Cuz that's the "chess move" BHop is referring to. How about this,What would you do if you were Bernard's shoes? He was backing up Al 100% until Al was stalling on finalizing the fight, which would have forced BHop to vacate his title to benefit another Haymon fighter. You think Haymon was informing BHop on his plans to get his fighters better opportunities?
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And what evidence is that? All you got is some dude on a EA Sports forum that you copied and pasted his posts from. It was a conversion between two users debating bhop & kovalev (and even the dude you're stealing info from admitted it was in Haymon's best interest to stall in hopes Hopkins fought Kovalev so the lawsuit would be dropped since the most damaging claims in the lawsuit had to do with Haymon violating the Ali Act!). Shameless.
30th July, 2014 - Kathy Duva contacts HBO, who in turn contacted Golden Boy, to warn them that if Al Haymon's fighter (Thomas Williams Jr.) defeats Gabriel Campillo on the 1st August, he would be in a position to fight Nadjib Mohammedi for the vacant IBF light heavyweight title, assuming that Hopkins is forced to vacate his IBF belt if he doesn't agree to face either the mandatory challenger or engage in a unification bout by the 1st August deadline date.
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
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. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
@HERESY
. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
Ok here we go. HERESY quoting Yvon Michel as 100% proof even though he wasn't even in the loop in negotiating (it was Golden Boy and Haymon doing the talking).
And why do you think Duva filed a lawsuit against Stevenson and Haymon in the first place? Was it for shits & giggles? LOL! Obviously there was truth into her claims or she's not going to go to the extreme levels of litigation.
Yeah, HBO didn't match Showtimes offer of an ABSURD $2million + for a tune-up, big shock there as that was a complete waste of money, so nothing was exposed. The only thing that was exposed was Stevenson ran over to Showtime when the Kovalev fight was hot and then Haymon screwed up the Hopkins deal. That's all there is to it. Again, Hopkins would have DOUBLED his money at least fighting Stevenson. He wants that retirement money, trust me. Hopkins doesn't make any profits from his tiny stake in Golden Boy (less than 5%) and never has. In fact, when the stuff went down with Oscar & Richard, Hopkins made it clear it didn't matter what happened as long as he gets the big fights/big paydays whether that's from Showtime, Golden Boy, Al Haymon, whatever.
So go ahead and go back to your EA Sports forum thread (lol) and copy & paste some more "info" for us telling us how your boy Stevenson, Fighter of the Year fighting tomato cans has been in the right all along and he's just so darn unfortunate that the most powerful man in boxing can't land him any big fights.
And why do you think Duva filed a lawsuit against Stevenson and Haymon in the first place? Was it for shits & giggles? LOL! Obviously there was truth into her claims or she's not going to go to the extreme levels of litigation.
Yeah, HBO didn't match Showtimes offer of an ABSURD $2million + for a tune-up, big shock there as that was a complete waste of money, so nothing was exposed. The only thing that was exposed was Stevenson ran over to Showtime when the Kovalev fight was hot and then Haymon screwed up the Hopkins deal. That's all there is to it. Again, Hopkins would have DOUBLED his money at least fighting Stevenson. He wants that retirement money, trust me. Hopkins doesn't make any profits from his tiny stake in Golden Boy (less than 5%) and never has. In fact, when the stuff went down with Oscar & Richard, Hopkins made it clear it didn't matter what happened as long as he gets the big fights/big paydays whether that's from Showtime, Golden Boy, Al Haymon, whatever.
So go ahead and go back to your EA Sports forum thread (lol) and copy & paste some more "info" for us telling us how your boy Stevenson, Fighter of the Year fighting tomato cans has been in the right all along and he's just so darn unfortunate that the most powerful man in boxing can't land him any big fights.
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30th July, 2014 - Kathy Duva contacts HBO, who in turn contacted Golden Boy, to warn them that if Al Haymon's fighter (Thomas Williams Jr.) defeats Gabriel Campillo on the 1st August, he would be in a position to fight Nadjib Mohammedi for the vacant IBF light heavyweight title, assuming that Hopkins is forced to vacate his IBF belt if he doesn't agree to face either the mandatory challenger or engage in a unification bout by the 1st August deadline date.
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
@HERESY
. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
@HERESY
. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
Pretty absurd to think the most powerful manager in boxing has no clue that the IBF, who is the strictest of the bunch enforcing mandatories, about when the deadline would be. That's really where HERSEY (well actually it's some dude on EA Sports forum's argument) falls apart.
Here is the link to where HERSEY is copy & pasting everything from:
EA Forums. It's literally an argument between two random dudes who play EA Sports Fight Night Champion who keep going back and forth saying, "dude I totally pwned you!" "no bro, I owned you so hard!"
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How the fuck was Al Haymon stalling the fight when BHOP was asking for 75% of the money? Stevenson's camp said they had everything in place pretty much and then BHOP came back and started demanding more money. Oh, and yesterday I read that BHOP did NOT want to agree to the TESTING demands Stevensons camp was asking for.
Again, you're failing to answer the questions because your hatred for Al Haymon runs deep.
For some reason you and 206 are failing to read. According to Stevensons camp he did not tell him W-H-E-N the deadline was. Do I need to type it again? W-H-E-N. The ONLY thing, and I repeat, THE ONLY THING the media knew, or anyone outside of Hopkins knew and the IBF knew, which I POSTED if you fools would have read is that the IBF gave him a START date for the deadline. Again, START DATE. Meaning "Hopkins, you have to START negotiating from THIS DATE." Why the FUCK are you fools failing to read that when I posted it? According to Stevensons camp, he gave no END DATE. Do you muthafuckas not comprehend that shit? Goddamn it.
Again, you're failing to answer the questions because your hatred for Al Haymon runs deep.
30th July, 2014 - Kathy Duva contacts HBO, who in turn contacted Golden Boy, to warn them that if Al Haymon's fighter (Thomas Williams Jr.) defeats Gabriel Campillo on the 1st August, he would be in a position to fight Nadjib Mohammedi for the vacant IBF light heavyweight title, assuming that Hopkins is forced to vacate his IBF belt if he doesn't agree to face either the mandatory challenger or engage in a unification bout by the 1st August deadline date.
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
@HERESY
. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
This is the most important part of the timeline you put up
@HERESY
. This forced BHop to make a quick and smart decision. It let's it be known that HBO even knew what's going on with the deadline. Even better question for you, why wouldn't Haymon know what's going on with one of his fighters? If he does his job right, which he was trying to do in a shady way, he was doing what it took to increase his fighters' chances of getting a title. So how we he not know about the deadline if it is in the best interest of his fighters?
And you are known to not know shit about boxing. I have to copy and paste for people like you because your reading comprehension skills are subpar. See, there is a difference between cutting and pasting, passing the info off as mine (which I didn't do) and cutting and pasting and citing the source (which I did do.)
Stay in school, kid. You'll learn a lot.
Stay in school, kid. You'll learn a lot.
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here we go again,
I told you where it came from. SCROLL BACK AND READ. And then I saw it on another form where people were debating it and I looked into it. EVERYTHING checks out. The dates AND the videos. You think it's just on a sports forum? Did the statement from Michel come from an EA sports forum? What you're saying is confirmation bias and a fallacy at best. Is the information ACCURATE? YES! So who gives a fuck where it came from as long as it checks out?
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I told you where it came from. SCROLL BACK AND READ. And then I saw it on another form where people were debating it and I looked into it. EVERYTHING checks out. The dates AND the videos. You think it's just on a sports forum? Did the statement from Michel come from an EA sports forum? What you're saying is confirmation bias and a fallacy at best. Is the information ACCURATE? YES! So who gives a fuck where it came from as long as it checks out?
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And you guys were quoting Duva who was involved in the negotiations between Kovalev and Stevenson and how did that turn out?
WTF are you crazy? Do you know how many people go to extreme shit because they want money? They had no deal, PERIOD, and she would have lost. Stevenson's camp already put up the paperwork. Duva showed NOTHING.
Did you see what the hell they were offering the two guys? RAPE! Stevenson's camp wasn't looking for $2 million for a tune up. WTF are you talking about?
So why the hell did he go back to HBO with the offer?
It didn't matter to him yet he clearly says he is fighting so the litigation won't happen, lol.
There you go again. You wouldn't even have anything if I never told you were I got the info from but I told you PAGES AGO. Does the info line up? Yes. Can it be easily researched on the net? Yes. Do the videos tell the truth? Yes. So who gives a shit where it comes from? Is it FACTUAL and does it hold up to the tests? Yes, nothing else matters. And guess what? Even the guy who was on the site DISPUTING the info kept sidestepping it! He's doing the SAME SHIT you and that fool battle are, lol.
Boxing News | Stevenson camp claims Hopkins was too greedy
Is that from an EA forum? You want me to post the rest of the shit that adds up?
Stop with the fallacies man.
Is that from an EA forum? You want me to post the rest of the shit that adds up?
Stop with the fallacies man.
Yes thank you for posting a link to something Yvon Michel said, whom wasn't even negotiating with Golden Boy! We covered this.
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This shit is applicable to all of you Al Haymon haters on this forum.
But this guy sums it up well:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=185476
BHOP is a liar. Just like I said.
But this guy sums it up well:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=185476
BHOP is a liar. Just like I said.
Copy & Paste King! This is just a different forum but the same guy as the EA forum you dolt lol same dude, man.
So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."
Even this guy is saying Haymon was procrastinating, which is what I've been saying. So if this is some elaborate game of cat & mouse, seeing which side will budge first, this still shows that Haymon screwed Stevenson out of the Bhop fight by procrastinating for so long and dropping the ball when he could have secured the fight long ago, instead playing games trying to earn more leverage to squeeze out a few more bucks.
So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."
Even this guy is saying Haymon was procrastinating, which is what I've been saying. So if this is some elaborate game of cat & mouse, seeing which side will budge first, this still shows that Haymon screwed Stevenson out of the Bhop fight by procrastinating for so long and dropping the ball when he could have secured the fight long ago, instead playing games trying to earn more leverage to squeeze out a few more bucks.
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It doesn't matter. Is the information accurate? YES! You don't want info from an EA forum there is info on a boxing forum (even though the EA forum was dedicated to the game and boxing in general.)
So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."
You see the second underlined? Wouldn't be dumb enough. BHOP's entire madness is "they thought I was gonna drop the belt." LMAO!
No, it shows BHOP is a DUMMY, which I said pages ago, because he got played. Less money and now NO LITIGATION against Haymon, Stevenson and team, etc.
Well played Al Haymon, well played!
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So in this guy you quote, it says "then perhaps Al Haymon was procrastinating on purpose during the Stevenson negotiation process to compel him to do so, because he knew that the veteran wouldn’t be dumb enough to vacate his title and take a small payday against some other anonymous fighter."
You see the second underlined? Wouldn't be dumb enough. BHOP's entire madness is "they thought I was gonna drop the belt." LMAO!
No, it shows BHOP is a DUMMY, which I said pages ago, because he got played. Less money and now NO LITIGATION against Haymon, Stevenson and team, etc.
Well played Al Haymon, well played!
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That makes no sense whatsoever because he fought Pascal two times in Canada and each event was a huge financial success and made Hopkins much more money than if he fought in the states. In fact, after the Pascal fights he wanted Bute in Canada because he knew the money was much better. Likewise, he wanted Stevenson over Kovalev for the same reason (he only made a million and some change against Kovalev so that kills the argument right there. He made waaaaay less money fighting Kovalev.).
Going back to the guy on the forum(s) he has two basic premises that you have to believe in order to take seriously: 1). Hopkins wanted to make less money and 2). Everything Yvon said is 100% true. This is why you haven't seen any boxing writers, any credible boxing sources say any of this stuff because that would be pure speculation (just like the dude said, "PERHAPS" this is what happened..."). So you basically you found one guy on an internet forum making assumptions based on whatever biased opinion he already had set in his mind and you ran with it.
Again, trust me. If Hopkins could make double the money against Stevenson, and that certainly would have been the case, he would have done it. The negotiations were stalling, he was about to be stripped and rather than wait he took Kovalev. Again, regardless of the motives, there is only one person to blame if you're Stevenson - his manager - for not getting the fight done. They had the opportunity and blew it.
Going back to the guy on the forum(s) he has two basic premises that you have to believe in order to take seriously: 1). Hopkins wanted to make less money and 2). Everything Yvon said is 100% true. This is why you haven't seen any boxing writers, any credible boxing sources say any of this stuff because that would be pure speculation (just like the dude said, "PERHAPS" this is what happened..."). So you basically you found one guy on an internet forum making assumptions based on whatever biased opinion he already had set in his mind and you ran with it.
Again, trust me. If Hopkins could make double the money against Stevenson, and that certainly would have been the case, he would have done it. The negotiations were stalling, he was about to be stripped and rather than wait he took Kovalev. Again, regardless of the motives, there is only one person to blame if you're Stevenson - his manager - for not getting the fight done. They had the opportunity and blew it.
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I answered your question already. I said BHop figured out what Haymon was trying to do and had no choice but to switch up. Now, you never answered my question on what would you do if you were in BHop's shoes? And as far as Stevenson returning the deal back to HBO, Haymon knew HBO wouldn't deal with Stevenson as long as Haymon is his manager/adviser. Win for Haymon, now a loss for Stevenson. Haymon is doing the samething with JCC Jr. If JCC does jump ship to Showtime and TR let's him go, he will only have 1 buyable ppv fight and that's Froch. If he' stayed with HBO the rest of his career would be PPV's.