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323 was the PEAK, it averaged under 300k which is absolutely abysmal, even for Showtime. Point is $2m is being overpaid tremendously if you're only pulling in those kinds of numbers.

These guys are getting paid good, man. Look at what UFC fighters get paid and tell me HBO is raping fighters for offering them over a million dollars per fight. Kovalev vs Pascal, at that time, the offer from HBO was legit and in the ballpark of what they deserved. The fight is a bit bigger now since Kovalev's name has grown since beating Hopkins and Pascal, so the value is more now verses then.
 
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Great news!!!


Roman Gonzalez Says HBO Deal is For Several Fights




World Boxing Council flyweight champion Roman “Chocolatito” Gonzalez (42-0, 36KOs)says he's going to make a big impression in his upcoming fight against Edgar Sosa (51-8, 30KOs). For Roman, all roads lead to Los Angeles for his May 16th return at the Inglewood Forum.

It's there where he'll be defending his WBC flyweight championship against Edgar Sosa. He's sharing the card with explosive puncher and WBC interim-middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin.

There's also an element of mystery...."We still don’t know where press conference in Mexico will be,” mused Chocolatito´s manager Carlos Blandon.

Roman is preparing for the most exacting and electric combat, where sparks will fly! He said:

“I'll have my training camp at the same place where Gennady Golovkin is training. He'll star in the main event of the night. I'm really happy for this opportunity. I'm also delighted in signing a four fight per year deal with HBO.

"I know great things are coming, and that motivates me to work all the harder. My mission is to make an impact on the day of the fight. I know the Forum will be crowded, and I am extra motivated for that."


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Kazuto Ioka makes second bid for flyweight title against Juan Carlos Reveco on April 22nd
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323 was the PEAK, it averaged under 300k which is absolutely abysmal, even for Showtime. Point is $2m is being overpaid tremendously if you're only pulling in those kinds of numbers.
But that's not what you said, bro.

"$2m isn't being overpaid for ratings that only drew 250,000 viewers? Lol of course that is the definition of being overpaid."

These guys are getting paid good, man. Look at what UFC fighters get paid and tell me HBO is raping fighters for offering them over a million dollars per fight. Kovalev vs Pascal, at that time, the offer from HBO was legit and in the ballpark of what they deserved. The fight is a bit bigger now since Kovalev's name has grown since beating Hopkins and Pascal, so the value is more now verses then.
They're underpaid and Kovalev was not going to see a million from the Stevenson fight. Stevens camp already showed the numbers, bro.
 
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Danny Garcia: I’m ready to make a statement against Peterson
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garcia65By Dan Ambrose: WBA/WBC light welterweight champion Danny Garcia (29-0, 17 KOs) says he plans on making a statement in his catch-weight fight at 143 pounds against IBF light welterweight champion Lamont Peterson (33-2-1, 17 KOs) on April 11th in their fight on Premier Boxing Champions (PBC) on NBC at the Barclays Center, in Brooklyn, New York, USA.

The fight will be watched by a lot of new casual fans on NBC, and this will be Garcia’s chance to impress the fans with his performance. He’s not going to be facing little Rod Salka for this fight, so he’s going to need to have to take some actual punches in return unless he can get Peterson out of there quickly.

Garcia, 27, is fighting at a catch-weight because he wants to gradually make the move up to 147, which is where he plans on fighting at as a welterweight in the near future. Garcia doesn’t want to just jump into the welterweight class like other fighters have done like Floyd Mayweather Jr, Marcos Maidana and Manny Pacquiao. He wants to ease his way in.

As big as Garcia looks after he rehydrates for his fights at light welterweight, it seems like a big waste of time him taking the slow approach to getting used to fighting at welterweight. He’s still going to have major problems against guys like Mayweather, Keith Thurman, Maidana, and Pacquiao no matter how much time he spends getting used to the higher weight for the 147lb division.

“I’m ready to make a statement,” Garcia said via Philly.com. “I have to go out there and dominate, I know that. Big money . . . I would love to. That is what boxing is about and that’s every fighter’s dream, to fight on that stage, of course, you know, for a lot of money. But it’s one fight at a time.”

There’s really not much of a statement that Garcia can make in beating Peterson, because it’s already been done before by Lucas Matthysse, who destroyed him in just three rounds in their fight in 2013. Garcia would be better off giving Matthysse a rematch rather than facing Peterson. I’m sure that a lot of boxing fans would be a lot more interested in seeing that fight than seeing Garcia fight a guy that Matthysse totally obliterated.

Garcia is about to turn 28, so he can’t take forever trying to work his way to the welterweight division. He also can’t afford to move too slowly if he wants to get a fight against Mayweather, because the 38-year-old fighter isn’t going to wait around for the next three to four years waiting for Garcia to finally feel comfortable enough to fight at the weight without the need of additional catch-weights.

After beating Lucas Matthysse by a 12 round unanimous decision in the high point of his career two years ago in September 2013, Garcia’s popularity has taken a major hit with him getting a controversial 12 round decision over Mauricio Herrera in March 2014, and then following that up with a catch-weight fight at 142 pounds against 2nd tier lightweight Rod Salka.

What was interesting about that fight was that not only did Garcia fight a guy a division below him in the lightweight Salka, but he fought him at welterweight instead of light welterweight. He dragged Salka up two divisions to face him. What was even more troubling about the fight is that Salka wasn’t even a top 15 contender at lightweight. It didn’t make sense for Garcia to pool from the lightweight division and face a non-top 15 contender. The WBA and WBC made the wise decision not to sanction the fight as a title defense after the backlash from boxing fans reached their ears.

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Broner a possibility for Algieri
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algieri5By Dan Ambrose: Light welterweight contender Chris Algieri (20-1, 9 KOs) recently changed trainers from Tim Lane to John David Jackson. The move comes too late for Algieri, who was easily beaten by Manny Pacquiao last November.

Algieri and his trainer Lane looked over-matched in the Pacquiao fight from the very start. Whether Jackson would have made any difference in the corner is unclear. It’s likely that nothing would have been different no matter who the trainer was for Algieri in that fight.

Algieri plans on fighting again in late May or possibly June. Two possible opponents are Amir Khan and Adrien Broner. Algieri’s promoter Joe DeGuardia has been in talks with Khan’s management for a fight, but not has been decided as of yet. It would be a good fight for Algieri, but also a tough one to take given that he’s coming off of such a one-sided defeat in his loss to Pacquiao. However, the money would be good for a fight against Khan or Broner, and you can’t blame Algieri if he chooses to face one of those guys next.

“We’re working on the proper fight for Chris,” DeGuardia said via Dan Rafael of ESPN.com. “He’s just excited to get back in the ring and getting in good work with John. Right now it’s April 1, so you gotta figure he’ll be back sometime in late May or June, even July, depending on how the fight fits with the networks and who ends up being the opponent, not necessarily that we’re the A-side,” DeGuardia said.

This is definitely the time for Algieri to take advantage of the attention he received for the Pacquiao fight. Getting a good payday against Khan or Broner would be a positive for him.

It would be far better for Algieri to risk his neck facing one of those guys for a nice payday rather than eventually losing to someone far less popular like Terence Crawford. Algieri needs to cash out while he still can, because he takes another loss or two, it’ll likely be too late for him to get the bigger paydays.

Broner would be a better match-up for Algieri than Khan, because he wouldn’t have to chase him around the ring for 12 rounds, and he’d have the height and arm reach advantage. Broner would still be the stronger puncher, but Algieri at least would be able to use his reach to try and win rounds.

Algieri obviously would like to get another big money fight against Pacquiao or someone like Floyd Mayweather Jr. That’s not going to happen unless Algieri can start beating guys like Broner, Khan and Keith Thurman. I don’t know that he can beat any of them. Of course, anything is possible now that he has a new trainer.
 
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But that's not what you said, bro.

"$2m isn't being overpaid for ratings that only drew 250,000 viewers? Lol of course that is the definition of being overpaid."
Not sure what you're struggling with here. 250k, 300k ratings for a guy getting paid $2m is abysmal. Surely you can recognize that. Even if u use the peak numbers, not the average, of 353k, that's horrible. Certainly not worth a $2m payday if no one is watching.



They're underpaid and Kovalev was not going to see a million from the Stevenson fight. Stevens camp already showed the numbers, bro.
Kovalev didn't deserve a million dollars at the time and he was fine with that, he was onboard. Kovalev hadn't proven himself yet. More money would have gone to Stevenson and that didn't even include the gate. Now Kovalev has a better resume than Stevenson. By far.
 

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Not sure what you're struggling with here. 250k, 300k ratings for a guy getting paid $2m is abysmal. Surely you can recognize that. Even if u use the peak numbers, not the average, of 353k, that's horrible. Certainly not worth a $2m payday if no one is watching.
I'm not struggling with anything. You said he "only" drew 250k. Then when shown the real number you switched it to peak. Are the numbers lower from his previous fights? Yes, especially the HBO numbers, but you can attribute this to two things: smaller viewership on Showtime and the lack of opponents with a name that people recognized.

Kovalev didn't deserve a million dollars at the time and he was fine with that, he was onboard. Kovalev hadn't proven himself yet. More money would have gone to Stevenson and that didn't even include the gate. Now Kovalev has a better resume than Stevenson. By far.
So Kovalev and camp should be thanking Stevenson for not allowing HBO to commit rape and going to the other network. He got the chance to destroy an old man and a guy with an identity crisis. But I'm not taking away from him because both of them were in the top ten of the division.

But, if you are saying the guy hadn't proven himself, then why the fuss about him fighting Stevenson? If he hadn't proven himself to earn a million bucks, the, by your logic, he shouldn't even be fighting the champ either.
 
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I'm not struggling with anything. You said he "only" drew 250k. Then when shown the real number you switched it to peak. Are the numbers lower from his previous fights? Yes, especially the HBO numbers, but you can attribute this to two things: smaller viewership on Showtime and the lack of opponents with a name that people recognized.
The average viewership was under 300k, that was my point. $2m purse, for ratings that low, regardless of any excuses, is overpaying, period.



So Kovalev and camp should be thanking Stevenson for not allowing HBO to commit rape and going to the other network. He got the chance to destroy an old man and a guy with an identity crisis. But I'm not taking away from him because both of them were in the top ten of the division.

But, if you are saying the guy hadn't proven himself, then why the fuss about him fighting Stevenson? If he hadn't proven himself to earn a million bucks, the, by your logic, he shouldn't even be fighting the champ either.
Kovalev vs Stevenson was clearly the best fight at 175 then and it remains the same now. Kovalev since has proven himself as a pound4pound fighter, getting wins over two big names. That doesn't mean at all Kovalev wasn't worthy of a fight back then because he was a title holder and ranked #2 in the division at the time (now he's #1). Kinda like GGG is viewed as the best at 160 but he hasn't proven it yet. It wasn't rape if Kovalev signed off for the fight, agreed to the money and wanted the fight to happen. Stevenson wanted more and he got more because of Haymon tactics (signing a guy, giving him more money to fight stiffs so that they'd leave HBO and be in his stable. Haymon never wanted Stevenson to fight on HBO, he doesn't want any of his fighters on HBO, thus the $2m purses fighting stiffs).


BTW, NO props on my Random KTFO post?! What gives!?!
 
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Algieri finally lets go of his idiot trainer and hires a real boxing trainer, John David Jackson. Eyes Amir Khan? Yeah sure good luck with that! But wait......Khan announces a fight with Chris below... Dafuq?!


Algieri changes trainer, eyes Khan fight


Now Algieri has done the only thing he could do -- make a change in his corner. Lane is out and Algieri is now working with John David Jackson, the former world titleholder with a growing reputation as a top trainer in part because of his outstanding work with unified light heavyweight titleholder Sergey Kovalev.

"Chris is training with John in Florida," Algieri promoter Joe DeGuardia told ESPN.com. "We suggested it. We thought John would be a great fit and told Chris about it and, to his credit, he went to go meet with him. Chris and John hit it off and now they're working together. John is an excellent trainer."


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Bad choice from Khan. He should have went with a number of guys like Keith Thurman, Brook, Maidana rematch, Timothy Bradley....what a dumb decision on his part. This isn't going to get him a Mayweather fight.
 
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Amir Khan vs Chris Algieri CONFIRMED.

Khan at Welterweight now reads:

Collazo - 43% KO ratio
Alexander - 48% KO ratio
Algieri - 38% KO ratio

I see what he's doing. Hiding that chin. What a bad choice fighting Chris after he's coming off a loss to Pacquiao. If he was coming off a big win, sure ok, but with Thurman, Brook, hell even a Maidana rematch, all available, this isn't acceptable. I hope John David Jackson let's him out the cage early and KO's him. What a backfire that would be.


Amir Khan To Face Chris Algieri in Ring Return - Boxing News
 
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Amir Khan vs Chris Algieri CONFIRMED.

Khan at Welterweight now reads:

Collazo - 43% KO ratio
Alexander - 48% KO ratio
Algieri - 38% KO ratio

I see what he's doing. Hiding that chin. What a bad choice fighting Chris after he's coming off a loss to Pacquiao. If he was coming off a big win, sure ok, but with Thurman, Brook, hell even a Maidana rematch, all available, this isn't acceptable. I hope John David Jackson let's him out the cage early and KO's him. What a backfire that would be.


Amir Khan To Face Chris Algieri in Ring Return - Boxing News
HELLA WEAK!....thurman,maidana,porter,guerrero,brook he picks algieri smfh..
 

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The average viewership was under 300k, that was my point. $2m purse, for ratings that low, regardless of any excuses, is overpaying, period.
It's like Pac when he fights in China. The numbers are low because the competition is not the same and the market is different. So is Pac not worth it?

Kovalev vs Stevenson was clearly the best fight at 175 then and it remains the same now. Kovalev since has proven himself as a pound4pound fighter, getting wins over two big names. That doesn't mean at all Kovalev wasn't worthy of a fight back then because he was a title holder and ranked #2 in the division at the time (now he's #1). Kinda like GGG is viewed as the best at 160 but he hasn't proven it yet. It wasn't rape if Kovalev signed off for the fight, agreed to the money and wanted the fight to happen. Stevenson wanted more and he got more because of Haymon tactics (signing a guy, giving him more money to fight stiffs so that they'd leave HBO and be in his stable. Haymon never wanted Stevenson to fight on HBO, he doesn't want any of his fighters on HBO, thus the $2m purses fighting stiffs).
So if he is a belt holder and ranked then pay the man what he is worth. Stevenson wanted more money for both guys. He wanted a similar deal to the one Kovalev had. Instead HBO a decided to rape. Look man, all HBO had to do was match the offer, build up the fight and then get the fight on a really good ppv card.

BTW, NO props on my Random KTFO post?! What gives!?!
Link me bro. I can't see YouTube posted vids on my iPad from this site.
 
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It's like Pac when he fights in China. The numbers are low because the competition is not the same and the market is different. So is Pac not worth it?
Yeah Pac is worth it because HBO isn't paying for it. PPV fights the purse comes from other revenues, such as the Macau casino putting up $20 million in cash to top rank and whatever the PPV revenue is as well. HBO doesn't pay the purse, they aren't invested in it. Not the same at all.


So if he is a belt holder and ranked then pay the man what he is worth. Stevenson wanted more money for both guys. He wanted a similar deal to the one Kovalev had. Instead HBO a decided to rape. Look man, all HBO had to do was match the offer, build up the fight and then get the fight on a really good ppv card.
Correction: Al Haymon wanted more money and more importantly, he wanted to bring Stevenson away from HBO. He knew HBO wasn't going to match $2 million for a tune up and then pay Stevenson vs Kovalev.

Link me bro. I can't see YouTube posted vids on my iPad from this site.

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Miguel Cotto-Daniel Geale Now in Play For June?


By Steve Kim

Sources have told BoxingScene.com that a new contender has emerged to face WBC middleweight champion, Miguel Cotto (39-4, 32KOs). There had been a lot of talk of the likes of Cornelius 'K9' Bundrage and Jorge Sebastian Heiland facing the Puerto Rican star in early June.

But now it seems that Daniel Geale (31-3, 16KOs), who has held portions of the middleweight title twice in the past, is the frontrunner to land this assignment. The date and venue of this fight is still to be determined.

Last summer, Geale was stopped by WBA middleweight titlist, Gennady Golovkin, then rebounded to beat fellow Australian, Jarrod Fletcher over twelve rounds in December.

No word on which network would televise this potential match-up.
 
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So the plot thickens with Amir Khan. How disappointing smdh

Dan Rafael ✔ @ danrafaelespn

IBF ordered 147 eliminator between @ Timbradleyjr & @ AmirKingKhan. IBF said Khan turned it down. So next up to face Bradley: @ frankiegavin1.


What happened to this Amir Khan?


Looks like Khan has gone full blown Haymon.
 
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