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Al Haymons Master Plan: Is boxing’s ‘Cold War’ only just beginning?
date November 14th, 2014 | Post Comment - 34 Comments

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By Robert Morris: With news that Al Haymon is taking his entourage of fighters off Premium Cable TV (Showtime, HBO, etc.) and onto Network TV (NBC) in early 2015, how do we see boxing panning out in the New Year?

Well, with Bernard Hopkins’ heroic performance against Sergey Kovalev last weekend and rumours of Canelo Alvarez potentially facing Miguel Cotto next year; it would seem the cracks are beginning to show in boxing’s proverbial ‘Cold War’ (Golden Boy/Showtime vs. Top Rank/HBO)!

To clarify, both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters. Up until last weekend a Golden Boy fighter hadn’t appeared on HBO since Hopkins faced Tavoris Cloud in March 2013.

Ironically, it was Hopkins who broke that mould with his recent performance against Kovalev Saturday night. Furthermore, Alvarez has been rumoured to face Cotto in 2015, which if happens will be televised on HBO as Alvarez has signed a new multi-fight contract with them.

Surely this means boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is over, right? Wrong! Although both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters, neither are advised by Haymon. We have not seen a Haymon fighter in a meaningful fight on HBO for some time, and there does not seem to be anything in the pipeline to suggest otherwise.

The pool of Golden Boy talent is actually extremely limited when you take any Haymon affiliated fighters out of the equation, and according to Kathy Duva, we can. “He’s [Haymon] promised NBC that he’s going to take his fighters off premium cable… he’s going to put Showtime and HBO out of the puzzle and he’s going to do away with pay-per-view and create an over-the-top network.” Bob Arum also noted that Richard Schaefer is “gutting [Golden Boy] by transferring in effect fighters who are Golden Boy fighters to Haymon.” This is why Richard Schaefer isn’t CEO of Golden Boy Promotions anymore and relationships between Oscar De Le Hoya and Haymon appear strained.

So where does this leave us for what we can expect to see in 2015? Well anyone who thinks boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is nearing a close has been seriously misguided. It has merely taking on a new persona, one that pits Golden Boy/Top Rank/HBO/Showtime vs. Al Haymon/NBC!

A final puzzlement which piques my sense of intrigue; is now that the ever elusive Haymon appears to be distancing himself from Golden Boy, who will he use to (officially) promote his fighters on NBC? It appears Richard Schaefer will be out of the picture until his Golden Boy contract ends in March 2018, leaving us with Mayweather Promotions or a variety of lesser renowned promoters as possibilities.

Perhaps a more alluring, even bold, suggestion could be that the audacious Al Haymon intends to promote those he ‘advises’ on NBC himself? How though, I hear you asking? Haymon is a manager, and the ‘Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’ prevents managers from promoting and vice versa. This is where the genius of Haymon really starts to shine through. He is in fact technically not a ‘manager’ but as I’m sure your already aware an ‘advisor’, which would lawfully allow him to promote those he advises if he so wished.

2015 will certainly be an interesting year, if nothing else, within the boxing world, and how the political landscape begins to unravel within this world will certainly be a case of watch this space

 

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Al Haymons Master Plan: Is boxing’s ‘Cold War’ only just beginning?
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By Robert Morris: With news that Al Haymon is taking his entourage of fighters off Premium Cable TV (Showtime, HBO, etc.) and onto Network TV (NBC) in early 2015, how do we see boxing panning out in the New Year?

Well, with Bernard Hopkins’ heroic performance against Sergey Kovalev last weekend and rumours of Canelo Alvarez potentially facing Miguel Cotto next year; it would seem the cracks are beginning to show in boxing’s proverbial ‘Cold War’ (Golden Boy/Showtime vs. Top Rank/HBO)!

To clarify, both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters. Up until last weekend a Golden Boy fighter hadn’t appeared on HBO since Hopkins faced Tavoris Cloud in March 2013.

Ironically, it was Hopkins who broke that mould with his recent performance against Kovalev Saturday night. Furthermore, Alvarez has been rumoured to face Cotto in 2015, which if happens will be televised on HBO as Alvarez has signed a new multi-fight contract with them.

Surely this means boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is over, right? Wrong! Although both Hopkins and Alvarez are Golden Boy fighters, neither are advised by Haymon. We have not seen a Haymon fighter in a meaningful fight on HBO for some time, and there does not seem to be anything in the pipeline to suggest otherwise.

The pool of Golden Boy talent is actually extremely limited when you take any Haymon affiliated fighters out of the equation, and according to Kathy Duva, we can. “He’s [Haymon] promised NBC that he’s going to take his fighters off premium cable… he’s going to put Showtime and HBO out of the puzzle and he’s going to do away with pay-per-view and create an over-the-top network.” Bob Arum also noted that Richard Schaefer is “gutting [Golden Boy] by transferring in effect fighters who are Golden Boy fighters to Haymon.” This is why Richard Schaefer isn’t CEO of Golden Boy Promotions anymore and relationships between Oscar De Le Hoya and Haymon appear strained.

So where does this leave us for what we can expect to see in 2015? Well anyone who thinks boxing’s ‘Cold War’ is nearing a close has been seriously misguided. It has merely taking on a new persona, one that pits Golden Boy/Top Rank/HBO/Showtime vs. Al Haymon/NBC!

A final puzzlement which piques my sense of intrigue; is now that the ever elusive Haymon appears to be distancing himself from Golden Boy, who will he use to (officially) promote his fighters on NBC? It appears Richard Schaefer will be out of the picture until his Golden Boy contract ends in March 2018, leaving us with Mayweather Promotions or a variety of lesser renowned promoters as possibilities.

Perhaps a more alluring, even bold, suggestion could be that the audacious Al Haymon intends to promote those he ‘advises’ on NBC himself? How though, I hear you asking? Haymon is a manager, and the ‘Muhammad Ali Boxing Reform Act’ prevents managers from promoting and vice versa. This is where the genius of Haymon really starts to shine through. He is in fact technically not a ‘manager’ but as I’m sure your already aware an ‘advisor’, which would lawfully allow him to promote those he advises if he so wished.

2015 will certainly be an interesting year, if nothing else, within the boxing world, and how the political landscape begins to unravel within this world will certainly be a case of watch this space

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Need a cease fire from HERESY for a moment lol

So Briggs tried to sneak into the Klitschko weigh in today wearing a "disguise". He was quickly identified and kicked-out before getting to close to the stage

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Haha, probably a pair of 80s shades and a Hawaiian button up shirt.
You still can't hide the fact that you are a black man in Europe weighing almost 300 pounds.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Wait that's the actual pic? Looks shopped...

 

[HERESY]

@HERESY I answered your question already. I said BHop figured out what Haymon was trying to do and had no choice but to switch up.

That does NOT answer my question.

Now, you never answered my question on what would you do if you were in BHop's shoes?

I would have taken the Stevenson fight.

1. Hopkins would have beaten Stevenson. Don't know if he can still do it now but I believe he would have beaten him.

2. Kovalev and team didn't have a legal case. Posturing on their part and BHOP and GBP fell for it. Stevenson and camp? They didn't fall for it.

And as far as Stevenson returning the deal back to HBO, Haymon knew HBO wouldn't deal with Stevenson as long as Haymon is his manager/adviser.

They had no problem with Haymon as they looked at the offer he brought back. They simply didn't match it. What part of RAPE do you fools not understand? Stevenson's team showed exactly what the deal was (how many fights, how much money kovalev and stevenson would get, etc.) Kovalev should be THANKING him for not taking the fight.

Win for Haymon, now a loss for Stevenson.

How? He still has two belts. He got paid millions and he's on his way to making more millions when he fights Kovalev. This was actually a good thing but you guys are not getting it. Kovalev vs Hopkins is HUGE in the sense it gives Kovalev more visibility which is something he did NOT have. Now he has it, probably more than Stevenson and now it is the fight people are asking for. Floyd and Pac? Yesterdays news. Kovalev and Stevenson? That's where it is right now, battle for the entire LHW division.

Haymon is doing the samething with JCC Jr. If JCC does jump ship to Showtime and TR let's him go, he will only have 1 buyable ppv fight and that's Froch. If he' stayed with HBO the rest of his career would be PPV's.

No.

 

[HERESY]

That makes no sense whatsoever because he fought Pascal two times in Canada and each event was a huge financial success and made Hopkins much more money than if he fought in the states. In fact, after the Pascal fights he wanted Bute in Canada because he knew the money was much better. Likewise, he wanted Stevenson over Kovalev for the same reason (he only made a million and some change against Kovalev so that kills the argument right there. He made waaaaay less money fighting Kovalev.).

I'm going by what Stevensons camp said (also said Pascal was the bigger draw in Canada out of all of them) and I believe them.

Going back to the guy on the forum(s) he has two basic premises that you have to believe in order to take seriously: 1). Hopkins wanted to make less money

Hopkins was forced to make less money.

and 2). Everything Yvon said is 100% true.

I believe it.

This is why you haven't seen any boxing writers, any credible boxing sources say any of this stuff because that would be pure speculation (just like the dude said, "PERHAPS" this is what happened..."). So you basically you found one guy on an internet forum making assumptions based on whatever biased opinion he already had set in his mind and you ran with it.

The same writers, credible boxing sources, etc that said Stevenson was ducking this guy and that guy when I was the only person who was putting 2 and 2 together? Yeah, let's trust those guys. Now that the REAL info has been released most of those Johnny Come Fuckin Latelies won't even comment because they have egg on their stupid fat faces.

It's an UNBIASED timeline, fam. No different from the one Tony provided that showed Pac and Arum were on some BULLSHIT. This is no different, stop with the fallacies, bro.

Again, trust me. If Hopkins could make double the money against Stevenson, and that certainly would have been the case, he would have done it. The negotiations were stalling, he was about to be stripped and rather than wait he took Kovalev. Again, regardless of the motives, there is only one person to blame if you're Stevenson - his manager - for not getting the fight done. They had the opportunity and blew it.

The man did NOT disclose his deadline. End of discussion.

 

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Wladimir is 3 wins away from being worlds most dominant ever heavyweight
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wladimir klitschko kubrat pulev photoBy Gav Duthie: Once again Wladimir Klitschko 62-3 (52) will take on the #2 heavyweight in the world when he faces Kubrat Pulev 20-0 (11) tomorrow night. If he wins tomorrow and then a further two particular bouts against the Chisora-Fury winner on Nov 29 and whoever the WBC champion is by the summer next year he could hold a legitimate claim to being the most dominant heavyweight champion of all time.

Competition

I want to distinguish that I see the likes of Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Evander Holyfield and George Foreman as greater fighters on the all time greatest fighter list but in terms of pure heavyweight domination Klitschko is hard to rival.

A lot of this is due to a lack of competition in his era but a person can’t choose when they are born. For me the biggest competition is Joe Louis who won 26 consecutive title fights before losing to Ezzard Charles. Larry Holmes was heavyweight champion from 1978 when he pipped Ken Norton until 1985 when he lost to Michael Spinks. Lennox Lewis touched two era’s with wins over Holyfield, Tyson, Tua and Mercer and then fortunately against Vitaly Klitschko. Rocky Marciano retired undefeated with wins over an aged Joe Louis, Joe Walcott and Ezzard Charles. The only other would be the great Jack Johnson who kept knocking out any white hopes that came along for years.

Wladimir Klitschko

For me Wladimir’s achievements match up to any of these legends whether he gets the credit he deserves or not. All his achievements are even greater when you think he was considered finished 10 years ago after his 3rd knockout defeat against Lamont Brewster. Since then he has dominated the division for a decade. He has won 16 fights and beaten the number 2 fighter of different times in Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye and Alexander Povetkin. One can perhaps question the competition but he has simply beaten whats put in front of him. He has beaten 10 previously undefeated fighters and never been out-boxed his entire career. He has completely reinvented his style to cover for his suspect chin with the help of the late Emmanuel Steward and could be the undisputed champion by next year.

3 big fights

He has 3 fights he needs to win to make a huge claim and cement his legacy. Kubrat Pulev is one of his toughest fights to date. He is the only fighter that has boxing skills that can rival Wladimir’s. Pulev has great footwork, hand speed a good jab and rapid straight right. He boasts wins over Dimitrenko, Ustinov and Tony Thompson so this is a huge test.

I think Pulev has a much better chance than Fury or Chisora of beating Wlad but if he does get through tomorrow one of these Brits will be his next fight. Fury and Chisora fight on November 29 in a final eliminator for Wladimir’s WBO title. Fury would be interesting because he rivals Klitschko in height and is undefeated and Chisora because they simply don’t like each other going back to Wlad pulling out of two title defences against Del Boy.

If he successfully defends again the governing bodies would surely give him the chance a nearly 40 years old to unify the division by winning the WBC title vacated by his brother. Haitian Bermaine Stiverne is the current champion but the undefeated American duo Deontay Wilder and Bryant Jennings are waiting in the wings.

If Wladimir could become undisputed champion then who could argue his quality. Of course talk is cheap and Wladimir needs to win these fights in the ring. There are young, hungry fighters out there and perhaps defeat is waiting for Wladimir tomorrow night but I for sure wouldn’t bet against him completing this treble.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I'm going by what Stevensons camp said (also said Pascal was the bigger draw in Canada out of all of them) and I believe them.

Of course you do. But of course Hopkins fought TWICE in Canada and made very good money against Pascal, much more than they would have made in the states.

This is what he said in regards to Bute: “How do you think Bute and Bernard Hopkins would do in Montreal? I’m a name there. I saw the crowd shout and holler my name there…. That’s a huge money fight."

And again: "I think Canada would like to see me again for a fight with Bute. I would love to beat Bute after Chad Dawson."

So this nonsense claim that Hopkins didn't want to fight in Canada is simply that - nonsense. The man fought there twice, clearly wanted to fight Bute there and loved the at the gate money Canada was offering (something he was not getting in Vegas, West Coast or even on the East Coast).

He was even willing to travel much further for Froch: "I want Carl Froch, if he beats Kessler, in his hometown [of Nottingham].”

I believe it.

Yes we've covered this. You believe Yvon, who is Stevenson's promoter and who was not in the loop with the Golden Boy & Haymon negotiations. Seems legit.

The same writers, credible boxing sources, etc that said Stevenson was ducking this guy and that guy when I was the only person who was putting 2 and 2 together? Yeah, let's trust those guys. Now that the REAL info has been released most of those Johnny Come Fuckin Latelies won't even comment because they have egg on their stupid fat faces.

Who are these guys you're talking about?

At the end of the day, I'll take the overall boxing insiders, writers, experts, over one dude on an internet forum with an agenda any day of the week.

It's an UNBIASED timeline, fam. No different from the one Tony provided that showed Pac and Arum were on some BULLSHIT. This is no different, stop with the fallacies, bro.

LOL it's an unbiased timeline how do you figure? There are hundreds of articles regarding Hopkins, Stevenson & Kovalev, if not thousands. This guy picked information that fit his theory (that Hopkins wanted to make less money for the hell of it) and wrote a timeline.

As for the FloydHype timeline, there's already been tons of information since then that shows they were biased leaving out key stuff. Regardless, that's something totally different anyway since that at least was posted by FightHype (even though they are biased as well with their exclusive Mayweather interviews and inside information) versus one dude on an internet forum putting together a timeline by googling articles and whatnot.

The man did NOT disclose his deadline. End of discussion.

Is this fact? Because if you state this is fact then we know, without a doubt, you're being a fool. You can say you personally "believe this could have been the case", but obviously you cannot say this is a fact. This is HERESY, once again, dragging out a topic pages and pages just because you don't want to be wrong about something so your stubbornness reaches new levels of insanity. Al Haymon didn't know the deadline. Only Bernard Hopkins knew the deadline. That's it. The IBF didn't even know! lol

 

[RM211]

im really starting to like Briggs lol. Just for the entertainment factor, that video of him circling Klitschko still has me weak lol

 

[naner12]

@2-0-Sixx .. not sure if you saw this, but it's pretty cool. First card airs tonight.

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Mike Tyson’s Iron Mike Productions is promoting two cards this month -- Friday and Nov. 21 -- and it has snagged a television deal for both, which will air live on beIN Sports on its English-language network.

In Friday’s main event at the CONSOL Energy Center in Pittsburgh, hometown welterweight Sammy Vasquez faces Alberto Mosquera. Vazquez is coming off a thrilling ninth-round knockout of previously undefeated James Stevenson in August at the same venue.

“This is another tough fight for Sammy but he really showed his mettle to the boxing world with his performance against Stevenson,” Tyson said. “The welterweight division is very hot right now and we believe Sammy can compete with any of the top names.”

Vasquez (16-0, 12 KOs) has been training at altitude in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where he trained with lightweight titlist Terence Crawford and Tyson-promoted junior middleweight prospect Erickson Lubin, who is also on the card. Vasquez said the Stevenson fight gave him great experience.

“The Stevenson win brought a lot out of me,” he said. “I was still able to outclass him even though it wasn’t an early stoppage as my last few fights had been. I’ve had people question my chin but Stevenson tagged me a few times. No problem there whatsoever.”

Mosquera (21-1-2, 14 KOs), a southpaw from Panama, is coming off a ninth-round knockout to Charlie Navarro in June in Panama City.

In the all-Pennsylvania co-feature, lightweight Monty Meza Clay (36-3, 22 KOs) takes on Rod Salka (19-4, 3 KOs) in a 10-rounder. Meza Clay is coming off a sensational slugfest that he won by 10th-round knockout of Alan Herrera on the same August card as Vasquez-Stevenson. Salka has returned to lightweight where he belongs after being destroyed in two rounds in August by junior welterweight champion Danny Garcia in such a bad mismatch that the sanctioning organizations would not approve it as a title fight.

The 19-year-old Lubin (7-0, 6 KOs), of Orlando, Florida, faces Mexican veteran Norberto Gonzalez (20-5, 13 KOs) in the opener.

Tyson, as do many in boxing, believes Lubin, a southpaw and a star amateur before turning pro in November 2013, has the potential to be a world champion.

“Erickson’s got the ‘it’ factor,” Tyson said. “Having been around the sport for over 30 years I can tell when a fighter is special. We were impressed with him coming out of the amateurs and in his six fights this year the fans have loved him.”

Tyson’s Nov. 21 card, which will take place at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Tulsa, Oklahoma, is headlined by welterweight Felix Diaz (15-0, 8 KOs), a 2008 Olympic gold medalist from the Dominican Republic, against Adrian Granados (13-2-2, 9 KOs) of Chicago.

 

[heyzel]

CBS to Premiere New Boxing Series ‘Ringside Red Carpet’
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6782cb93-4400-40dd-baec-b9aa327b2babFINAL FORUM BOXING and THE GALLERY STUDIO GROUP, LLC, announced today that CBS Sports Network will televise its premiere “RINGSIDE RED CARPET” Boxing Series. Each two-hour live telecast will feature at least two fights.

The first event will be held on Saturday, December 13 at 8:00 PM, ET. Each title fight will be centered on a Main Event with multiple undercard bouts, and also feature live entertainment stage performances. In the first event, NABO Heavyweight Champion Charles Martin is scheduled to defend his title. The opening bout is scheduled to include rising star Mike Lee in addition to other boxers to be announced at a later date.

“Ringside Red Carpet will feature high level boxing, along with the spectacle and big-event feel to each event,” said Twenty-Year Veteran Boxing Promoter Sal Musumeci. “We are thrilled to have CBS Sports Network showcase the action to a national television audience.”

“This event will not only bring exciting boxing to fans, but also top-of-the line entertainment and festivities,” said Mark Lipsky, a Hollywood Producer (Nutty Professor, Another 48 Hours, Beverly Hills Cop III, Boomerang, Coming to America and the Original Arsenio Hall Show, etc.).
For further information please contact Sal Musumeci at [email protected].

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Briggs ringside for the Klit fight. Hopefully he screams "Let's Go champ!" the entire fight, probably will be the most entertaining part of the fight

 

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De La Hoya expects Cotto-Canelo to draw over 1 million PPV buys on HBO
date November 15th, 2014 | Post Comment - 93 Comments

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saul alvarez oscar de la hoya miguel cotto photoBy Dan Abrose: Golden Boy Promotions president Oscar De La Hoya is confident that the proposed May 2nd showdown between WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto (39-4, 32 KOs) and Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (44-1-1, 31 KOs) will bring in over 1 million pay-per-view buys on HBO, and give the two fighters the biggest paydays of their careers.

The Cotto-Canelo fight likely won’t do nearly as well as when the two fighters each fought Floyd Mayweather Jr . However, they’ll be getting a much bigger purse split in facing each other than they did against Mayweather, and that ultimately could mean a bigger payday for them if the fight does as well on HBO PPV as De La Hoya seems to think it will.

De La Hoya thinks the Cotto-Canelo fight see both fighters agree to a 50-50 purse split. That remains to be seen though, because Cotto will likely insist on being the A-side of the equation due to him having the WBC 160 pound title in his possession, and the far superior experience of the two.

“My next move is going to be to give [Top Rank promoter] Bob Arum [Cotto's promoter] a call and start discussing the fight with Bob,” De La Hoya said via Dan Rafael of ESPN.com. “This is the type of fight that can get made easier than most, certainly easier than Pacquiao-Mayweather. The reason I say that is because both guys want to fight,” De La Hoya said.

What could ultimately hurt Cotto and Canelo in terms of getting the most out of their fight is Canelo’s stubborn insistence on fighting on Cinco de Mayo on May 2nd in 2015. There’s nothing wrong with Canelo wanting to fight on that date, but the problem is that Mayweather has already said that he plans on fighting on that date. By being stubborn and insisting on fighting on the same night as Mayweather, Canelo will likely wind up with far less money than he would have made had he not had anyone to compete against for PPV buys like Mayweather.

Mayweather is more popular than either Canelo or Cotto. So if boxing fans have to pick between which fight they’re going to see on May 2nd, you can bet that the majority of the fans will select the Mayweather fight, given that he beat both Canelo and Cotto.

The Canelo-Cotto fight is a good one, but we are talking about a fight that is more of a loser’s bracket than a winners. They both fought Mayweather and were schooled. Cotto has turned his career around since then in facing two aging fighters in Delvin Rodriguez and Sergio Martinez, but he’s not fought anyone good. Martinez had a knee problem when he fought Cotto, and he was coming off of a long layoff.

 

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Showtime offers Top Rank 40 million for Mayweather/Pacquiao fight?
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manny pacquiao floyd mayweather jr photoby Robert “Big Moe” Elmore: I penned an article about Top Rank CEO Bob Arum claiming that Showtime and HBO were on board to do the Floyd Mayweather-Manny Pacquiao fight in 2015 as told to the UK-based newspaper “The Independent” on September 2nd of this year. At that time, neither Ross Greenberg (HBO sports president) nor Steve Espinoza (Showtime sports president) came forward to support Arums claims. It was later confirmed that Pac was moving back to 140 to finish his career. At least we now know that Arum’s claims that Showtime was on board were correct. According to Espinoza, three months ago, they offered Pac a minimum of 40 million dollars with a 35% percent of the pay per view upside.

Arum told fighthype.com on November 11th of this year that Floyd was reluctant to fight Manny. Floyd has not uttered a word, but it’s very clear that an offer was made. What is interesting about this offering from Espinoza to Arum is that it was offered three months ago and Arum has not answered.

My guess Arum is trying to see what the outcome of Pac’s fight with Chris Algieri will be. But make no mistakes an offer was made. So my question is; judging by the pure concrete evidence that an offer was made, why did Arum pass on the offer? My opinion is this and I will stand by it: I sincerely believe that Floyd and Pac want to fight each other. They really do. I do not think Arum wants it. Strength and conditioning coach Alex Ariza has been in both (Floyd and Pac) camps and has said both fighters want the bout to happen.

I’m not going to indulge myself with the past remarks by both fighters because it will be a waste of time. I’m dealing with right here; right now. And now, there is a 40 million dollar minimum offer plus 35% of the pay per view revenue that was made to Top Rank which was turned down by Arum.

 

[T-Rip]

but but but it was always Mayweather that was always ducking. Fuck Bob Arum and everything he represents

 

[CZAR]

Duhh!! Ive always said it was Arum and knew he was the tru reason that the fight never happened. I on ly blame Pac when Manny fans say mayweather is scared lol. Mayweather been wanting the fight and Arum wont let it happen. I still do blame Manny for being Arum's puppet and not stepping up to his promoter and pressuring him to make the fight happen. Got Em!!

 

[Coach E. No]

I don't care what any of you clowns says, offering Pacquiao a flat rate for that fight is beyond stupid and an underhanded way to say Mayweather's camp doesn't want the fight. He's been doing that since his 4 million flat rate offer against Margarito.

 

[battle619]

Even then, it's known Manny has an exclusive contract with HBO. For people to say Showtime offered him such and such is like saying the wall should respond after they were just done talking to it.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

If Mayweather fought on the same night as Cotto vs Canelo, unless he fights Manny, no way he does better numbers than the Puerto Rican vs Mexican.