Ahh Racism

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1. It's a dialogue that, 9 times out of 10, doesn't happen, especially because the "ghetto pass" is so quickly revoked in many cases, especially when white people are involved. And the way you associate the "ghetto pass" with the ability to talk about Black issues is another common fallacy - you associate Blackness with poverty. Shelby Stelle talks alot about this in "Content of our Character"; the way poverty is associated with being "truly black", and the way the mentalities of poor Black people are seen as "the Blackest" possible persepctive one could have on Black issues.

2. Because it's a way for me to vent frustations about the whole issue. I don't believe that racism by white people is 100 percent of the Black problem. Whether or not my post affects the actions of Black folk in general or whether it has any socially redeeming value is irrelevant. This board is about discussion, plain and simple. Oftentimes I see this perception that racism is the Alpha and Omega and everything inbetween when it comes to the Black community. I don't believe it is. This is my attempt to put a spin on the discussion that hasn't existed yetr, at least in a significant way on this board.

3. Because I care. I believe there is a huge untapped resource in Black America that continues to be wasted. Black people in America are literally starving and dying as we speak, and I believe those are needless deaths and often wasted lives. The idea held among many Black people is that only white people raised in the hood, who have a ghetto pass or a "Black pass", give a shit about Black people and the Black situation. While I was raised in a low-income, predominately Black/Mexican area, you have apparently took my ghetto pass, so I suppose now that idea is faulty. But in the end I, and many other white people, even rich motherfuckers who don't have black friends, give a shit.

4. Because I believe Spike Lee, Jesse Jackson, Farahkkan, and others who are prominent in the Black community are telling Black people to essentially shoot themselves in the foot: by ignoring the personal habits aspect, taking personal responsibility from Black people in the situation, and telling them that political action, reperations, or the end of white racism will be the solution to their problem, they are essentially not addressing the problem and enhacning and increasing Black misery.

Once again, do I think I am doing good for the Black community with this thread? DO I think I am changing the world by posting in GOM hell naw. This, however, is a place of opinions, and I am simply telling mine.

I've seen Black fathers with jobs and families get taken to jail and killed over matters of personal pride; matters that could have been simply left alone, but because Black men are encouraged to be loud, strong, physical manisfestations of manhood, could not be left alone. I've seen Black mothers buyin Newports, Doritos, and beer with food stamps that should have been feeding their families.

Worst of all, I, you, Heresy, and anyone on here who udnerstands the reality of poverty have seen Black folk so depressed by their situation, and so depressed by their lives, that they stopped caring about themselves, their kids, basically anything.

When I grew up my family lived in a shitty ass slum with roaches, fights, crackheads, and everything. My parents had to do all they could to keep us fed and clothed and under a roof. Over time, through the way that my family lived, and the way that my parents saved, we came to be able to do alright. Not because we had a "white people safety net", not because we had a "skin advantage", simply because my parents fully understood what needed to get done financially to get ahead.

I saw that the difference between my poor white family and other poor black families was simply our outlook and attitude, and not our skin; my parents never let our situation get the best of them, and they both kept their heads above water. I've never seen my Dad get hella mad or get in a fight with nobody, my parents didn't spend money on anything that wasn't essential. My pops worked two jobs and my mom worked one while they both concentrated on moving up in their jobs or getting the skills to find better jobs. We drove the worst ass bucket ever. It was a Maverick that would fill up with water when it rained, and me and my sister put goldfish in it for awhile because they had their own little puddle in the backseat and shit. My pops used to go fishin and bring us home some dinner that he caught. We used to dress so broke and bummy it was ridiculous. I got clowned hella hard in school. And so on and so on...

I believe that no one in the Black community today is telling Black people "You can do this. It is possible." I believe Black leadership has just given up; in my opinion there is no Black leadership today.

Once in awhile a rap or r&b song or whatever comes out like 2pac "Changes" etc. talkin about "We need to do this, we need to get things right, look at all the problems we got, etc". The Million Man March is another example of this pehnomenon of empty action.

Alot of grand ideas are put out, but no one ever states that yo, it starts at home and it starts in the community. Furthermore, no specifics are given as to what to do. Promising to just "make things better" without a real plan is useless. Most Black leadership today tells Black folks day in and day out that "Once we get ours, things will change. Once we stop racism, things will change."

That is like saying "Once I get rich, I won't have to worry about being poor anymore, so I don't worry about the fact that I'm poor right now." That is the dream dope dealers on the street have. That is the dream the thousands or even millions of aspiring Black musicians have. The reality is that there can only be one Jay-Z per project. There can only be one Pharrell, Quincy Jones, or P.Diddy per block. Sports is another dead end. Setting yourself up to be used like a tool by white folk until they decide you've lost your share as a workhorse is no path to economic freedom.

The unfortunate part about the Black American Dream is that being rich is not an objective; being rich is a mentality. And it doesn't mean "Hustle more, put out more records, sell more CDs" or "Sharpen my rhymes, my keyboard, my ball skills" or "Sell dope, rob folks, and grind on the block". None of those lead to riches.

Getting rich means no eating out, no nice clothes, no unaffordable cars, no children you can't afford, no unessential items, over a long ass period of time. Most young Black kids talkin bout how they gon blow up in this or blow up in that and just get rich will never see money. They won't even see enough money to get them by in their lives with their expenses. That's what needs to change.

How many dope dealers have u known who pulled in bread? Just mad, off the hook money? Some of my homeboys used to clock like 10 g's a month or more. Yet somehow, they couldn't hang on to it. People who made in a week what I would make in 6 months now, and could have been set for life, never end up out of the hood. Even if they make it for awhile, it all comes down eventually.

Why? Because a vast majority of Black people do not know how to manage their money, how to spend their money, and what to put their money towards. If you disagree with this, I really don't know what to tell you, but I seen that shit firsthand a million times. And whether or not you think the the Frisco hood is so much more different than Denver or Lousiana or anywhere else, I really don't think it is. The slang a motherfucker use changes, the weather changes, but the hood stays the same.

And I don't believe economics is all of it. Even if the "Black dollar" issue were removed entirely, the community would still face huge, almost impossible obstacles. I'm not ignorant of that. I don't believe that one could simply fix all of the problems out there with a mentality change or a spending habits change. But that is at least a start in my opinion. That is my attempt at presenting a small part of the solution.

And once again, like I've stated before, this message board will change nobody's life. I'm not on a campaign, or tryin to preach about some shit. This is just an issue that matters to me, and this is my opinion on it. If you don't believe I don't got a right to speak or you disagree with everything I say, that's really secondary to me. I go through these lengths to explain simply because I'd rather not lose somebody to discuss shit with than have the door be closed to that possibility. But that's on you.
 

EDJ

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^YOU JUST SHOULDN'T OF SAID ALL THAT SHIT IN THE PAST AND MAYBE YOU WOULD'VE OF BEEN THE EXCEPTION TO THE gAME. BUT LIFE TOLD A DIFFERENT TUNE AND SHOWED US YOUR TRUE COLORS. SO IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND FOR THE RECORD, I AIN'T EQUATIN' BEIN' BLAK TO BEIN' POOR, BUT SPEAKIN' ABOUT BLAK CULTURE PERIOD, THE MIND SET WHICH YOU FEEL IS BASED ON A SELFISH, SELF-DESTRUCTIVE NOTION AND PATH. TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ONCE AgAIN gENERALIZIN' AND TRYIN' TO JUDgE. WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD, AND YOU ACTIN' LIKE BLAK FOLK THE ONLY ONES WITH PROBLEMS. gET OFF YOUR HIgH HORSE.
 
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We obviously see the issue differently. Do I believe only Black America has problems? Absofuckinlutely not. The blame for the problem falls squarely on white America's shoulders, but I don't believe the poor have no responsibilities at this point. Instead of saying "There is nothing you can do. Only White people can save you." I believe what needs to be said is it has to start immediately, and it has to start within the community.

And like I said before, I thought "Aryan Brotherhood" was just the whiteboy click that banded together to survive. I didn't know about no master race Hitler shit. I was honestly that ignorant to the whole situation. That part, though, is past. Obviously we hit a brick wall with that.

And do I believe that the responsibility is solely on Black America to simply lift themselves up out of the situation? Not at all, but this point of view is spoken by a small minority with a small voice among the Black community.
 
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WHITE DEVIL said:
@Jae..."AB" was just what I thought all whiteboys joined. I didn't even think it was all some nazi shit. Whatever though. You can sit back and say how white I am or say how unqualified I am to speak and it's just another way to be an elitist and ignore the discussion...not much different than racism itself.

As far as what I'm qualified to say and not say...who makes these qualifications? Are you saying I don't know shit, I ain't seen shit, or simply I'm "disqualified"? And where is the voice of the qualified? Have the "qualified" been speaking out about this? Have you seen my friends? Do you know my family or story? Do you know where I'm from? No across the board so on the same token how are you qualified to judge me based on some shit EDJ said? You don't know me or anything about me, plain and simple.

And Jae the 'racism in a position of authority' viewpoint is another constantly changing position that is very vulnerable to subjectivity. The reason I say Black and other minorities is that most of the second-generation (non-black) minority kids and second generation communities have begun to take on alot of the same problems associated with poverty and poor communities in America, and often the same approaches and outlook as the Black community. There is no way to speak about American poverty without including multiple groups, even if the primary subject is the Black community.

In the end, me and aspects of me are secondary to this dialogue, a dialogue that does not happen because of this card E is pullin out right now. So you can join in that mentality if you want, but the purpose of this board is beyond that, at least in my opinion.
I aint trying to say you are "disqualified" from speaking on the black experience of this country, I'm just sayin it seemed a little suspect. I haven't even read the thread in question where you said you'd join the AB, I was just stating that IF what EDJ claims is true, then your motives are suspect. It's still an "IF" for me. Get it?

Racism in a position of authority is constantly changing? All I can say is, that out of every cop ( position of authority) that I've EVER encountered, Only 3-5 were Hispanic or Asian. None were black, the rest were white. Some of the white cops I encountered were cool folks, but the great majority, somewhere around 10 were overtly racist. They're policing MY community, and yet their views are hurting MY community. Get it? Maybe this is limited to only the geographic areas I've stayed in? Perhaps. That doesn't matter to me. Like I said before, in parts of this country, Racism is VERY MUCH ALIVE.

You're including other minorities' struggle with the black struggle when dealing with racism. However, you're explainin that you're doing it due to "minority kids and second generation communities have begun to take on alot of the same problems associated with poverty and poor communities in America, and often the same approaches and outlook as the Black community. There is no way to speak about American poverty without including multiple groups, even if the primary subject is the Black community." I'm speakin on other minorities with the subject matter of racism. I grew up 1.5 generation Korean (born in Korea, raised in America for the most part). I grew up middle class, not in poverty. However, I've experienced racism and my mother has experienced it and suffered from it in her place of business. You started this subject speaking on racism, once again, if you're speaking on the black experience, you should leave other minorities out of it. We do not have the same struggles as blacks racially.

I agree with parts of your posts, the communities in question need to step up and and unite to build themselves up. I feel that the Korean and other Asian communities have done a great job at that. However, I disagree with you as well. I think that the people in positions of authority (white america) still hold a LOT of power, and until their racist ideas change there's not a whole lot we can do.
 

HERESY

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Jae iLL said:
I aint trying to say you are "disqualified" from speaking on the black experience of this country, I'm just sayin it seemed a little suspect. I haven't even read the thread in question where you said you'd join the AB, I was just stating that IF what EDJ claims is true, then your motives are suspect. It's still an "IF" for me. Get it?

Racism in a position of authority is constantly changing? All I can say is, that out of every cop ( position of authority) that I've EVER encountered, Only 3-5 were Hispanic or Asian. None were black, the rest were white. Some of the white cops I encountered were cool folks, but the great majority, somewhere around 10 were overtly racist. They're policing MY community, and yet their views are hurting MY community. Get it? Maybe this is limited to only the geographic areas I've stayed in? Perhaps. That doesn't matter to me. Like I said before, in parts of this country, Racism is VERY MUCH ALIVE.

You're including other minorities' struggle with the black struggle when dealing with racism. However, you're explainin that you're doing it due to "minority kids and second generation communities have begun to take on alot of the same problems associated with poverty and poor communities in America, and often the same approaches and outlook as the Black community. There is no way to speak about American poverty without including multiple groups, even if the primary subject is the Black community." I'm speakin on other minorities with the subject matter of racism. I grew up 1.5 generation Korean (born in Korea, raised in America for the most part). I grew up middle class, not in poverty. However, I've experienced racism and my mother has experienced it and suffered from it in her place of business. You started this subject speaking on racism, once again, if you're speaking on the black experience, you should leave other minorities out of it. We do not have the same struggles as blacks racially.

I agree with parts of your posts, the communities in question need to step up and and unite to build themselves up. I feel that the Korean and other Asian communities have done a great job at that. However, I disagree with you as well. I think that the people in positions of authority (white america) still hold a LOT of power, and until their racist ideas change there's not a whole lot we can do.

I agree with this also