14 states may target birthright citizenship

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Sydal

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In any case, I disagree with this shit. If you're born here, you're a citizen...period. My girl's parents aren't citizens, but she is. They are legal immigrants, but still...it's not the kids' fault if their parents come illegally.
 
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So tell me, history buff...who owned the land before the Mexicans? If I remember correctly, the Spanish came over from Europe and set up Missions and shit. Spaniards are European...the Natives were here before them. The majority of Mexicans as we know them are not native...Somebody was here before them. Half of the Mexican bloodline (Spanish) was responsible for taking land from the natives before the other white people came and took it from them. Mexicans didn't exist until the Spaniards came...which is why they speak Spanish, have Spanish names, have a country and cities with Spanish names, etc. etc.

My point is, the MEXICANS didn't own shit prior to the European invasion. The natives did....

Let's just keep it real here.
Whether you or even Mexicans themselves want to admit it, we're half native and half conqueror in theory. You're right in that the first Mexican was born after the conquest. It's an identity crisis, but we have both sides in us and one is not more important or relevant than the other.

However, as soon as Mexicans were created, the land that is California, Arizona, etc., was Mexico. WE are native to this land as Native Americans, and again as Mexicans.

I don't give a fuck what goes on in South Dakota, but in California we're running shit whether folks like it or not. 2025 isn't too far away, Spanish will be a native language of Cali as well as English. Believe me.

LOL@ me not wanting to get into it on this thread. I guess I lied.
 

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Whether you or even Mexicans themselves want to admit it, we're half native and half conqueror in theory. You're right in that the first Mexican was born after the conquest. It's an identity crisis, but we have both sides in us and one is not more important or relevant than the other.

However, as soon as Mexicans were created, the land that is California, Arizona, etc., was Mexico. WE are native to this land as Native Americans, and again as Mexicans.

I don't give a fuck what goes on in South Dakota, but in California we're running shit whether folks like it or not. 2025 isn't too far away, Spanish will be a native language of Cali as well as English. Believe me.

LOL@ me not wanting to get into it on this thread. I guess I lied.
Shit, we're not far off. lol. When I was job hunting, almost every employer PREFERRED bilingual candidates. Absolutely nothing wrong with having a diverse group of states at all. The ONLY problem lies within illegal immigration and folks who eat off the work of others. For the record, I'm talking about ALL illegal immigrants...not just Mexicans. If my Uncle were to come from Italy on some illegal shit, I'd tell him to take his ass back and do it right.

If folks pay taxes like the rest of us, I could care less who lives here or if they hopped a fence, took a boat, flew...just handle your biz like the rest of the folks here. To take it a bit further, folks who are citizens and cut out on their taxes should be deported...lol.
 

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^^^ and i also know a gang a homies who are illegal or got relis that are, that use fake SSNs/names, or use other peoples shit. my girl got a cousin that be takin mutha fuckas identities for shit...now, im not sayin all are like that, but to thorncity, i bet at least one is on that shit.
 
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Whatever the fuck that means? We're not about manipulating economies like the Jews, we work hard jobs like picking fruit, cooking, cleaning...and do good for society.

It's not our fault that the economy values snakes who manipulate instead of hard workers.


I guess that would make sense as to why it is following in Mexico's footsteps as a failing state.
Mexico should have been an anarcho-syndicalist state. US of A has interfered in their politics and political evolution since 1848 and before.

Mexico is a "failed state" yet it has a huge source of natural resources. Things like NAFTA allow foreign (US) companies to control the natural resources and take all the wealth away from the people. Mexico's government is a bunch of snakes and little bitches to US Government.

Viva Magonismo!
 
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the biggest tax dodgers in the U.S.A. aren't the illegals........

it's the business owners that hire the illegals,


Which is why many business owners privately, and often publicly support measures to protect illegal immigrants.

How else do you think they have managed to keep minimum wage at such absurdly low levels lol? Always make sure there are more workers than jobs, and those who control the jobs have the power. Simple economics.
 
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Whether you or even Mexicans themselves want to admit it, we're half native and half conqueror in theory. You're right in that the first Mexican was born after the conquest. It's an identity crisis, but we have both sides in us and one is not more important or relevant than the other.

However, as soon as Mexicans were created, the land that is California, Arizona, etc., was Mexico. WE are native to this land as Native Americans, and again as Mexicans.

I don't give a fuck what goes on in South Dakota, but in California we're running shit whether folks like it or not. 2025 isn't too far away, Spanish will be a native language of Cali as well as English. Believe me.

LOL@ me not wanting to get into it on this thread. I guess I lied.
That's cool but I get in arguments with LA chicanos Mexicans about how LA is theres and blacks and gringos can get the fuck out but half the people who formed LA were black, black mexican, mullatto mexican but they were black, so I have a problem with Mexicans who revise history and use a number game to intimidate others. The law is bullshit, and other minorities shouldn't buy into it but sometimes Mexicans scare the other minorities onto the 'enemy's' side cuz they make it seem like "yeah, we're coming changing the way everyone lives, taking shit over and fuck everybody."
 
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Which is why many business owners privately, and often publicly support measures to protect illegal immigrants.

How else do you think they have managed to keep minimum wage at such absurdly low levels lol? Always make sure there are more workers than jobs, and those who control the jobs have the power. Simple economics.
^If workers looked at themselves beyond their own nation and as workers of the world, they would be able to make a bigger difference. Instead, nation/states keep us separate and allow private business to control.

Blaming undocumented workers is pretty stupid.


That's cool but I get in arguments with LA chicanos Mexicans about how LA is theres and blacks and gringos can get the fuck out but half the people who formed LA were black, black mexican, mullatto mexican but they were black, so I have a problem with Mexicans who revise history and use a number game to intimidate others. The law is bullshit, and other minorities shouldn't buy into it but sometimes Mexicans scare the other minorities onto the 'enemy's' side cuz they make it seem like "yeah, we're coming changing the way everyone lives, taking shit over and fuck everybody."
I feel you man. Blacks vs Mexicans is a big thing down south and it's bull shit. It's like a fight to see who the superior "minority" is...

A lot of things factor into why we're not united.
 
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Whatever the fuck that means? We're not about manipulating economies like the Jews
I figured sense you guys ran shit down there you might have something to do with the performance of that which you ran.

If you run a company and it tanks, you might be held responsible.

we work hard jobs like picking fruit, cooking, cleaning...and do good for society.
Definitely sounds like you are "running shit" down there. :confused:

It's not our fault that the economy values snakes who manipulate instead of hard workers.
Since you run shit, whose fault is it?


Mexico should have been an anarcho-syndicalist state. US of A has interfered in their politics and political evolution since 1848 and before.
And by making the conscious choice to remain a citizen of the US of A aren't you supporting the US of A to continue their manipulation and interference with Mexico's economics with your tax dollars and in some degree morally supporting by maintaining "membership" in it?

Mexico is a "failed state" yet it has a huge source of natural resources. Things like NAFTA allow foreign (US) companies to control the natural resources and take all the wealth away from the people.

Mexico's government is a bunch of snakes and little bitches to US Government
No argument.
 
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^If workers looked at themselves beyond their own nation and as workers of the world, they would be able to make a bigger difference. Instead, nation/states keep us separate and allow private business to control.

Blaming undocumented workers is pretty stupid.
I am not blaming the workers at all. They are just trying to better their life and take care of their families. Kudos to them.

I am blaming those who support the system :classic:
 
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Let me ask you this...if the current system collapses, who will be able to survive without everything set up for them the way it is? People who depend on others to grow their food, or those who can grow food themselves?

The work we do is undervalued in the current economy, where manipulation of business is valued way more. However, in the grand scheme of things, when shit hits the fan, the typical American is not self-sufficient at all and totally reliant on others taking care of them.

This is why I say, we're "running shit." If you look outside the box, maybe you'll understand what I mean.
 
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However, in the grand scheme of things, when shit hits the fan, the typical American is not self-sufficient at all and totally reliant on others taking care of them.

This is why I say, we're "running shit." If you look outside the box, maybe you'll understand what I mean.


i looked outside the box and theres a lot of mexicans on government assistance...thats self sufficient?
 

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Let me ask you this...if the current system collapses, who will be able to survive without everything set up for them the way it is? People who depend on others to grow their food, or those who can grow food themselves?
The United States has become this great nation and described by many as the land of opportunity. Immigrants (Legal) have played a large role in the development of this country. Prior to the flood of millions of Illegal immigrants we survived just fine. So what makes you think we could not grow food. We could always allow numbers of immigrants to come here legally to fill these voids. You also mentioned ina previous post about private business having control...well private sector business creates jobs..so people can work..pay taxes..so we can create more jobs to pay city workers, military, firemen, police officers,.ensure sanitation is taken care of, roads are built and maintained. Government is not responsible for creating jobs...private business and workers that pay taxes allow a government to run the country and make decisions that benefit the most.
 
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Let me ask you this...if the current system collapses, who will be able to survive without everything set up for them the way it is? People who depend on others to grow their food, or those who can grow food themselves?

The work we do is undervalued in the current economy, where manipulation of business is valued way more. However, in the grand scheme of things, when shit hits the fan, the typical American is not self-sufficient at all and totally reliant on others taking care of them.

This is why I say, we're "running shit." If you look outside the box, maybe you'll understand what I mean.

that doesn't devalue "the typical american" but there is truth in what you said

but whose lands are those foods grown on?