELEAVE IN GOD?

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 21, 2004

atheists have no standard. Thus their knowledge is stolen by illusion.

Yes, I "believe" in God. Not only that, it is accepted that there must in fact be a God. There is not even a question about it. Atheists have no argument that will hold. Perfect logic is deductive, and it is in that way that knowledge deduces down to us from The Supreme Knower. Without God, deductive logic has no meaning. Without God there is no standard to decide what is good or bad, true or false. Atheists depend on imperfect sense perception. They serve Maya (illusion).

miggidy · Mar 22, 2004

I believe in "The One"....
I've met Him a while back, and He's a close friend.
I speak to Him through my mind and He speaks back.
He gives me the best advice above anyone in this world and He's never wrong.

Who is "The One"?
I don't know but He sure knows everything.
Some might call Him God, I just call Him a Friend....

Could I be talking with my own mind? Maybe.
But what ever the case is, He is my guide and He's yet to let me down....

PS.... Did I mention that He is very powerful? He makes anything possible....

odogfelon · Mar 22, 2004

I don't believe in GOD's of religions, But I hope that when I die, there is another plane.

karloz · Mar 22, 2004

I no longer believe in God. I was raised Catholic, did all that Catholics are supposed to do. I thought I believed in God and what Catholics represented. But then I realized that in no point of my life have I felt God's presence, had signs of him even existing, or ever felt anything spiritual around me. I'm 25 years old, if there was a God, I think I would've seen a sign by now. I've got nothing against anybody's God or religion, and I would never insult anybody or put down anybody's beliefs. I just personally don't worship a God anymore, and have felt no need to. I'm a good person, never had a real enemy in my life, and I keep my family and friends at the top of my list. When my family is praying, I do it along with them. I have no meaning behind it, but I feel that it's disrespectfull to walk out the room, or just sit there and watch the rest of them pray. If I'm at a wedding or funeral for a family member or friend, I go along with the mass and am not rude about me not feeling what they're saying. I mix in, and show no signs of non-belief... kuz again, that's just rude. I've been this way since I was about 19. No one that knows has ever gotten mad at me about it, or has thought of me as being a bad person. I don't consider myself an Atheist, kuz I'm not going to get into arguments over God and other people's beliefs, or insult someone over it. I just personally don't have feel a need to have a God.

One of the reasons that kinda pushed me away ... I used to see the most God loving, church going, and innocent people at church. They would discuss how horrible their life has been, with deaths surrounding their whole family, but would still love Jesus, God, Mary, etc. I mean, religion was everything to them, they devoted many hours a week to religious activities, prayers, rosaries... I doubt it's helped them, and I bet they're still struggling. Then, you'll have the most non-religious person, who has a piece of shit evil personality, but has had nothing but the best of luck and lives a comfortable life with no real trajedies in their life up till the day that they die. I mean, the whole bad things happening to good people, and good things happening to bad people thing really just makes me think that if there was a God, things like that just wouldn't be happening.

MEXCOM · Mar 22, 2004

karloz said:

I think that because there IS a God, shit like that happens.
Anyways I do believe in God.

m.w.merlino · Mar 22, 2004

i dont believe in god

saying atheists have no standards is about the most backwards thing you can say -- our standards are too high for a religion based on faith and is principally uncsoundddddddd

Ironic Commando · Mar 23, 2004

karloz said:

keep in mind that this world is only a test and you really havent acomplished anything untill you die. thats if you believe in religion.

miggidy · Mar 23, 2004

karloz said:

I'm not tryin to debate you, but only to enlighten you.
I went through the same shit, so I feel compelled to say something....
You ain't lookin right.... In other words, you're not tuned in.
Once you are, it will become very clear to you.
You're looking for God in the physical sense but you can find him with in you.
Catholicism is all about a middle man, you need a priest to do this and that for you. Even speak to God for you.... Well you need to cut the middle man and become Friends with God, personally.
Jesus says, "seek and you shall find".... If you really want to get to know Him and if you are passionate about it, call Him. Ask him to come into your life, and He will reveal Himself.... You just have to really want it....

karloz said:

You put God first, then everything else will fall into place.
Trust me on this, I had nothing but bad luck when I was a lost soul.
Shit was getting worse by the day as I sunk into darkness.
I was in a self induced pit of violence....
But that all changed when I became friends with the "One"....
Everyone suffers, good or bad but it is only man who is to blame.
None of us are entitled to anything and life is only what we make out of it.
You bring God into your life and good things will happen to you.
People who are wicked will some day get caught up. It's NEVER a happy ending for them cuz what goes around comes around. Sooner or later, they end up paying for their actions and I'm not even talking about the afterlife. All of them pay in this life as well.

Think about all this for a while.
You're not totally lost yet so at least ponder on this shit for a little longer.
Don't call it quits when you are so close....

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 23, 2004

KrypticFlowz said:

Atheists have standards that they create and often change through time. But that is not a true standard. If you create a standard and I create a standard then what *STANDARD* do we look to when our concocted standards disagree??

The standard must be an objective reality that we all can live by. God is the only One qualified to be that standard.

559_Soldado · Mar 23, 2004

i was a raised catholic, but when i was around 15 or 16, i started realizing all the priests and bishops were all fake ass saps, My whole church was fake, they were just out makin fetti. I still believed in god but i got all caught up with the streets and i didnt turn back to the lord until i was about 21. 1 thing that helped me is this tv show that comes on called "JACK VAN IMPE PRESENTS...." were this guy reads out news headlines from the week and shows how they relate to the bible. This guy is a trip he even memorized the old testament. but newayz i started readin the bible and i know now all the shit ive been through, that God was only testin my faith, seein if I would still believe in him no matter what. I dont blame him for what has happend to me, but i know everyday will be a struggle.

559_Soldado · Mar 23, 2004

Im not trying to hate on the athiests, i know you are just tryin to find your own purpose in life, but like the saying goes

"THE GREATEST TRICK THE DEVIL EVER PULLED IS FOOLING THE WORLD HE DOES NOT EXIST"

m.w.merlino · Mar 25, 2004

n9newunsixx5150 said:

this is where you lost me dog....thats my whole reason in life for bein atheist is SHEDDING STANDARDS AND RAISING THE BAR TO WHATEVER LEVEL I DECIDE IN LIFE...livin is too complicated to throw standards too i try to think outside the box with everything i do...i live without "standards" that others make...and why should my standards have to meet yours?

2-0-Sixx · Mar 25, 2004

Why dont I believe? Hmmm

BaSICCally · Mar 25, 2004

WHO ARE YOU? you talk to yourself every single day. Your mind cannot stop thinking. As much as you try you cannot stop questioning the world around you. Yet you hardly know who you are. You are much more then you think you are.

Have you weighed out all the evidence? have you read both sides of the arguments? Do you know all the arguments from antiquity till present day. Humans have questioned and worshiped the existence of God or a higher being since the first humans. Of course they did not have a written language hence the usage of cave art and hieroglyphics. Now we have religious texts which have been misuesed as tools against and for societies.

With that said I feel the Atheist is in chains looking at the cave wall. Yet they fail to understand what they are looking at is a cave wall or that of illusion. Once they realize that they are in a cave of illsuion and break free from the chains and weigh out all the evidence. Read all the books they find about the existence of God, the great classics, and take a strong approach to search for themselves. Then the disbeliver will be set free from illusion. If the unbeliver breaks from the chains weighs out all the evidence like a good judge, yet is still not convicened. Then I can respect their Authority. Till then the Atheist arguments falls on deaf ears.

If you feel your argument is so strong are you willing to walk up to the steps of Harvard or Oxford and plead your case aggainst God? If not you have a lot of work and reading to do. Before that soul searching.

2-0-Sixx · Mar 25, 2004

^So much emptiness in what you wrote. The third paragraph especially.

Who cares about Harvard or Oxford? Last time I checked, Atheists came from both of those schools, so what's your point?

I would walk up those steps, Tim, and I would ask anyone to prove the existance of god. And you know what Tim? not one person would be able to succeed. Remember, it is not up to the Atheist to disprove god, it is up to the theist to prove its existance.

BaSICCally · Mar 25, 2004

Of course it was "empty" or I perfer Simplistic/Zen like. What I am trying to say is that if you go to Oxford or Harvard and truly press and test the "system of thought" then one can hold authority. All religion and or the existence of God is based upon authority.

How do you know New York exists? Well by pictures, the news, testimony from others and previous knowledge. Other then that you cannot without a resonable doubt prove that New York exists unless you are right there. You only have faith that New York exists from the authority of outside resources.

So then we get into the authority and reliable resource game. Outside resources which like I stated earlier have been around since the begining of Man. Who have discussed and argued the existence of God. There are countless books about the subject some good some poor. The good ones have enticed thought which has brought me to the conclusion that God exists.

Nobody has nor nobody will prove the existence of God. Were all limited.

Formaldehyde Rx · Mar 26, 2004

1 thing that helped me is this tv show that comes on called "JACK VAN IMPE PRESENTS...." were this guy reads out news headlines from the week and shows how they relate to the bible.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Formaldehyde Rx · Mar 26, 2004

The sad truth is that god if he exists does not care enough about you to present himself to you.

Oh that world of being and becoming absoulute standards molding reality shit is completely retarded.

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 26, 2004

KrypticFlowz said:

But if you accept no objective standard then how can you know whether or not you are "raising the bar"? This is all speculation. You create your own standard in order to "raise the bar" amid your own mental concoction for what is higher, vice what is lower. That you do not know, so you have no other choice than to seek some form of material gratification. And supposedly this is a "higher" standard. Nor have you solved the problems of birth, death, disease and old age. So what good is your standard?

"your" standards should not meet "mine", for I do not own any standards. That is what I was showing in my last post. We must accept a standard that is objective, not subjective to each person.

n9newunsixx5150 · Mar 26, 2004

2-0-Sixx said:

Proof of God...
Not to the satisfaction of whom you serve, these material senses. And yet, they are never fully satisfied. You are continually seeking some form of gratificaton for the senses. It is not that you have sex once and then sustain that satisfaction forever. You must continually seek it out. So how can you logically consider that you can have sustenance for the proof of God under your service to this *fleeting* material energy? You serve illusion. It is Maya's job to cover God from the mind's of the faithless demoniac people. This, God has ordained... and it is working.

2-0-Sixx said:

No, actually it is not. If you cannot see... if you are blind (let's say from birth), then what is the use of attempting to prove to you, the color blue?

One may come and offer you a method for curing your blindness, but then what do you do? "Oh, I cannot accept that process. There is no color blue." LOL

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