13 Assassins
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Didn't really like it at all, thanks for the link anyways.
Coolest character was the guy whos family got murdered so he blocked off the path, dude had one hell of a mean mug..Probably could of killed everyone by himself or made the troops turn around and go home before thinking of drawing their swords.
Coolest character was the guy whos family got murdered so he blocked off the path, dude had one hell of a mean mug..Probably could of killed everyone by himself or made the troops turn around and go home before thinking of drawing their swords.
I don't get what you mean by the first part but to the second whoever directed the action did a horrible job. I mean it was acceptable but far from what it should have been, there was alot of bad angles on the fighting and it was hard to see at times through all the bodies. The fight was long and you could tell everyone (except the main character, the second strongest samurai, and the 13th) wasn't playing their roles very well and looked a little confused and off during the fight that also goes to the fault of the action director not setting each scene up well. Who directed the action?
More specifically, almost every scene there was a soldier standing behind a samurai just staying still for long periods of time untill the samurai finished off the ones in front of him and sidesteped to slice them. Literally some of them are standing there for 5 seconds within a foot or two and never attack, I was thinking "What the fuck is going on, that Samurai should of been dead by now?"
There was also a part when 2 of the samurais (the weakest ones I think) put their backs against the wall and a spear went through one of them, which was confusing because only one guy on that battlefield had a spear and we all knew who that was but it was never revealed he was a traitor and later he was still fighting off the emperors army..Was very strange unless I mistaked it for something else.
More specifically, almost every scene there was a soldier standing behind a samurai just staying still for long periods of time untill the samurai finished off the ones in front of him and sidesteped to slice them. Literally some of them are standing there for 5 seconds within a foot or two and never attack, I was thinking "What the fuck is going on, that Samurai should of been dead by now?"
There was also a part when 2 of the samurais (the weakest ones I think) put their backs against the wall and a spear went through one of them, which was confusing because only one guy on that battlefield had a spear and we all knew who that was but it was never revealed he was a traitor and later he was still fighting off the emperors army..Was very strange unless I mistaked it for something else.
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if u notice almost all samurais movie are done this way that they attacking one-by-one cant tell why exatly but it must be reason for it that all directors doin this the same way and with that spear wasnt confusing at all it could be any1 who picked up the spear
and about those wierdos attacking their owns well in that amok battle they proly just went crazy like one of those samurais said who in that age know how to fight
and those fighting scene even not perfect a way more realistic then any wuxia/kung fu movies ever made
if u notice almost all samurais movie are done this way that they attacking one-by-one cant tell why exatly but it must be reason for it that all directors doin this the same way and with that spear wasnt confusing at all it could be any1 who picked up the spear
and about those wierdos attacking their owns well in that amok battle they proly just went crazy like one of those samurais said who in that age know how to fight
and those fighting scene even not perfect a way more realistic then any wuxia/kung fu movies ever made
Read what I said again, I said it IS REALISTIC BUT NOT THE MOST (REALISTIC) BY FAR, AND I'VE SEEN BETTER (FILMS THAT WERE JUST AS REALISTIC) AT THAT.
Three Kingdoms: ROTD for example is just as realistic if not more and the film completely shits on this on because it has godly directing compared to this, character development, and the action is probably the best I seen in any war movie.
Three Kingdoms: ROTD for example is just as realistic if not more and the film completely shits on this on because it has godly directing compared to this, character development, and the action is probably the best I seen in any war movie.
Wow. Wtf? Actually, whoever directed the action did a superb job. The angles were fine, and if some of it was hard to see through all the bodies, that was the intention. This is not a highly-stylized Zack Snyder flick (thank God.) I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about regarding everyone not "playing their roles well and looked a little confused."
None of what you said here actually happened in 13 Assassins. In fact, I sat and watched the big end battle scene again just to make sure. The 13 were fighting off soldiers from all sides. Soldiers weren't standing behind them doing nothing for even 2 seconds, what to speak of 5?
You don't know that only one guy had a spear. There were over 200 soldiers present. The movie didn't introduce them one-by-one and break down what all they had in their arsenals for you. That would've been retarded. Also, you don't know all that happened along the way. Maybe that soldier found a spear lying around. It really doesn't matter. Does a soldier showing up with a spear fuck with the continuity for you or something? Or are you just nitpicking where there actually isn't anything to be nitpicked?
None of what you said here actually happened in 13 Assassins. In fact, I sat and watched the big end battle scene again just to make sure. The 13 were fighting off soldiers from all sides. Soldiers weren't standing behind them doing nothing for even 2 seconds, what to speak of 5?
You don't know that only one guy had a spear. There were over 200 soldiers present. The movie didn't introduce them one-by-one and break down what all they had in their arsenals for you. That would've been retarded. Also, you don't know all that happened along the way. Maybe that soldier found a spear lying around. It really doesn't matter. Does a soldier showing up with a spear fuck with the continuity for you or something? Or are you just nitpicking where there actually isn't anything to be nitpicked?
I'm 100% sure there was at least a few parts where a soldier was standing by just watching (really waiting to get killed) when he could of attacked, its a rookie mistake but I understand the samurai style they wanted to stress and I think they did it well, even though it was extremely repetitive.
The thing about this was they made the scene look dramatic and deceptive, meaning they were implying that some treasonous shit just went down. It was the way the director captured that scene that sold me into thinking that, either way I honestly don't care and as far as nitpicking I'm not trying to nitpick but the film really sucked that bad. I'm sorry but it was fucking horrible and it felt like a knockoff of this film:
even down to the approach:
-The first 30+ minutes was spent when the leader was coaxing and recruting assassins/bodyguards to aid in his impossible and greatly outnumbered fight against the emperor. There was also A TON of politics involved that caused this entire conflict and it was shown as soon as the movie started.
-The last bit of the film was a huge major fight that was almost an hour long as soon as the leader arrives, assassins begin by launching arrows from the rooftops which kills a large majority of people and most of the paths are blocked off by ambushes and traps. Everyone starts dying one by one untill there is only one person left standing (possibly 2 can't remember atm).
Now flip the movie, In 13 assassins there was a part where a mayor? blocked off a path so the emperor could not go through. In B&A there was a part where the policeman of the city blocked off the path from the assassins and aided the bodyguards to escape through it. When you put these 2 films side by side they are completely identical even the assassins have control of the town while the bodyguards try to protect their leader as they travel through it.
I actually haven't seen B&A in over a year but I can recall it better than 13 Assassins because it was more memorable even though it was a bad film, if that tells you how much I thought 13 Assassins sucked. I'm sure there are more similarities but I would have to see both films again but I have never seen 2 unique films share the same exact approach and practically storyline.
The thing about this was they made the scene look dramatic and deceptive, meaning they were implying that some treasonous shit just went down. It was the way the director captured that scene that sold me into thinking that, either way I honestly don't care and as far as nitpicking I'm not trying to nitpick but the film really sucked that bad. I'm sorry but it was fucking horrible and it felt like a knockoff of this film:
even down to the approach:
-The first 30+ minutes was spent when the leader was coaxing and recruting assassins/bodyguards to aid in his impossible and greatly outnumbered fight against the emperor. There was also A TON of politics involved that caused this entire conflict and it was shown as soon as the movie started.
-The last bit of the film was a huge major fight that was almost an hour long as soon as the leader arrives, assassins begin by launching arrows from the rooftops which kills a large majority of people and most of the paths are blocked off by ambushes and traps. Everyone starts dying one by one untill there is only one person left standing (possibly 2 can't remember atm).
Now flip the movie, In 13 assassins there was a part where a mayor? blocked off a path so the emperor could not go through. In B&A there was a part where the policeman of the city blocked off the path from the assassins and aided the bodyguards to escape through it. When you put these 2 films side by side they are completely identical even the assassins have control of the town while the bodyguards try to protect their leader as they travel through it.
I actually haven't seen B&A in over a year but I can recall it better than 13 Assassins because it was more memorable even though it was a bad film, if that tells you how much I thought 13 Assassins sucked. I'm sure there are more similarities but I would have to see both films again but I have never seen 2 unique films share the same exact approach and practically storyline.
I'm still calling bullshit. If a soldier was ever standing by, it's because he was too far from any of the assassins, and he had to wait his turn.
The scene was dramatic, yes. But there was nothing deceptive being implied. The dramatic part was how the two assassins had very briefly gone out of battle-mode and had a friend moment, and then all of a sudden one of them gets run through. IF something treasonous was meant in that scene, there would've been a follow-up. There wasn't. Therefore, you can deduce that nothing treasonous or deceptive was going on. As far as the film sucking bad, all I can say is that this is the best movie I have seen this year so far. There's a reason why critics are comparing it to Kurosawa. But you might not care for any of his movies either.
I haven't seen this Bodyguards & Assassins movie. So I can't really comment. But based on trailers alone, 13 Assassins gets my vote, easily. Of course, that doesn't really mean anything because B&A could just have a really shitty trailer. 13 Assassins' trailer is awesome, and the movie delivered on that promise. You can totally hate it. That's your opinion. But the reasons you're attempting to give just don't hold up. Nonetheless, I understand that, at the end of the day, even if I can convince you that your criticisms are unfounded, you will still have the same opinion of the movie overall.
The scene was dramatic, yes. But there was nothing deceptive being implied. The dramatic part was how the two assassins had very briefly gone out of battle-mode and had a friend moment, and then all of a sudden one of them gets run through. IF something treasonous was meant in that scene, there would've been a follow-up. There wasn't. Therefore, you can deduce that nothing treasonous or deceptive was going on. As far as the film sucking bad, all I can say is that this is the best movie I have seen this year so far. There's a reason why critics are comparing it to Kurosawa. But you might not care for any of his movies either.
I haven't seen this Bodyguards & Assassins movie. So I can't really comment. But based on trailers alone, 13 Assassins gets my vote, easily. Of course, that doesn't really mean anything because B&A could just have a really shitty trailer. 13 Assassins' trailer is awesome, and the movie delivered on that promise. You can totally hate it. That's your opinion. But the reasons you're attempting to give just don't hold up. Nonetheless, I understand that, at the end of the day, even if I can convince you that your criticisms are unfounded, you will still have the same opinion of the movie overall.
@Retribution we know that u Donnie Yen psychofan but saying 13 Assasins is a rip-off of B&A is just plain stupid. how can remake movie from 60's can be rip off something from 2010 and maybe actually is other way around- B&A is rip off original Jûsan-nin no shikaku and u nicely prove it.
Three Kingdoms: ROTD can movie where people fly can be more realistic?it might have better choreography but that doesnt mean is more realistic
before u add anything else to that discussion maybe u should watch original first
Three Kingdoms: ROTD can movie where people fly can be more realistic?it might have better choreography but that doesnt mean is more realistic
before u add anything else to that discussion maybe u should watch original first
Where the hell do people fly around in TK:ROTD? I also said B&A sucks but the 2 films have wayyyyy too much in common and are coincendentally 2 years apart. I wasn't aware 13 Assassins was a remake but I also doubt its exactly like the original, we are talking about a film that took the same exact approach of another that was released recently. I also agree that 13 Assassins had a way better trailer which is why I got my hopes up.
I am 100% TK:ROTD is more realistic than this movie rambo, I've seen the movie over 10 times.
I am 100% TK:ROTD is more realistic than this movie rambo, I've seen the movie over 10 times.
Reserve your judgement untill you watch the movie, people die immediately after being shanked. Did you possibly watch the wrong movie trailer?
And what do you mean by "highly stylized fight scenes"? That its unrealistic for a person to use more than one move unlike 13 Assassins? Sure, the simple sidestep+slash in 13 Assassins is direct and effective but its boring to watch after they've done it a thousand times. Just because the main character in TK: ROTD mixes martial arts and spearplay well doesn't mean its unrealistic, if anything it just means he can probably fuck anyone up in a 1v1, he damn sure would break the pattern of those samurais who use the same fucking move the entire time and they wouldn't know how to deal with him.
I'm done talking about a movie that has fucking cgi'd bulls on fire running through the town and somehow didn't catch shit on fire from what I remember.
And what do you mean by "highly stylized fight scenes"? That its unrealistic for a person to use more than one move unlike 13 Assassins? Sure, the simple sidestep+slash in 13 Assassins is direct and effective but its boring to watch after they've done it a thousand times. Just because the main character in TK: ROTD mixes martial arts and spearplay well doesn't mean its unrealistic, if anything it just means he can probably fuck anyone up in a 1v1, he damn sure would break the pattern of those samurais who use the same fucking move the entire time and they wouldn't know how to deal with him.
I'm done talking about a movie that has fucking cgi'd bulls on fire running through the town and somehow didn't catch shit on fire from what I remember.