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Apr 26, 2003
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I don't really like the minimum wage getting hiked up everywhere.

And I don't like how everyone automatically thinks that fixes anything, and just blindly think making more money.

I had a back and forth with some guy outside a safeway the other day that wanted me to sign his clipboard to get Oakland's minimum wage raised to $15.

Guy: Sir, here sign this.
925: No thank you.
Guy: But you don't know what it is.
925: Well, don't you think telling people what your doing would be a better start then sticking a clipboard in strangers faces.
Guy: It's to have Oakland's minimum wage to $15/hour.
925: No thank you.
Guy: What? Why?
925: Because I don't think that's a good idea.
Guy: How is helping Oakland not a good idea.
925: Can you explain why it's a good idea?
Guy: *blank stare*
Guy: Well, more money...helps.
925: That's a small Band-Aid for a huge wound. The problem isn't people don't make enough money, the problem is the money isn't worth anything, you could make it $100/hr and it's not gonna make a difference that our money doesn't match how much things have and will inflate. In an area with so many people not working you want to make it more expensive for companies to hire people and discourage part-time hiring?
Guy: *Blank Stare*
Guy: *Turns around, has guy behind me sign the paper, no questions asked*
 
Jan 29, 2005
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I don't really like the minimum wage getting hiked up everywhere.

And I don't like how everyone automatically thinks that fixes anything, and just blindly think making more money.

I had a back and forth with some guy outside a safeway the other day that wanted me to sign his clipboard to get Oakland's minimum wage raised to $15.

Guy: Sir, here sign this.
925: No thank you.
Guy: But you don't know what it is.
925: Well, don't you think telling people what your doing would be a better start then sticking a clipboard in strangers faces.
Guy: It's to have Oakland's minimum wage to $15/hour.
925: No thank you.
Guy: What? Why?
925: Because I don't think that's a good idea.
Guy: How is helping Oakland not a good idea.
925: Can you explain why it's a good idea?
Guy: *blank stare*
Guy: Well, more money...helps.
925: That's a small Band-Aid for a huge wound. The problem isn't people don't make enough money, the problem is the money isn't worth anything, you could make it $100/hr and it's not gonna make a difference that our money doesn't match how much things have and will inflate. In an area with so many people not working you want to make it more expensive for companies to hire people and discourage part-time hiring?
Guy: *Blank Stare*
Guy: *Turns around, has guy behind me sign the paper, no questions asked*
I made a similar argument as you in the Open Forum McDonalds and Walmart threads like 6 months ago.

Rather then get told I was wrong I was called various names like "corporation lover" and "sell out" lol
 
Jan 29, 2005
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I also made the argument of small businesses going under if they have to all of a sudden pay 17 year old kids twice the amount of money. I was called stupid and they said the small business was evil if they didn't want to pay people more lol


Which in turn if small business goes under it only leaves corporations left, yet I'm called the corporation lover...
 

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I also made the argument of small businesses going under if they have to all of a sudden pay 17 year old kids twice the amount of money. I was called stupid and they said the small business was evil if they didn't want to pay people more lol


Which in turn if small business goes under it only leaves corporations left, yet I'm called the corporation lover...
my whole argument in that thread was that these people are not worthy of 15 an hour for their lackluster job.
 
Jan 29, 2005
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my whole argument in that thread was that these people are not worthy of 15 an hour for their lackluster job.
I said a similar thing about it gives people no reason to succeed in life if the french fry cook at McDonalds is making $30,000 a year the same as somebody who spends 4 years at college busting their asses, putting themselves in to debt, and coming out making the exact same money.

I got told I was a hater and the fry cook at McDonalds deserves a good quality of life. Which I agree, everybody regardless of their job deserves a good quality of life, but then we need to completely reformat the entire American way of life which would take years of work and an actual revolt of the lazy American public, unfortunately that lazy American public just sees right here and right now and they think "give me $15 an hour and everything will be great". Until inflation completely eats up that $15 an hour and your in the exact same spot.
 
Apr 26, 2003
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I saw happen in San Jose, specifically at Jiffy Lube's everyone was juiced they started raising it early, everyone was happy to sign their new employee paperwork. Then 1 person here, 2 people there, they needed to get let go because of the cost, then they had to shuffle employees to the busy stores, that killed the other stores, so now 2-3 locations are closed, and a dozen people are out of a job. And that doesn't just hurt Jiffy Lube, then my route volume goes down, all the other suppliers numbers go down, oil guys, water delivery guys, waste removal guys, everyone is doing less because these oil monkeys that barely graduated high school "deserved" more money.

Similar thing at a couple cafe's I delivered to, they have 5 full-time employees, 5 part-time employees, cost goes up, now they have 4 full-time employees and 2 part-timers. 4 extra people out of work hurts more than 6 people making more.
 
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The difference is there is some people working minimum wage who deserve it and some who dont. It should be more of an obligation for companies to give better raises for low income workers depending on their track record.

If you show up on time everyday, don't slack, flip some good ass burgers or give great customer service you deserve more than minimum. It is the lazy ass fucks or miserable people who do JUST enough to not get fired that dont deserve any kind of increased wages.