13 Assassins
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If you don't like it then don't watch it anymore.
Who cares if the killing scenes weren't as accurate as a Nat Geo WW2 documentary.
The story line was great. The actors were on point. The outfits were perfect. Had traditional Miike comedy here and there.
I was looking forward to this movie since I heard about it over a year ago. I was more than happy with it. You can't knock Miike Takeshi as a director. The guy is one of the best in the world. You may just not like his style...
The only valid point is that traditional hardcore samurai movie fans are saying it's unrealistic. Samurai drama fanatics brushed it off as a joke, because realistically 13 samurai's going against 300 is straight suicide. So they are putting it into a fantasy type category. That's legitimate, coming from hard cores who sit around and worship Ryoma and Musashi. You're picking apart this movie like your a director or producer. People swear they can do better...
Who cares if the killing scenes weren't as accurate as a Nat Geo WW2 documentary.
The story line was great. The actors were on point. The outfits were perfect. Had traditional Miike comedy here and there.
I was looking forward to this movie since I heard about it over a year ago. I was more than happy with it. You can't knock Miike Takeshi as a director. The guy is one of the best in the world. You may just not like his style...
The only valid point is that traditional hardcore samurai movie fans are saying it's unrealistic. Samurai drama fanatics brushed it off as a joke, because realistically 13 samurai's going against 300 is straight suicide. So they are putting it into a fantasy type category. That's legitimate, coming from hard cores who sit around and worship Ryoma and Musashi. You're picking apart this movie like your a director or producer. People swear they can do better...
I'm 100% sure I could do better but I don't think I could work as efficiently as most directors, especially asian ones, they get shit done quickly. As far as not liking the style I didn't mind it at all, I like pretty much anything as long as its good at what it does. I think the film had alot of good moments but plenty of ugly ones too.
I also agree with everything here^ To be fair my only complaint was the action directing, the first hour was a good lead up to the final fight which was put together sloppy imo. Like I said before there was a few good moments and brilliant takes, such as the camera being pointed at a soldiers back and he literally gets sliced in two, that was one of the few memorable shots I remember.
I also agree with everything here^ To be fair my only complaint was the action directing, the first hour was a good lead up to the final fight which was put together sloppy imo. Like I said before there was a few good moments and brilliant takes, such as the camera being pointed at a soldiers back and he literally gets sliced in two, that was one of the few memorable shots I remember.
Ya, the first hour was legit.
The fight scene could have been a little better. I wish they would have shown the spear Ronin a little more. The flaming bulls made is really childish. I wouldn't call the movie bad though.
So much garbage is thrown out these days. Especially American movies. I appreciate this movie for what it was.
The fight scene could have been a little better. I wish they would have shown the spear Ronin a little more. The flaming bulls made is really childish. I wouldn't call the movie bad though.
So much garbage is thrown out these days. Especially American movies. I appreciate this movie for what it was.
Oh, hell yeah @ the spearman..I loved that guy as soon as he showed up and he could of provided a bit of variety. I'm convinced the mayor was still the badest mother fucker in the movie for sure, then it would be the spearman. Maybe I'll give this movie again another shot when a HD/Blu-Ray comes out, its hard to find great war movies.
Hollywood has a few good movies here and there, mostly (dark) comedies. Can anyone remember the last good war movie to come out of hollywood? lol
Hollywood has a few good movies here and there, mostly (dark) comedies. Can anyone remember the last good war movie to come out of hollywood? lol
Oh jesus. Retribution always takes the opposite side of the argument when it comes to anything "martial arts" movie related. No matter how good it is, he will find something to complain about or tear it down completely and compare to some other martial arts move that he thinks no one has seen but him.
No one is impressed with your "knowledge" of martial arts movie, boss. Give it a rest.
No one is impressed with your "knowledge" of martial arts movie, boss. Give it a rest.
The movie was such a disappointment I'm just pissed off about it tbh, my bad..Btw obviously you never watched either film or read my posts completely because if you really did you would find valid points I made, or is this another one of your relentless trolling efforts all because I offended a favorite movie of yours a long time ago?
Really, you should give it a rest. I know I won't be catering to your trolling further than this, but keep trying I admire the effort!
Really, you should give it a rest. I know I won't be catering to your trolling further than this, but keep trying I admire the effort!
incorrect the original 13 Assasins is almost the same like remake with few small changes so whos ripping who off ideas? cuz its not Miike it seems that HK cinema dont have original ideas
that mixed MA and spearplay what u talkin about is 1 of the reasons why samurai movies always be more realistic cuz they dont need to use all those fancy moves to show sword fight.and all those sidestep + slash u complaining about that all the beauty about jidaigeki movies and how samurai put in use their swords.
hahaha and comments like this make me laugh.i understand u studied weaponry and MA from japan and china that u know all this LOOOL.
u really have no idea about samurai and way they fighting :lick::lick: how many samurais movie did u watch 2-3 u need to watch few classics from 60-70. the dueal on katana's is like chess play u need to predict your foe moves otherwise u can die (scene where that dude killing 4 guys in 4 cuts) and master samurai can take on any kind of weapon from that period and proly won but im sure u know better since u an expert
and last but not least there is a reason that critics and fans comparr Mikke version to Kurosawa movies and another about TK: ROTD - getting mostly very average reviews
that mixed MA and spearplay what u talkin about is 1 of the reasons why samurai movies always be more realistic cuz they dont need to use all those fancy moves to show sword fight.and all those sidestep + slash u complaining about that all the beauty about jidaigeki movies and how samurai put in use their swords.
hahaha and comments like this make me laugh.i understand u studied weaponry and MA from japan and china that u know all this LOOOL.
u really have no idea about samurai and way they fighting :lick::lick: how many samurais movie did u watch 2-3 u need to watch few classics from 60-70. the dueal on katana's is like chess play u need to predict your foe moves otherwise u can die (scene where that dude killing 4 guys in 4 cuts) and master samurai can take on any kind of weapon from that period and proly won but im sure u know better since u an expert
and last but not least there is a reason that critics and fans comparr Mikke version to Kurosawa movies and another about TK: ROTD - getting mostly very average reviews
hahaha and comments like this make me laugh.i understand u studied weaponry and MA from japan and china that u know all this LOOOL.
u really have no idea about samurai and way they fighting :lick::lick: how many samurais movie did u watch 2-3 u need to watch few classics from 60-70. the dueal on katana's is like chess play u need to predict your foe moves otherwise u can die (scene where that dude killing 4 guys in 4 cuts) and master samurai can take on any kind of weapon from that period and proly won but im sure u know better since u an expert
and last but not least there is a reason that critics and fans comparr Mikke version to Kurosawa movies and another about TK: ROTD - getting mostly very average reviews
u really have no idea about samurai and way they fighting :lick::lick: how many samurais movie did u watch 2-3 u need to watch few classics from 60-70. the dueal on katana's is like chess play u need to predict your foe moves otherwise u can die (scene where that dude killing 4 guys in 4 cuts) and master samurai can take on any kind of weapon from that period and proly won but im sure u know better since u an expert
and last but not least there is a reason that critics and fans comparr Mikke version to Kurosawa movies and another about TK: ROTD - getting mostly very average reviews
Your a idiot, if you actually read the reviews people gave they all read "This movie sucks because its historically inaccurate" when anyone who puts that bs aside gives it at least a 8. People get sensitive when any movie or game is not EXACTLY like the novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which to begin with is at least 30% inaccurate historically so its really a hypocritical joke and reason to hate on the film. Its a classic and shits on Red Cliff in every way possible which got more praise imo
I've seen alot of good movies but as far as Drama, War, Biography, and action goes..you will never see a better film.
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u dont have speed advantage with spear its quite common sense, maybe with wooden yes but if u go against samurai with wood its quite obvious what happened with that person but well u know better u are specialist because u watch that movie 10 times
and of course samurai fighting translates much better to film then wuxia/kung fu cus like i mention before they dont need to show all those flying/sliding/jumping to show the way they fight
and im not reading some random people reviews just those who write professionally for newspapers or magazine
RED CLIFF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TK: ROTD
in any categories u mention above
u dont have speed advantage with spear its quite common sense, maybe with wooden yes but if u go against samurai with wood its quite obvious what happened with that person but well u know better u are specialist because u watch that movie 10 times
and of course samurai fighting translates much better to film then wuxia/kung fu cus like i mention before they dont need to show all those flying/sliding/jumping to show the way they fight
and im not reading some random people reviews just those who write professionally for newspapers or magazine
RED CLIFF >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TK: ROTD
in any categories u mention above
Spears are easier to handle, although swords (let alone a perfectly balanced/weighted samurai's) can be just as good if you practice ALOT. Also why are you assuming the spear a person is using is automatically wooden? Most are yes (if your a low ranking soldier), but thin iron and steel (and other more expensive materials) can be made, especially for a high ranking warlord. Once again where is any flying in TK:ROTD? And whats wrong with jumping a couple feet off the ground? Are you stupid or just assuming the movie is some crouching tiger hidden dragon shit because you never watched it?
Well to be more specific I also looked up the ratings because it was one of the best movies I ever seen and was shocked to see it was around a 5, then when I read the reviews that all complained about how its not accurate to history I found it kind of hilarious. The thing is everyone who has seen the movie will agree it is amazing but some let the novel cloud their judgement, as a movie its amazing as a historical reflection it is horrible but once again your watching a movie, enjoy it.
Your a absolute idiot if you think Red Cliff beats TK:ROTD in all the categories listed above, first off there is little to no drama in Red Cliff and the action is choppy and shitty. The hilarious part is in TK:ROTD they used people who never trained martial arts in their life (Andy Lau, the main character has never properly trained martial arts EVER untill his role in the recent film Shaolin 2011) and somehow they looked like gods in TK:ROTD. Let alone knowing Red Cliff used martial artists but TK:ROTD was far better, thats the advantage you get when you hire a guy like Sammo Hung to do all the choeography and action directing, props to him.
I'd like to see you try and explain how exactly the action and drama was better in Red Cliff, don't get me wrong I liked Red Cliff but there is almost no drama in it and the action is also great but compared to TK:ROTD its a fucking joke. Also the storyline in TK:ROTD was much better for sure. They had something called character development and a perfect flow of consistency through out the film that made the delivery of the film flawless, which is something Red Cliff clearly lacked.
Well to be more specific I also looked up the ratings because it was one of the best movies I ever seen and was shocked to see it was around a 5, then when I read the reviews that all complained about how its not accurate to history I found it kind of hilarious. The thing is everyone who has seen the movie will agree it is amazing but some let the novel cloud their judgement, as a movie its amazing as a historical reflection it is horrible but once again your watching a movie, enjoy it.
Your a absolute idiot if you think Red Cliff beats TK:ROTD in all the categories listed above, first off there is little to no drama in Red Cliff and the action is choppy and shitty. The hilarious part is in TK:ROTD they used people who never trained martial arts in their life (Andy Lau, the main character has never properly trained martial arts EVER untill his role in the recent film Shaolin 2011) and somehow they looked like gods in TK:ROTD. Let alone knowing Red Cliff used martial artists but TK:ROTD was far better, thats the advantage you get when you hire a guy like Sammo Hung to do all the choeography and action directing, props to him.
I'd like to see you try and explain how exactly the action and drama was better in Red Cliff, don't get me wrong I liked Red Cliff but there is almost no drama in it and the action is also great but compared to TK:ROTD its a fucking joke. Also the storyline in TK:ROTD was much better for sure. They had something called character development and a perfect flow of consistency through out the film that made the delivery of the film flawless, which is something Red Cliff clearly lacked.
The fact that you guys are analyzing actual weaponry by using movie scenes is pretty ridiculous. How are movies even relevant?
It's like me saying Rush Hour 2 was a better display of martial arts than Blood Sport.
"Oh, Jackie Chan has a perfect round house. If you look at the way Van Damme actually beat the muy thai guy, you would see that he drops his right hand while he is kicking. Totally inviting him in to kick him back. Who does that, lol?"
It's just a movie.
It's like me saying Rush Hour 2 was a better display of martial arts than Blood Sport.
"Oh, Jackie Chan has a perfect round house. If you look at the way Van Damme actually beat the muy thai guy, you would see that he drops his right hand while he is kicking. Totally inviting him in to kick him back. Who does that, lol?"
It's just a movie.
I've fucked around with swords and spears/staffs before, swords are horribly hard to use but I never used a well balanced/weighted one. Staffs/Spears on the other hand anyone can pick them up and use them efficiently as long as you have great arm strength. When I say I fucked around with I obviously never trained with either or.
@Retribution
small review for u:
http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews_2/three_kingdoms.html
and from me
why the change topis now? Don’t have more arguments LOOL what u gonna argue now what is drama and what not? This movie is historic drama so here u go. Sure andy lau never been a proper martial artist but don’t foget he played alredy in those kind of movies so he has experince btw who from main characters from red cliff is martial artist then hmmm none LOOL they just regular actors like andy lau so next your failed argument
Loool calling me idiot when u are pretty dumb ur self, And u asked where they flying in that film that jump on the horse over the cliff what is it maybe superhorse from ancient china? And then ur realistic movie haha when he is fighting with child on his back yep that’s the definition of realizm and u where complaining about samurais waiting in line to get cut so answer me what those guys doing with those spears in TK when he was trying to save the baby cuz they evidentlly didn’t fight with him maybe they where waiting for some miracle and I did manage to just re-watch just half of the movie I will come back with more realisitc scenes from that masterpiece of yours. U really need to watch that movie again if u still claiming that TK was more realistic than 13 assasins cuz its like comapring fantasy to real events
small review for u:
http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews_2/three_kingdoms.html
and from me
why the change topis now? Don’t have more arguments LOOL what u gonna argue now what is drama and what not? This movie is historic drama so here u go. Sure andy lau never been a proper martial artist but don’t foget he played alredy in those kind of movies so he has experince btw who from main characters from red cliff is martial artist then hmmm none LOOL they just regular actors like andy lau so next your failed argument
Loool calling me idiot when u are pretty dumb ur self, And u asked where they flying in that film that jump on the horse over the cliff what is it maybe superhorse from ancient china? And then ur realistic movie haha when he is fighting with child on his back yep that’s the definition of realizm and u where complaining about samurais waiting in line to get cut so answer me what those guys doing with those spears in TK when he was trying to save the baby cuz they evidentlly didn’t fight with him maybe they where waiting for some miracle and I did manage to just re-watch just half of the movie I will come back with more realisitc scenes from that masterpiece of yours. U really need to watch that movie again if u still claiming that TK was more realistic than 13 assasins cuz its like comapring fantasy to real events
Putting the baby to bed
13 Assassins currently holds a 90% over at Rotten Tomatoes and an average score of 8/10.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13_assassins_2011/
13 Assassins currently holds a 90% over at Rotten Tomatoes and an average score of 8/10.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/13_assassins_2011/
Congratulations, you are a complete idiot who just proved my point. I said earlier the only people who rate this movie low are those who complain about the storyline not matching with the fictional novel, not only does that review bitch about it several times he goes out of his way and brings up something as random as Dynasty Warriors just to throw it in. Also I can tell he doesn't understand the movie and the direction they took it by him complaining about the narriting by Ping even though since the begining the entire journey was told by his experience. He also expressed hating anything except action and war which is pure simpleton shit, the movie was made through a subtle approach for realism which is why its on my favorites. One more thing, I highly doubt there was any undercranking the film (speeding up) done..If there was, its the most believable in any film I've ever seen..
I've never watched older Andy Lau films so I wouldn't know, but Andy Lau hasn't been in as many war movies as Tony Leung who has had more training than him by far. The other main characters don't have much info on them (Guan Yu, Zhao Yun) but Gan Ning has played in martial art films, he was the last opponent in Fearless come on man lol...
He wasn't "flying" if you looked closely you would notice the cliff he jumped from was taller than the one he landed on, which was why the horse appeared that it would have almost made it but theres no way in hell it would of landed without wrecking. Obviously they used a green screen for that part and recorded the horse actually jumping, they just slowed the part down to give it a more suspenseful effect even though it was cheap.
One last thing that I find absolutely sick about Red Cliff and digusts me to even watch, you know someone actually died in the making of the film from a fire right? Fuckin amateurs I tell ya, next time hire a professional lol..
Donnie Yen's new movie is rated a 9.5 so whats your point? The thing about high ratings on IMDB most relies on how well it appeals to a large audience which is why there is age and gender brackets showing you how everyone voted. So all that proves is most people generally accepted the movie but how many will call it a classic in 5 years? Cult classics that are usually rated low (mostly because people don't understand them) are highly favorited more than movies like this.
I've never watched older Andy Lau films so I wouldn't know, but Andy Lau hasn't been in as many war movies as Tony Leung who has had more training than him by far. The other main characters don't have much info on them (Guan Yu, Zhao Yun) but Gan Ning has played in martial art films, he was the last opponent in Fearless come on man lol...
He wasn't "flying" if you looked closely you would notice the cliff he jumped from was taller than the one he landed on, which was why the horse appeared that it would have almost made it but theres no way in hell it would of landed without wrecking. Obviously they used a green screen for that part and recorded the horse actually jumping, they just slowed the part down to give it a more suspenseful effect even though it was cheap.
One last thing that I find absolutely sick about Red Cliff and digusts me to even watch, you know someone actually died in the making of the film from a fire right? Fuckin amateurs I tell ya, next time hire a professional lol..
Donnie Yen's new movie is rated a 9.5 so whats your point? The thing about high ratings on IMDB most relies on how well it appeals to a large audience which is why there is age and gender brackets showing you how everyone voted. So all that proves is most people generally accepted the movie but how many will call it a classic in 5 years? Cult classics that are usually rated low (mostly because people don't understand them) are highly favorited more than movies like this.
Do you mean The Last Bladesman, which has a 9.4 based on 8 user votes over at IMDb and a 50% over at RT based on 6 critics? 13 Assassins doesn't have a shit ton of votes over at IMDb, but 1800+ is certainly a lot more than 6. I am willing to bet that The Last Bladesman will be below an 8 by the time that many votes come in. The critical reception so far is a good indication of that likelihood.
There is critic review here, in closing he commented there is historical inaccuracy which may be the only reason he gave it a 4/5.
http://www.moviexclusive.com/review/thelostbladesman/thelostbladesman.html
The point I was making by bringing that up is I bet the movie sucks, even Ip Man has over a 8 on IMDB and its not his best movie imo..but it does deserve about a 8.
http://www.moviexclusive.com/review/thelostbladesman/thelostbladesman.html
The point I was making by bringing that up is I bet the movie sucks, even Ip Man has over a 8 on IMDB and its not his best movie imo..but it does deserve about a 8.
Lot's of people don't realize how diverse Miike can be. He makes a fuckin shit load of movies, like 4 or 5 a year I believe. He is more known for his f'd up violent/sexual films but really he does everything including family films and even a musical. Yakuza gangster films are def his main deal though. He has done more of these than anything else. I would recommend his remake of GRAVEYARD OF HONOR. That is a BAD ASS movie.