18 Year old burns flag and goes to court! Real american HERO or real american FOOL?

[HERESY]

If you call ultra-left wing professors, Marxists, Presidents of Genocide musuems and writers who grossly manipulated their statistics in an underlying effort to remove the Columbus holiday (Stannard) IMPARTIAL sources you are spinning the story worse than Fox News my friend.

I find the books written by Dr. David E. Stannard (UHM American Studies Professor, author), speeches given by Steve Melendez (member of the Paiute tribe, president of the American Indian Genocide Museum), Lindsay Glauner (author, DePaul University College of Law graduate and Michigan State University graduate), Lilian Friedberg (scholar, author), www.indiancountry.com and www.marxists.org to be more CREDIBLE and IMPARTIAL when it comes to the perplexity of the native american people and the genocide they have experienced.

YOU are the same person who equates cross burning with flag burning. To be honest I don't find anything you type to be credible and of significant value.

You have sat and disected every two lines of each post I make and asked dozens of questions yet refuse to take the time to answer a handful of questions I have asked you.

Oh stop being a liar for just one minute will you?

Here are questions you asked over a two page span:

if you were black and the Ku Klux Klan lit a cross in your front yard, you wouldnt pop them in the jaw?

Answered.

When has America Intervened: Spanish American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Panama, the Balkans, etc. For better or for worse. Whose fault was it when these things went wrong?

Answered.

thats how Europe got the black plague was that genocide?

Allowed you to clarify your question.

And your comment about Rwanda just proves my point, for everyone who says we could have made a huge impact there are others who point to the intervention disasters we have both pointed out...if we went into Rwanada and it went bad what would happen? If we lost a bunch of troops or had to rely on a UN force to back us up what would happen? Would America allow it? Would it be another Vietnam, another Somalia? Another disaster?

Answered over several posts and suggested a book for you to read for further clarification.

Would you agree that your problem isnt just with America, but with the current world system? And if so what world system would you prefer?

These questions were addressed.

So where was our turning point? When did I refuse to answer any more questions because YOU failed to answer the majority of questions posed to you? When you typed the following I had enough:

NAME A STATE THAT DOESN'T! ISNT THE POINT OF A STATE TO PROTECT ITS PEOPLE AND THEIR INTEREST?

My reply to that:

I WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE YOU THE NAME OF SEVERAL COUNTRIES THAT HAVE INTERVENED IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS AND NOT RECEIVED COMPENSATION. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A SHABBY RECORD AT ANSWERING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED OF YOU I WOULD DO SO.

I had enough of your evasive answers and decided to no longer play "fair".

YOU TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WHICH WERE NEVER ASKED! WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THAT? I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR RETARDED 80% FIGURE WHICH IS WHY I SAID TO FORGET IT PAGES AGO!

I ASKED QUESTIONS BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS. MAYBE YOU NEED TO STOP POSTING IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS PEOPLE ASK BASED ON YOUR STATEMENTS.

Your own post on my 80% figure again shows that I NEVER SAID it was a fact

When you made the following statement what were you stating? What are you trying to convey?

The fact that upto 80% of Indians died from disease is disputable

You had ample time to clarify your position yet you chose to do it over 2 pages after the statement was made AND after I basically said to throw the figure out the window and move on.

and your childish name calling is an effort to draw attention away from the issue I have brought at hand which you continue to shy away from.

You set the tone with your sarcastic and insulting remarks on page five. Don't throw stones and hide your hand, buddy! I did NOT shy away from ANYTHING. What I actually did was refuse to answer your question (because you refused to answer mine) but went against that and STILL gave YOU the choice of which direction this thread would go by leaving it in YOUR hands. How did I do that?

Can I answer the rest of the b.s. you have typed or do you want me to ignore your b.s. (typical american mentality) and address his question?

I stated twice that I would either answer the rest of your questions, refute your claims (your trail of tears claim for example) and answer suspect AFTER I answered you OR we could bypass all of that and I would answer suspects question. I left it up to you. TWICE.

Furthermore you have asked me to answer questions like "what percent of Indians died from disease being spread on purpose" which you know cannot be answered, even in your favor, and use them in your favor anyways.

If it cannot be answered why have you chosen that % as a factual figure? Why have you endorsed it and cite those who do endorse it? If we do not know how many people did die as a result of disease being spread on purpose at BEST what can be said is "we do not know if this can be classified as genocide because we do not know the statitistics". However some people DO have some statistics and those point to genocide. REGARDLESS IF THE DISEASE WERE SPREAD ON PURPOSE OR NOT DID THE DISEASE HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF SYSTEMATIC REPLACEMENT? YES. IS IT GENOCIDE? YES.

I maintain my position that there were instances of Genocide but you cant characterize the American/Indian relations taking place from 17-19th century as such due to numerous other factors...

THE OTHER FACTORS TAKE US DIRECTLY BACK TO MY THREE QUESTIONS THAT YOU WILL NEVER ANSWER.

If you cant provide answers to the basic points of your argument and need to slander my name and make it my responsibilty to answer impossible questions we become deadlocked as we are now.

I DID PROVIDE ANSWERS TO THE BASIC POINTS OF MY ARGUEMENT AND EVEN GAVE YOU OPTION OF HAVING ME PROCEED FURTHER OR TO SKIP IT AND ADDRESS SOMEONE WITH A SIMILAR QUESTION TO YOURS. STOP LYING AND STOP POSTING. I HAVE NO NEED TO SLANDER THE NAME BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO NAME AND NO LOGIC BEHIND ANY OF YOUR POSITIONS. YOU MADE A CALL OF VIOLENCE TO HARM INNOCENT PROTESTERS YET YOU SAY FLAG BURNING INSTILLS FEAR. YOU EQUATE FLAG BURNING BY LAW ABIDING AMERICAN CITIZENS TO CROSS BURNING COMMITED IN THE NAME OF HATRED BY THE KKK.


YOU SLANDER YOURSELF, VERMIN AND ONCE YOU TOOK THE CONVO TO A DIFFERENT LEVEL I SIMPLY PLAYED THE GAME ON YOUR TERMS.


*NOW* YOU WANT THE POST TO DIE AND US TO MOVE ON BUT WHEN I GAVE YOU THE CHANCE POSTS AGO WHAT DID YOU DO? "DANCE"? GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE, AND STOP POSTING.


IF YOU KEEP IT UP I'M GOING TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION (NOT THE MODS) TO HAVE YOUR POSTS REMOVED FROM THIS THREAD. YOU'RE CAUSING TOO MUCH TROUBLE.




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[MaddDogg]

I thought you were going to let this die. Anyways your last post doesnt explain anything so lets just let this die...lol @ causing too much trouble!