Ahh Racism

HERESY · Oct 26, 2005

Rob S4 said:

Can you give me an example on why you agree with white devil? I know why I agree with white devil, and I'll actually elaborate on it in a few, but it seems as if you are attacking EDJ out of the blue. I've said this before and I will say it again. Have ANY of you EVER asked EDJ WHY he has such strong views about the white race? Why have you not tried to understand his perspective? BTW can you provide me with some info supporting your claim that "Everyone of every race was a slave at one time"? I'd like to read such information and see what I can learn from it. Yes many people have been slaves, many cultures have been slaves, but no form of slavery in recorded history has been worse than the slavery of afrikan tribes. The effects of it STILL linger on today and that is why we are having this convo. I do agree with the majority of white devils posts, but I do not agree with your "sweep it under the rug" and "it happened to everybody" mentality.

HERESY · Oct 26, 2005

White people want blacks to accept responsibility and do this and do that. WHEN WILL WHITE AMERICA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITS ACTIONS?

WHITE DEVIL · Oct 26, 2005

Most likely never. In the views of many white people, we have already "paid the debt" for past injustices. This is not something I agree with at all. In fact, I believe radical support and revamping of the black infrastructure by the US Gvt. needs to happen.

Realistically, though, it won't. White resistance to reperations in any form will be larger than minority communities' ability to mobilize and spend enough political capital to make it happen. Even when Bill Clinton and Congress apologized for slavery in 98', there were people opposed to it, even if it was just a paper apology and a press release.

What I believe is that no amount of politics or political action will ever bring about an amicable, acceptable reperation for the injustice or slavery, the genocide of Native Americans, the massacre of filipinos in the late 1800's, etc. The US is already broke and has too much blood on its hands to pay blood money. In addition, the opposition to any sort of reperations would most likely trump it before it even hit the legislative floor.

Individual whites cannot logically accept responsibility for slavery. I believe that duty falls on the US Gvt. And with the joke of an administration we have in place now, I wouldn't expect them to be able to spell a press brief correctly, much less undertake this gargantuan task.

In summary, the destiny of Black America is in their own hands. Not the responsibility, not the blame, not the fault, but the future. It's not an ideal situation, and it's not fair by any stretch, but at this point that's what I believe is a realistic outlook.

WHITE DEVIL · Oct 26, 2005

@reza...I grew up in SF and San Mateo. I have never dated a white girl in my life. My ex of a year and a half was black, and the vast majority of people I associate with are not white. In fact, I tend to dislike white people more often than not, though this has nothing to do with the validity of my stance or my perspective.

Doberman · Oct 26, 2005

The only thing that matters is GOD! NOTHING ELSE!

EDJ · Oct 26, 2005

LOOK HERE MAN(WHITE DEVIL),
THE SHIT DON'T ADD UP. IF YOU WERE DOWN TO BE IN THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD DESPITE BEIN' RAISED IN THE "HOOD", THEN YOUR UPBRINgIN' WAS A JOKE AND FAKE. LIKE I TOLD YOU BEFORE, YOU CAN'T PLAY BOTH SIDES. IF YOUR DOWN TO BE WITH A RACIST ORgANIZATION FOR YOUR OWN SELFISH REASONS(TO NOT BE FUCCED WITH IN PRISON), THEN YOU HAVE NO RIgHT TO TRY TO ACT ALL SELFLESS NOW, AND TRY TO POINT OUT PERCEIVED PROBLEMS IN THE BLAK COMMUNITY(ESPECIALLY IF YOU AIN'T TRYIN' TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION). YOU HAVE NO RIgHT AT ALL TO SPEAK UP ON THIS SHIT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYIN'.
AND FOR THE RECORD, THAT LINK IS TO ANOTHA POST AND NOT THE ORIgINAL ONE WHERE YOUR CARD WAS ORIgINALLY PULLED.

OH COY OCERTO, HERESY, AND N-E-BODY WONDERIN' ABOUT WHITE DEVIL,

WHEN PUT UNDER PRESSURE, CUZZ SAID HE WOULD SIDE WITH THE ARYAN BROTHERHOOD IF HE WERE TO gO TO PRISON, THUS NEgATIN' HIS UPBRINgIN'(PREDOMINANTLY BLAK NEIgHBORHOOD IN FRISCO). I FEEL HE DON'T HAVE A RIgHT TO SPEAK ON TOPICS OF THIS MAgNITUDE.

KRYPTIC FLOWS,
MY FAULT. YOU WOULD THINK EVERYONE WOULD KNOW BY NOW. BUT I HAVE SEEN SHIT WITH MY OWN EYES THRU THE YEARS, AND THE REVELATIONS ARE THAT OUR CULTURE AND FANCTIONS OF IT ARE BASED ON REACTIONS OF THE BULLSHIT. IT'S THE SAME OLD MAKIN' LEMONADE FROM LEMONS LOgIC. BUT I AIN'T THE ONE TO POINT IT OUT.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST,
ROBS4,
YOU HAVE PROVEN YOUR IgNORANCE TIME AND AgAIN, AND YOUR LAK OF INTELLIgENCE AND TACTFULNESS. SEEMS LIKE I DONE STRUK A NERVE AND YOU WASN'T EVEN IN THIS CONVERSATION. WHY YOU EVEN TALKIN' TO ME? YOU TRY TO PERCEIVE TOO MUCH AND DON'T KNOW ME. KEEP THE BULLSHIT TO YOURSELF. IF YOU EVA WANNA ADDRESS ME, ANSWER ALL THE POSTS DIRECTED TO YOU, THAT YOU NEVA ANSWERED.

WHITE DEVIL · Oct 26, 2005

W/E E. Like I said, I thought that was my only choice. Who else would I roll with? Nortenos? Blacks? I mean really....even if I did go to prison I would avoid bein in a gang even if it meant I had to stand alone. This type of question hearkens back to the "rapist or fag" type of logic where no answer is really acceptable in the first place.

Yes, I grew up in Lakeview and the Mission. Yes, my social circle did not include very many white people at all. Still, I didn't know shit about jail other than "goin to county", and I didn't know shit about the pen either. It was not a topic that interested me. Believe it or not, there are Black, Mexican, and White people from the hood who still don't know all the specifics of a jail cell, and are not even interested in the first place.

It's called upward mobility. My knowledge of prison gangs goes to general shit I had heard once or twice from a few people. I didn't know or want details. It's just not something that ever concerned me.

Your question was like asking an illiterate person if Shakespeare or Steinbeck is a better writer...nonsense. Out of all my friends, I have maybe 3-5 white people, and the rest still don't sit around talkin bout "niggaz in jail". It's not something I even care to know about. If someone was on that level, concerned with nothin but crime, grinding, and jail, I would not make it major a priority to kick it with them, simply because you get caught up with people involved in that lifestyle.

As for a solution, I believe I have suggested it in a roundabout way. The solution to the problems (in my opinion) rests in the hands of minority communites, who need to start changing habits now. My personal take on the situation is this:

1. The "Black Dollar" and spending habits - first thing that needs to change.

2. Pregnancy rates of black women and family planning choices need a drastic change. Children are not lifelong friends who will always be wit you through thick and thin. We've all known the bitches who were "gonna have a baby" whether everybody told em it was a good decision or not. Children are a major responsibility that most people are not equipped to deal with.

3. Understand that the "blame" lies with white people, (It is our FAULT) but the duty to take initiative lies with Black people. Why? Because white people are not gonna give up shit. You can grab a gun and bust down City Hall and shoot crackers, you can lobby for funding and government programs, but neither are going to pay off right now. Whosever fault is is, is secondary to the actions that need to be taken. Everytime a black man shoots another Black man...every time a Black woman has a financially unmanageble amount of children, white people point to that and say "They don't want to do any better. They don't want to improve." That's why I believe the hard work needs to first start within and move without, instead of the other way around.

4. What it means culuturally to be a black man needs to change - idol worship of hedonist, materialist thugs is counterproductive to the black male psyche.

True empowerment always comes from within, and that is my point in this entire thread.

I believe pointing to racism, injustice, and slavery as not just the Initial cause, but the current cause, the future cause, etc. denies the Black community its own stake in bettering its own situation.

If "Black Power" comes through White Money, White Laws, and actions taken by White People, then Black Power is tied to victimhood. If Black Power is tied to victimhood and one's status as a victim(as opposed to personal initiative), which I believe is the stance taken by Black leadership today, then Black people will always be slaves to the White man.

The other thing I believe is, if the Black community launched a huge, inward, personal effeort to improve, that would make the case for reperations better. That would be something that the Black community could point to and say "Here, we are doing and have been doing our part." In the minds of most non-Black Americans, white or not, the Black community has not been doing its part to achieve empowerment.

EDJ · Oct 26, 2005

AND HERE YOU gO YIP-YAPPIN' AWAY. LET ME ADDRESS YOUR FIRST PARAgRAPH OR TWO CAUSE THIS SHIT gOIN' IN CIRCLES AND YOU STILL DISRESPECTIN' ME.

YOU STRESSED, "W/E E.?"

WHAT THE FUK THAT MEAN?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Like I said, I thought that was my only choice."

FUK WHAT YOU THINK, IT'S WHAT YOU KNOW.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Who else would I roll with? Nortenos? Blacks?"

WHOEVA IT IS YOU WANT TO ROLL WITH. PERSONALLY I'D BE MY OWN MAN.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I mean really....even if I did go to prison I would avoid bein in a gang even if it meant I had to stand alone."

THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU SHOULD INITIALLY THOUgHT AND SAID. INSTEAD YOU LET YOUR FEAR AND SELFISHNESS BRINg OUT YOUR TRUE COLORS.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This type of question hearkens back to the "rapist or fag" type of logic where no answer is really acceptable in the first place."

SAYS WHO?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Yes, I grew up in Lakeview and the Mission. Yes, my social circle did not include very many white people at all."

BUT YET AND STILL YOU WERE READY TO INCLUDE NOTHIN' BUT AND gO AgAINST EVERYTHANg YOU KNEW AND BELIEVED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Still, I didn't know shit about jail other than "goin to county", and I didn't know shit about the pen either."

REgARDLESS IF YOU KNEW OR NOT, YOU WASN'T REAL TO YOURSELF.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It was not a topic that interested me."

THIS AIN'T A MUTHA-FUCCIN' BOOK OR HOBBY. IT'S REAL LIFE, AND CAN HAPPEN TO N-E-ONE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Believe it or not, there are Black, Mexican, and White people from the hood who still don't know all the specifics of a jail cell, and are not even interested in the first place."

NO SHIT. JUST CAUSE YOU WAS RAISED IN THE HOOD, DON'T MEAN YOU gONNA SEE JAIL AUTOMATICALLY. THIS WORLD IS SO DIVERSE. AND NOT EVERYBODY DOES SHIT TO gET CAUgHT UP OR gETS CAUgHT UP PERIOD.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's called upward mobility."

CORRECTION. IT'S CALLED NOT gETTIN' CAUgHT UP IN THE SYSTEM.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "My knowledge of prison gangs goes to general shit I had heard once or twice from a few people."

THAT WAS MY UNDA-STANDIN' BEFORE I HIT THE CLINK, BUT MY POSITION WOULD REMAIN THE SAME IF I WAS IN YOUR SHOES.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "I didn't know or want details. It's just not something that ever concerned me."

SAME HERE. BUT I WAS FORCED TO LEARN. WHOEVA DO IS A WANNA-BE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Your question was like asking an illiterate person if Shakespeare or Steinbeck is a better writer...nonsense."

YOU EXAggERATIN' NOW. YOU ATLEAST HEARD. BUT YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE YOUR OWN MAN NO MATTER WHAT PLACE OR SITUATION YOU'RE PUT UNDA.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Out of all my friends, I have maybe 3-5 white people, and the rest still don't sit around talkin bout "niggaz in jail"."

SO? MOST OF MY PEOPLES IS LOCCED UP. I STILL DON'T gO AROUND TALKIN' BOUT NIggAS IN JAIL. IT'S A MAN-MADE ENVIRONMENT THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD AVOID.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It's not something I even care to know about. If someone was on that level, concerned with nothin but crime, grinding, and jail, I would not make it major a priority to kick it with them, simply because you get caught up with people involved in that lifestyle."

I THOUgHT KNOWLEDgE WAS THE KEY? N-E-HOW, YOU gENERALIZIN' FOLKS. REMEMBER THAT WE ALL MEN, WITH DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS. NOBODY'S CONCERNED WITH CRIME AND JAIL, UNLESS THEY ALREADY THERE, FIgHTIN' A CASE OR DON'T SEE AN ALTERNATIVE.

AND THAT'S ALL I'M gONNA ADDRESS CAUSE I DON'T SEE YOU FIT TO CHOP IT UP WITH ON THESE TOPICS.

OH, ONE MO' THANg,
YOU STRESSED, "What it means culuturally to be a black man needs to change - idol worship of hedonist, materialist thugs is counterproductive to the black male psyche."

FUK THE WORD "THUg", REVERIN' IT, REFERRIN' TO IT, AND THINKIN' IT MEANS SOMETHIN' REAL WHEN ALL IT IS IS A PLAYED OUT gIMMIK EMBRACED BY MAINSTREAM AUDIENCES AND SOME MIS-DIRECTED SOULS. PEEP:http://siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=102163&page=1&pp=15

m.w.merlino · Oct 27, 2005

WHITE DEVIL said:

Above all else, this is the single most important aspect of the whole topic IMO.

@EDJ - I wonder if you're being hypocritical. You're still judging the validity of White Devil based on a hypothetical question posed a long time ago. Im sure you're not the same man you were before jail, and Im also sure people judge you based on actions you took years ago which Im sure you think is unfair/irrelevant to your current mindstate. How does judging WD under the same pretense make any more sense?

Fridge · Oct 27, 2005

The downfall of the human race is typing your entire message board post in capitals.

Damnit, get your finger off the shift key.

EDJ · Oct 27, 2005

^WE AIN'T ALL LIKE YOU. EVERYTHANg I DO IS BIg. DON'T HATE ME CAUSE I'M DIFFERENT. ALL THESE YEARS AND YOU BARELY NOTICIN' HOW I TYPE?

KRYPTIC FLOWS,
HOW YOU FIgURE I CAN BE HYPOCRITICAL? I ALWAYS KEEP IT REAL. AND ON THIS TOPIC, IT JUST DON'T gO AWAY, IT'S THAT DEEP.. MAYBE IF IT WAS ON SOMETHIN' ELSE. IT'S THE SAME SHIT AS WHEN FEMINEM SAID THAT RACIST SHIT. THE SHIT REALLY IN YOUR HEART AND WHEN PUT UNDA PRESSURE OR PUT ON THE LINE, THE TRUE COLORS WILL COME OUT. HOW CAN YOU BE RACIST AgAINST ONE gROUP BUT LIKE THEIR MUSIC AND CULTURE?

The Duke of Earl · Oct 27, 2005

WHITE DEVIL said:

soy has estrogen in it , soy is a filler in ALOT of junk food, its is toxic , it shouldnt be avoided completely but its not healthy for your.

Talus · Oct 27, 2005

at WD
I see your points...some are valid...but we dont see eye to eye
thats all

Talus · Oct 27, 2005

@ EDJ
Everyones a hypocrite at one time or another...all anyone can do is call someone out and tell uhm to re-evaluate their stance and try to learn from thier mistaces wups mistakes

EDJ · Oct 27, 2005

^WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST REPLACE THE C WITH A K? BUT I TRY NOT TO BE ONE, AND THINK BEFORE I TALK(SOMETHIN' SOMEBODY DIDN'T DO AT ONE TIME). AIN'T NO TAKIN' IT BAK CAUSE THE DAMAgE IS DONE.

Jae iLL · Oct 27, 2005

Hmmm.. Im kind of agreeing with EDJ on this. If ol boy said he would click with the aryans.. I don't see how he's justified in speaking on what the black community does and does not need to do. Also, you're trying to say that racism is a played out subject. True, there are times when things are blown out of proportion, but speaking from experience, racism is VERY much alive today. Also, if you're gonna speak on the black experience don't keep saying "other minorities" in your posts.

You said in the ending lines of your first post, "What is the bigger evil? This juggernaut of racism that all roads lead to rome in among the black community, or actions often taken by minorities themselves that are potentially far more damaging than some white guy who seems to dislike blacks?"
What happens when this "white guy who seems to dislike blacks" is in a position of power or authority? Then what is the bigger evil?

Fridge · Oct 27, 2005

I don't hate on you in particular for the shift key, but in general... Capitals are just the end of the world.

WHITE DEVIL · Oct 27, 2005

@Jae..."AB" was just what I thought all whiteboys joined. I didn't even think it was all some nazi shit. Whatever though. You can sit back and say how white I am or say how unqualified I am to speak and it's just another way to be an elitist and ignore the discussion...not much different than racism itself.

As far as what I'm qualified to say and not say...who makes these qualifications? Are you saying I don't know shit, I ain't seen shit, or simply I'm "disqualified"? And where is the voice of the qualified? Have the "qualified" been speaking out about this? Have you seen my friends? Do you know my family or story? Do you know where I'm from? No across the board so on the same token how are you qualified to judge me based on some shit EDJ said? You don't know me or anything about me, plain and simple.

And Jae the 'racism in a position of authority' viewpoint is another constantly changing position that is very vulnerable to subjectivity. The reason I say Black and other minorities is that most of the second-generation (non-black) minority kids and second generation communities have begun to take on alot of the same problems associated with poverty and poor communities in America, and often the same approaches and outlook as the Black community. There is no way to speak about American poverty without including multiple groups, even if the primary subject is the Black community.

In the end, me and aspects of me are secondary to this dialogue, a dialogue that does not happen because of this card E is pullin out right now. So you can join in that mentality if you want, but the purpose of this board is beyond that, at least in my opinion.

Talus · Oct 28, 2005

@ EDJ
I feel you homie...I generally chose my words carefully as not to be missunderstood.
BUT I also realize I make mistakes at times just as others do and the past doesnt always have to weigh on futer decisions if that person shows a change.
But i know what your sayin

EDJ · Oct 28, 2005

^I KNOW WHAT YOU TRYIN' TO SAY, BUT IT gOES BEYOND THAT.

WHITE DEVIL A.K.A ALREADY DEAD,
YOU JUST SHOULDN'T OF SAID THAT THEN. THAT'S WHY IT WAS BIg DEAL THEN AND NOW. BAK THEN YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A BIg DEAL. AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY. YOU REVOKED YOUR gHETTO PASS PLAYA. IN THE REAL WORLD, YOU WOULDN'T BE HAVIN' THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOUR AVERAgE BROTHA FROM THE HOOD. MAYBE WITH SOME WHITEBOY FRIENDLY-THINKIN'-HE-BETTER-AND SMARTER-THAN-EVERY-OTHA-NIgKA TYPE OF SELL-OUT ASS NIgKA. BUT EVEN THEN, THE CONVERSATION WOULD CEASE IF THEY KNEW YOU WAS READY TO JOIN A RACIST ORgANIZATION, CONTRADICTIN' YOUR SELFLESS-CONCERNED-ABOUT-THE-BLAK-COMMUNITY ACT.

I JUST gOT ONE QUESTION. WHY? WHY DID YOU POST THIS? WHY DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK UP ON THIS? WHY DO YOU CARE? WHY?

Ahh Racism

THE HIDDEN HAND...

THE HIDDEN HAND...

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