A Call to arms. I NEED ALL OF YOUR HELP!!!!!!!

[Tribal]

@ Cool Nutz

I'll make this short. You say you haven't gotten involved, but you did get involved when you called me up a few years back coming to his rescue. I remember you trying to bully me around, and you obviously didn't like the fact I was sticking up for what I believe in. That's the point at which the animosity started between you and I. I apologize.

How would you know if there was shit being said behind your back if you weren't there to hear it? You must have heard it from somebody else who thought it was in there best interest to establish a connection with you. What has that connection done for you now? I also don't know who told you I didn't like your music. For what it's worth I do like your music, and as said before it has always been the standard for quality and professionalism that I want for my music. It's all politics.

You said, MOST of the time when someone says "I'm not hating" in a statement it means they're hating. Well this is that other percentage of time. Because I'm aware that it's on your mind, I'm careful with the things I say to you, otherwise I know you'll pass it off as nothing. That's real shit.

I guess there's no resolve, and that's cool. It's the music that matters most, and as you've said before, you can't make friends in this business. It's good that I've made mine outside of it.

I wasn't trying to ruin a positive thread. I was just trying to see that there's no reason for reviews like this one in the future. And I STILL beleive we all have one. Peace to you.

 

[Cool Nutz]

@ Nick

Keep It Real Bro............

 

[Cool Nutz]

Here is a quote from the writer himself. You can get a basic feel for his feeling towards this kind of music.

"You seem to think that because I don't like the Collabos album, that I don't
like the genre, which is simply not true. I find most urban rap tiresome
and repetitive and have all but forsaken it for the amount of searching one
needs to perform to find anything in it that's truly creative and fun to
listen to. But occasionally an artist comes out with a song like "Back to
the Hotel" (thanks for that tip) and breathes new life into the genre by
doing something more creative than most of what is happening."

The words of David Gerritson

You be the judge.

 

[BAMMER]

That review seemed unprofessional.He's taking jabs at the end with the juss for famm comments,and forget a plaque....very juvenile.

 

[SLOWPOKE]

"Back to the Hotel"
WHAT'S JAYTEE GOT TO DO WITH THIS?





I BET HE STILL WANDERS WHAT "PURPLE CHANGO'S " ARE AHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA

 

[Cool Nutz]

^^^He was saying that Back To The Hotel was an original record that breathed new life into hip-hop, but what isn't realizing is that that record was from the ealry 90's. The cat is comparing what is going on now to what is going on in early days of hip-hop. Just some ignorant shit. He didn't even realize that Jay Tee was on the album twice. That's dumb this cat is.

 

[YOUNG KRIME]

We all take chances you never know who will say what about what you are doing It is up to you to stay O.G. about shit.. he don't make or break you he might be hating so let the haters hate you know what you got..That's the thing about reviews you are basically leaving it up to one fool to judge your hard work and to make they own opinion about what you have created ....

 

[tadou]

If i was ANY kind of hip-hop fan, i would NOT listen to a balding rock/country fan in his 50's over my own ears.

All press is good press.

 

[chiligrrl]

another historic moment.. i agree with tad ^^^^ no publicity is BAD publicity

 

[Cool Nutz]

I can dig that. I'm not tripping off of the publicity, I am tripping off of the person they chose to do the review. This doesn't benefit any of us. They have the wrong people on the job, and it effects the whole scene. If you aren't doing a certain type of music, then you won't get your just repsect. This isn't just for me, but for any of you that are trying to sell your music. Thanks for the support, and pick up a copy of the Collabos album.

 

[tadou]

Indeed....but there's a difference between:

"I would appreciate if your staff could contract someone more in tune with hip-hop/urban music to do your reviews. I could even give you the names of some well-spoken college students who may be willing to do the work for free. You can contact me at _______ so we might discuss this further."

And

"i read you review of the album, you are so far off base that its really funny.......do you even listen to hip-hop? [...] maybe next time they should have someone who knows what they are talking about to do these reviewz"

--- And i am sure that EW's response was a lot tamer than most.


Lot of college students around here....lots of mouthpieces around here too. A great deal of people who listen to hip-hop. It can't be that difficult to find a candidate.

But all of this...."you don't know hip-hop" stuff--thats once-off stuff, it gets click-deleted and forgotten in a week.......thats not 'make a difference' stuff. You want to make a difference? Lets make a difference.

 

[Cool Nutz]

@ Tadou

Give us the plan the make a difference and let's carry it out. I will put you in charge of that part of the game my friend. And I think that that approach is needed sometimes. And the truth is, they don't know hip-hop. They need some qualified writers for the paper, they aren't giving the proper concern to the readers. This has happened before my album, and will most likely happen after my album. They haven't taken the time out to find a good hip-hop writer. EW was on point with his evaluation of the situation. At this point it is what it is, but the struggle continues my friend.

But can the great mind of Tadou tell us what needs to be done?

 

[BaneTheTerrible]

i think what needs to be done is just keep it pushin, just because he dosnt have a hip hop phd dosnt mean that he doesnt know how to write, its just like haters, they are every where you go, and they will continue to be like cochroaches, they will be around after we are all gone. but i think dude just does his job the way he knows how, just like the rest of us, and after all it is just his opinion. just write him an intelligent letter and keep on keepin, if he sees the error of his way he will correct it, if not then he will keep doing what he does.

 

[tadou]

It goes down like this: I couldn't even point to Willammtte on a map, let alone tell you anything about the paper, so me (or anyone else in my position) writing a long, drawn-out essay about the intricacies of reviewing hip-hop albums would be futile.

What is needed is someone familiar with the paper, who might be able to compare some of this man's past hip-hop reviews, to that of other websites and newspapers reviews. "Replace", "Complaint", "Problem" etc are not the words/phrases to use; "Suggestion", "Resolution", are a few that should be effective.

The goal of course (beyond just mere replacement), is to get this man to realize that, while he might not be doing large scale damage, he is 7definitely putting a damper on things. He must be hit from all sides with points of reference--opinions from other fans, past articles, reviews from other sites, reviews of HIS reviews by other journalists/music reviewers, and so on. These things combined with a even a modest command of English would be a good start.

That is all.

 

[Cool Nutz]

@ Tadou

That's the problem, he hadn't written any reviews for the paper before this. I'm not trippin at this point. All I cared about was an educated writer getting the project, and if it happened that they didn't like it, so be it. They found the most ignorant, uninformed cat they could to write that review. This is my problem. I think that alot of you are missing the point.

I'm sure if it was a good review we wouldn't even have this thread, but if it was a bad review by someone that knew what they were doing we wouldn't have this thread either. This is the problem with the NW press. They have on horseblinders, and they aren't interested in hip-hop as a whole. Read the Stranger, Seattle Weekly, Willamette Weekly, The Portland Mercury.

Alot of music that is being put out, or listened to by people on this board will get no love at these publications, because they aren't employing people like Samson S. that are actually educated about hip-hop as a WHOLE, not genre biased. This is my problem. This isn't just my problem, it's the problem of all of us trying to take this shit to the next level and gain new interest for our projects.

I could give 2 FUCKS about the content, it's the fact that it's coming from a person that already makes it clear that they don't FUCK with Urban music. So why is he being given the project?

 

[tadou]

I see what you're getting at. But we've also got to consider that there isn't as many hip-hop head graduates as there could be these days. Lots of people are content to drop out or just get a diploma, then sit around all day using the typical, 2pac-esque "fuck the world" mentality. And no media company in their right mind is going to hire onto their staff someone who has zero experience, no journalistic skills and an "everybody is out to get me" attitude.


This man is a tool, yes; but we don't even have an infrastructure in place to smear his name and present to the world the bigot he really is. And that more than anything gets on my nerves.

 

[Cool Nutz]

^^^^That is exactly my point. I just want people to know what is going on.

 

[SLOWPOKE]

I could give 2 FUCKS about the content, it's the fact that it's coming from a person that already makes it clear that they don't FUCK with Urban music. So why is he being given the project?

I SEE..
BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE THAT WAS KNOWIN ABOUT URBAN MUSIC
AND GAVE THE SAME TYPE (BAD) REVIEW?

YOU REMEMBER NATURAL BORN KILLAS THE FILM?
WHEN THE INDIAN SAID "U KNEW I WAS A SNAKE BITCH"
PONDER THAT AND SEE HOW IT RELATES TO THIS TOPIC....




"OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH I LIKE WHAT U DO..THA THANGS THAT U DO"
- THAT VATA

 

[Shaniac]

wtf are you talkin about

 

[tadou]

@slowpoke

Man! I think about that "allllll the tiiiiiime, yeeeeaaah!"