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Old Soldiers Want a Rainbow In the Arsenal
By Courtland Milloy

Wednesday, April 2, 2003; Page B01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6407-2003Apr1.html

The way the retired military officers made their case for affirmative action, you'd think that no one would dare argue against it -- for fear of coming off as unsupportive of the troops, if not downright unpatriotic.

"Based on decades of experience," the generals and admirals wrote, "a highly qualified, racially diverse officer corps educated and trained to command our nation's racially diverse enlisted ranks is essential to the military's ability to fulfill its principal mission to provide national security."

A little more than 50 years after President Harry S. Truman ended racial segregation in the armed services, the officers noted, the military's use of "limited race-conscious recruiting and admissions policies" remains the only way to remedy past discrimination and ensure an effective fighting force. Their argument, put forth in a Supreme Court brief supporting efforts by the University of Michigan to diversify its student body, was unequivocal: "The rules should not be changed."

The retired officers joining the brief included Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, commander of Allied Forces during the Persian Gulf War; Gen. John M. Shalikashvili, Gen. Hugh Shelton and Adm. William J. Crowe, all former chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and Maj. Gen. Charles F. Bolden, the Marine Corps's first African American astronaut and commander of two space shuttle missions.

If these officers were asking for more weapons to defend America, their assessment would be taken very seriously. As much weight should be given to their assertion that a racially integrated education system and a racially diverse officer corps are essential to national security. They spoke up because a system that serves the nation well is being challenged by a couple of white students who believe that a few blacks got a break at their expense.

Yesterday, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the Michigan case to determine whether the methods used by the school to diversify its student body violate the Constitution.

The armed forces have wrangled with integration for years, and the military is light years ahead of the rest of America when it comes to diversity. Few understand better than our military leaders what is at stake.


"The crisis that mandated aggressive integration of the officer corps in the service academies and in ROTC programs is a microcosm of what exists in our society at large, albeit with potentially more severe consequences to our nation's welfare," the retired officers wrote.

By "severe consequences," they obviously meant the inability of a disunited military to wage war and defend the homeland effectively. But racial injustice has a high price wherever it is found in society, as American history has shown.

In moving toward a solution, the military first took a hard look at itself. For instance, according to the officers' brief, in 1962, when tens of thousands of African Americans were in the armed forces, only 1.6 percent of all commissioned officers were black. By the end of the Vietnam War, in 1975, only 3 percent of Army officers were black.

"African-American troops, who rarely saw members of their own race in command positions, lost confidence in the military as an institution," the retired officers wrote. "White officers were simply unaware of the intense African-American dissatisfaction with job assignments and the perceived lack of respect."

Life in the military has a way of causing such tensions to surface rather dramatically, often through racial violence; within, say, a corporation or civilian bureaucracy, the racial fuse burns much slower. But the outcome is inevitably the same: a less-than-effective workforce, if not a self-destructive one.

Today, about 8.8 percent of military officers are black, and blacks make up 21 percent of the military's enlisted personnel -- a substantial gap despite much improvement.

So the struggle continues, with "no race-neutral alternative that will fulfill the military's, and thus the nation's, compelling national security need for a cohesive military led by a diverse officer corps of the highest quality to serve and protect the country," as the officers put it.

Who could possibly be against that -- and not just for the military but for America as a whole?
 
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^^^^ CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW LATINOS HAVE BENIFITED FROM AFFIRMATIVE ACTION???
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nope, dont want to, dont care to.

affirmative discrimination is DISCRIMINATION plain and simple and it is wrong.

how would black people feel if college basketball, football, track, and all other sports had to adhere by Affirmative Discrimination on campuses. to the extent that 70% of athletes have to be white, 12% Hispanic, and 12% black, with a few others????

answer: they wouldnt because it is wrong to DISCRIMINATE PERIOD!
 
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nope, dont want to, dont care to.

affirmative discrimination is DISCRIMINATION plain and simple and it is wrong.

how would black people feel if college basketball, football, track, and all other sports had to adhere by Affirmative Discrimination on campuses. to the extent that 70% of athletes have to be white, 12% Hispanic, and 12% black, with a few others????

answer: they wouldnt because it is wrong to DISCRIMINATE PERIOD!
You have no idea what Affirmative Action is about then. Lame ASS analogy. Get your head out of your ass.
 
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how would black people feel if college basketball, football, track, and all other sports had to adhere by Affirmative Discrimination on campuses. to the extent that 70% of athletes have to be white, 12% Hispanic, and 12% black, with a few others????
it would be retarded none wants to see a bunch of honkys plays basketball who can't dunk
 
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I don't think Mcleanhatch understands the difference between the importance of an education from playing sports. We all have potential to learn (even Mcleanhatch), but we don't all have the potential to slam dunk, make a touch down, or run... I think Mcleanhatch needs to read up on his history of why affirmative action was established...
 

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nope, dont want to, dont care to.

affirmative discrimination is DISCRIMINATION plain and simple and it is wrong.

how would black people feel if college basketball, football, track, and all other sports had to adhere by Affirmative Discrimination on campuses. to the extent that 70% of athletes have to be white, 12% Hispanic, and 12% black, with a few others????

answer: they wouldnt because it is wrong to DISCRIMINATE PERIOD!
Huh
Blacks take over professional sports and dont offer their position to allow other minorties to participate. There are now more Mexican Americans than African Americans in this country but you wouldnt know that watching a basketball game. Where are the asians? Oh we do have one and he's not even from this country so go figure. Just because a certain race isn't naturally tall doesnt mean they should be discriminated against. If you expect Whitey to let you skip a place in line then you should in turn allow other less talented people/races have a shot.

Or gee, maybe it DOES make sense after all that the most qualified people are chosen first :confused:
 
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YOuNg WiNo said:
it would be retarded none wants to see a bunch of honkys plays basketball who can't dunk
and nobody wants inferior black/hispanic college students when there are more qualified whites/asians.

if they are equal then ya i am all for it. but to let an inferior intellectual individual into a college over a superior intellectual individual based on the race is wrong
 
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Huh
Blacks take over professional sports and dont offer their position to allow other minorties to participate. There are now more Mexican Americans than African Americans in this country but you wouldnt know that watching a basketball game. Where are the asians? Oh we do have one and he's not even from this country so go figure. Just because a certain race isn't naturally tall doesnt mean they should be discriminated against. If you expect Whitey to let you skip a place in line then you should in turn allow other less talented people/races have a shot.

Or gee, maybe it DOES make sense after all that the most qualified people are chosen first :confused:
exactly!!!
 
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PLOT said:


Huh
Blacks take over professional sports and dont offer their position to allow other minorties to participate. There are now more Mexican Americans than African Americans in this country but you wouldnt know that watching a basketball game. Where are the asians?
blacks ,"latinos"only play professional sports , white men own it


more and more asians are playing baseball and basketball, dat nygue is a hogg at middle linebacker
 

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@plot are you familiar with the NEGRO LEAGUE and when blacks were NOT allowed to play baseball?????? blacks were RESTRICTED from playing baseball because of SKIN COLOR. is sammy sosa (of latin/hispanic origin) restricted from playing baseball? do you know how many people latin/hispanic people play basesball? or how many asians play?


http://www.pacificnews.org/jinn/stories/5.02/990118-jordan.html]


it was a little over 50 years ago that the first black male played in an nba game........http://unp.unl.edu/bookinfo/4155.html


when were asians and latinos forbidden to play in mlb or nba or nfl??????

plot who is getting rich from these black players? what color are
the majority of the owners and coaches?

i cant wait till negroes start OWNING teams. i cant wait till hockey is no longer a "white" game.......

@ReservoirDog great post.


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@plot are you familiar with the NEGRO LEAGUE and when blacks were NOT allowed to play baseball?????? blacks were RESTRICTED from playing baseball because of SKIN COLOR.
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was that not over 55 years ago when jackie robinson broke the color barrier. are they still restricted from playing?

HERESY said:
is sammy sosa (of latin/hispanic origin) restricted from playing baseball? :H:
no he isnt restricted from playing baseball. but i would call him black. i mean ya he has a spanish name and he speaks spanish but he is black.

HERESY said:
do you know how many people latin/hispanic people play basesball? :H:
alote of them are from the dominican republic, PR, Venezuela,, and Cuba. and again just like sammy sosa alote of them spwak spanish and have spanish surnames but they are black.

ex... manny ramirez, pedro martinez, sammy sosa, vladimir guerrero, roberto alomar, bernie williams, alex rodriguez, miguel tejada

very few non-black hispanics like..... jose canseco, raphael palmiero, nomar garciaparra

HERESY said:
or how many asians play?
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probly about 10

benny agbayani, chan ho park, hideo nomo, ichiro, sasaki, kim, (the new guy with the yankees).

HERESY said:
when were asians and latinos forbidden to play in mlb??????
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alote of latinos always played in MLB so long as they werent black latinos they were playing. as for the asians i dont know of any playing in the pros until recently

HERESY said:
who is getting rich from these black players?
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who cares!!!


HERESY said:
what color are the majority of the owners and coaches?
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who cares!!!
 
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FUCK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.....AND FUCK THE TROOPS.......AND FUCK ALL WHO DISAGREE........I GUESS THAT MAKES ME UNAMERICAN......OK FUCK CURIOUS GEORGE BUSH TOO.......AND FUCK SODOMY HUSSEIN.......FUCK BIN LADEN.........FUCK EVERYONE.