300,000 Iraqis protest American invasion

KleanKut · Apr 20, 2005

How can you be a protector of freedom when you are killing the people of Iraq?

I have never killed an innocent person tough guy.

You mean dealer of death to those who oppose US control of their natural resources?

I mean dealer of death to all that oppose the freedom of innocnet Iraqis by unsing car bombs and killign them and dumping them in the fuckin river.

What freedom do you have, soldier? The US constitution doesn’t even apply to you; you are property of the united states government. In other words, you’re a slave and a puppet to the rich ruling elite who are sipping on wine next to a fire while they send drones like you to do their dirty work. Where is the courage in that? Where is the honor?

I have the basic rights and freedoms of any other US citizen, how does the consitution nto apply to me. I have sworn to uphold and protect the freedoms guerenteed in the constitution. Not to mention I love living in the most free and liberated country in the world. I am prepaired to die for those freedoms, so still i know people like me will ensure these freedoms for generations to come.

Beautiful picture in your sig BTW. America as Death. Couldn’t be more fitting.

Yeah i liek the pic as well. Thats y I have it tattooed on my right calf. The American Flag represents the best country in the world, and the grim reaper represents me, in the fact that if anyone tries to bring harm to it they will be struck down with out mercy.

The Duke of Earl · Apr 20, 2005

you'er not fighting for our freedom or proteching the freedom of the united states , you'er fighting for iraqi freedom........

Contagious Locc · Apr 20, 2005

2-0-Sixx said:

truth.

it may be kinda off topic but the fact that the american people actually re-elected bush fuccin amazes me

D-Boy · Apr 21, 2005

funny how people say the military protects our rights, but i've never seen an iraqi try to undermine my freedom of speech or pass a patriot act

28g w/o the bag · Apr 21, 2005

D-Boy said:

lol for real

but stupid ass americans will swallow any damn thing the government throws at them

WT SAVAGE · Apr 21, 2005

reguardless if were there or not, those people will continue to kill each other day in, day out. then what will u blame the deaths on?

2-0-Sixx · Apr 22, 2005

KleanKut said:

I hope you haven’t personally but the people you represent surely have.

Funny, I didn’t hear any car bombings in Iraq until the US illegally invaded their country.

While I condemn some tactics used by certain Iraqi resistance fighters, I know that the majority are fighting the good fight against US Imperialism.

No soldier, you do not have the basic rights and freedoms of any US citizen for you signed those rights away when you joined the military. As I mentioned, the US constitution does not apply to you or any other military personnel for that matter; you are property of the united states of America. You are under an entirely different set of “Rights,” the UCMJ or Uniform Code for Military Justice and you should know this, soldier. You have the right to obey orders.

Then maybe you should come back home and “strike down” the members of Bu$hCo. who are running this country into the dirt. They are, after all, bringing harm on this country.

WT SAVAGE said:

Were the Iraqi’s killing themselves before the US invasion?

HERESY · Apr 22, 2005

KK I want to ask you a question. Have you killed a GUILTY person? If so what were they guilty of? Attacking you or defending their freedom, home and beliefs?

KleanKut · Apr 22, 2005

HERESY said:

They were getting in the way of the freedom of the country by attacking US Troops or innocent civilians. I love how you liberal douchebags support the insurgents and try to pin the blame of the blood they spill on the USA. You guys are fucking retarded. You sound like the morons in tema america they make fun of "I was in iraq before the invasion and it was a happy place with children dancing in the streets gingerbread houses and free ice cream for all the young iraqi children." I talk to the people of Iraq on almost a daily basis and we disscuss current events to the best of our abilities, with thier english and my arabic being limited. The consensis is they like saddam gone and hate the insurgents. I have talked to some who dislike us there but the majority is they love us. Remeber most of the insurgents arnt iraqis but out of country "freedom fighters" and the people of this country dont want them here. Mabye you bush hating insurgent loving fuckbags should stop net bagining behind your computer, come over here and take up arms against me with your "brothers."

HERESY · Apr 22, 2005

Wasn't the country already "free"? If us troops were not in the area would they have been attacked? No? Of course not? So in your opinion it's wrong for people to fight for what they believe in? Or better yet it's wrong to defend yourself when an outside force has invaded your home?

I'm not a liberal nor am I conservative. I could care less about left or right, demo or repub blah blah blah. Blame needs to be placed on america but conservative, trigger happy, homosexual madmen (such as those who abused the prisoners) dont see it that way.

You guys?

I asked YOU a question and imho you should address me not "you guys". BTW I've heard worse so I'll take your retarded "comment" as a compliment

And you sound like a sheep baaaaaaaah. "Weapons of mass destruction, saddam is a threat to america, he gassed his own people, he did this, he did that".

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON KLEAN KUT. YOU MAKE $2,000 A MONTH RISKING YOUR LIFE OVER GOD KNOWS WHAT WHILE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN YOUR ASS RAKE IN MILLIONS ON A DAILY BASIS. AT LEAST I CAN SAY I'M NOT PIMPED OUT LIKE YOU ARE. DOES BUSH HAVE A SON IN THE ARMED FORCES? NO? YOUR FATHER DOES AND GUESS WHAT? IF YOU CAUGHT A BULLET BETWEEN YOUR TEETH THEY WOULDN'T DO SHIT BUT GIVE YOUR PARENTS A RAG....OOPS I MEANT A FLAG, FOLDED LIKE AN ORAGAMI TOY SOLDIER. FIGHT FOR MY "FREEDOM" LACKY. I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I CAN PLAY X BOX IN THE COMFORT OF MY HOME AT YOUR EXPENSE.

The majority of demonstrators were from what country?

LMAO! Thats a good one coming from a bush loving insurgent hating fuckbag. BTW what is a "fuckbag"? Couldn't you have come with something better?

Shut up and fight for my freedom. Thats all I want you to do slave.

I already told you that YOU can see ME when you get home. i love how you danced around the question so i'll ask you again.

Have you killed a GUILTY person?

I asked a question with no hatred or animosity and you reply with total madness. Thats the game you want to play? Fine

2-0-Sixx · May 4, 2005

I’m glad the US media has been telling us the truth about the diminishing Iraqi resistance.

Suicide bomber kills 60 in Iraqi city
May 4th

A suicide bomber struck the offices of a Kurdish party in northern Iraq on Wednesday, killing at least 60 people and injuring over 150, in the bloodiest attack since a new government promising stability was formed a week ago. LINK

US soldiers shoot 6-year-old girl
May 3rd

US forces killed 12 people and wounded two others, including a six year old girl, in a firefight and bombing close to the Syrian border on Monday, the US military said in a statement. LINK

May 1st
A wave of violence has engulfed Iraq with bombs killing at least 60 Iraqis and six US soldiers in a wave of attacks following the formation of a new government after three months of wrangling.
The streets of Baghdad were largely empty yesterday morning after 17 bombs had exploded across Iraq the previous day. The attacks show there is apparently no end to the number of suicide bombers willing to die in Iraq.
…
Their deaths bring the total for US soldiers killed this month to 48.

4 May: At least 50 people killed in suicide attack on police recruits in Irbil
29 April: At least 29 people killed in wave of car bomb attacks on Iraqi security forces
10 March: 47 people killed by suicide bomber at Shia funeral in Mosul
28 February: Massive car bomb kills 125 people in Hilla
19 February: Suicide bombers kill 30 people during Shia Ashura celebrations
18 February: Around 29 people die in attacks in Baghdad and Iskandariya
7 February: Attacks on security forces kill at least 25 people in Mosul and Baquba

Americans say Iraq war not worth it
May 4, 2005

A majority of Americans do not think it was worth going to war in Iraq with support at the lowest level since the United States launched the invasion in 2003, according to a CNN/USAToday/Gallup poll released on Wednesday.
Fifty-seven percent of those polled said it was not worth going to war compared to 41 percent who thought it was. In a February poll, 48% said the war was worth it and half said it was not. LINK

TOKZTLI · May 4, 2005

Suicide bombers are good in some people's eyes, not mine. Plant a flag in it, potna.

2-0-Sixx · May 4, 2005

Can you please show me who said suicide bombers are good?

2-0-Sixx · May 10, 2005

While US brags they killed over 100 insurgents, governor kidnapped

Iraq rebels kidnap province chief

The governor of one of Iraq's most dangerous provinces has been kidnapped by insurgents calling for an end to US operations close to the Syrian border.

Raja Nawaf, governor of the western province of Anbar, was seized at a roadblock between the town of Qaim and the provincial capital Ramadi.
The kidnappers later demanded that US troops pull out of Qaim, where the US says it has killed 100 insurgents.

Earlier, two car bombs exploded in Baghdad, killing seven and injuring 47.

The dead were thought to be civilians, killed by the first blast. Six policemen were injured in the second blast, at an Iraqi river police station.

Tuesday's first car bombing hit Saadoun Street, a busy part of Baghdad's business district hit by a similar explosion on Saturday that killed 17 people.

Bandit country

In a telephone call to Mr Nawaf's brother, a group claiming to have kidnapped the Anbar governor - who only recently took up his post - said they would hold him captive until US troops pulled back from Qaim.
US military officials say they have killed up to 100 insurgents since it launched Operation Matador in Qaim, 320km (200 miles) west of Baghdad, on Saturday night.

The operation, the largest US offensive in months, was prompted by a spate of bomb attacks across Iraq in recent weeks, and the intensity of the fighting has prompted many civilians to flee their homes.
Marines crossed the Euphrates river on Monday and pushed westwards into the Jazirah desert, a largely unpatrolled area near the Syrian border.

US commanders believe the lawless area is a haven for followers of insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Since then they have been fighting house-to-house and say they have encountered stiff resistance from insurgent snipers nested in desert outposts and a string of western towns.

There was no official confirmation of US casualties on Tuesday, although at least three Marines were reported to have died on Monday. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4534277.stm

Jae iLL · May 12, 2005

I wonder when KleanKut is gonna answer if he's killed a GUILTY person or not?

anyway, to the topic of immediate withdrawal of US troops? That's insane. America brought all this shit to that country, it is their responsibility to restore order before leaving. They can't just say fuck it and leave the country to shit.

The attacks have shifted from the Americans to the Iraqis. Since the beginning of 05 266 Americans were killed while 724 Iraqi soldier/policemen have been killed. If the Americans pull out how many more do you think will be killed? The country has already turned to shit, and I love the argument of "it's better than before"

The nation has no security, no essential services, and the country's key assets are NOT secure.

We were told that oil revenues were gonna help uplift the postwar economy of Iraq, while oil production is around 2 million barrels a day compared to the prewar 2.5 million. Electrical power production is around 80,000 KWH compared to a prewar level of 100,000 KWH. That means people are receiving electricity in their homes for only 1/3 of the day.

How much aid is America spending on Iraq? Less than One-quarter of the allocated aid has been spent in Iraq. That country is REALLY looking like shit and it's doing hella worse than it was before the Americans went in.

Iraq has no real form of government, no form of security, no assets; tell me, what good has come from the American invasion? The Americans will be there for a long time to come as well.

Mike Manson · May 12, 2005

^^^Wut good has come? Alotta companies that support Bush have made some good money and still makin more!!! That's wut itz all about...
My prayers are with the allied soldiers, the iraqi people and everybody else who died or suffered because of some greedy rich guys.

2-0-Sixx · May 12, 2005

Jae iLL said:

I disagree completely. The NUMBER ONE issue with the overwhelming majority of Iraqi’s is that they want the US out…now. A new government has been formed but the one issue they cannot vote on is whether or not the US should leave. The US has already made their decision that we will be there for years and years to come and it is non-negotiable. How’s that for democracy?

Most of the “insurgent” attacks recently have targeted Iraqi soldiers, police and security. Why? Because they feel they are aligning themselves with the US, which is true. They feel they are traitors.

If we keep this mentality that we need to stay until things are stable we will be there forever. It will be another South Vietnam, which we tried to setup a US friendly regime, elections, security, police and an army. Look how that turned out.

The only way for the Iraqi’s to advance is for them to do it democratically amongst themselves, not while being occupied by a foreign Imperialist country.

You need to approach this question of whether or not the US should stay only after you have an understanding of the true motives and purposes of the US occupation. As you know, the US did not invade Iraq because of weapons, terrorism or to liberate the Iraqi people- they did it to steal the natural resources in Iraq, to extend the US domination over the mid-east, to increase the power and prestige of US Capitalism/Imperialism and to install a puppet regime that will allow US corporations to exploit the oil and markets of Iraq and to act as a US partner in the Mid-East. Those are the true motives behind the war. Any effort by the Iraqi people to fight for better living conditions or democratic rights will be vigorously opposed by the U.S.

The people of Iraq and the Middle East have had numerous mass struggles for democracy and self-determination. Since World War Two, the U.S. has been the main opponent of these struggles, backing many of the repressive dictators.

The Iraqi people have the democratic right to determine their own future and form their own government, independent of the U.S. or any other foreign power. Any talk of democracy in Iraq as long as it remains under a colonial occupation is a complete fraud.

When you and anyone else says that the US needs to stay in Iraq, you are accepting that the future of Iraq should be decided by foreign powers which denies the democratic right of self-determination of the Iraqi people.

KleanKut · May 17, 2005

HERESY said:

Yeah. Sorry its not my favorite topic to talk about. Shooting someone, or watching someone blow themsefs up in a car bomb and peices of them are projected in every direction. I dont give a fuck really, its better them then me. However its jsut shit that doesnt need to be talked about or glorified (hollywood does that for us, cuz they have no idea what its like to take a life) I would feel like shit if i ever killed and innocent person. I have never done that *knock on wood* So yeah this is the first and last time this topic will be disscused by me on this board. Out

2-0-Sixx · May 17, 2005

Even if you don’t “give a shit” now, it’s quite possible that you will when your duties are finished and you’re back home.

I saw an Iraqi Vet speak the other day about post traumatic stress syndrome, the experiences he had with it, and the alarming amount of soldiers that he says has it now, and the thousands that will have it when they return home.

He told us about his father, who served in Vietnam and also had PTSD, would enter “dark and dangerous spells”, often times beating his wife and kids. He told us about the nightmares of the people he killed and he has to live with those haunting images for the rest of his life.

HERESY · May 17, 2005

And these people were found guilty by american law? american law which prohibits them from protecting themselves?

I can respect the fact you may not want to talk about it but the fact is you're doing more harm than good.

Have you asked why these things occur? Liberation or billion dollar contracts? Freedom or slave to the dollar?

In war time, I imagaine you are trained that way. Your programmed to due your duty and risk your life. You don't give a fuck but it's not a favorite topic of yours.

I didn't bring it up to glorify it:

"Like did you kill someone? OOOOOOOOH thats like so cool man did you nail em with an m-16 or mow em down with a .50 cal?"

Do your superiors tell you to not talk about it?

Every person you have killed was innocent. It's something you must live with.

300,000 Iraqis protest American invasion

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