Police kill 13 year old boy

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Ok, that is your opinion, and even still you would have no right to shoot a child with his back turned because he was wielding a weapon that you thought was real.

Regardless, it is not illegal for any person to carry a toy gun as long as they are not in the commission of a crime or are not a prohibited person.

Unfortunately, if the officer feels his life is in danger, he has every right to use force, deadly if needed. Kids are very capable of shooting guns. Were you there? No? Then you dont know how it all went down. Neither do i. So why are arguing a point that holds no water? The only people that knows the facts are a) the officer involved and b) the dead kid. Witnesses are not always reliable, and research proves this.

Regardless, while its not illegal to carry a toy gun, its not WISE to carry around a toy gun that looks strikingly like a REAL gun, as already pointed out by other posters. We are talking about "people being so stupid they shouldn't leave their residence"...maybe the kid shouldn't have been walking around with a toy gun that loos real. Common sense, right?

 

[StillHustlin]

When the toy gun appears to look real, and there is a law that says you cant carry an automatic rifle, then those facts become distorted. Its all a matter of context.

A toy gun does not qualify under any of the gun laws in the State of California. The only time toy guns are prohibited is during the commission of a crime or being possessed by a prohibited person who is court ordered not to possess a toy gun. That is the facts.

 

[jake921660]

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

A toy gun does not qualify under any of the gun laws in the State of California. The only time toy guns are prohibited is during the commission of a crime or being possessed by a prohibited person who is court ordered not to possess a toy gun. That is the facts.

Apparently, you didn't read the part that said "when the toy gun APPEARS to look real". That is the caveat here, and the key to it all. Please read adn understand posts thoroughly before posting rebuttals. thank you.

 

[StillHustlin]

Unfortunately, if the officer feels his life is in danger, he has every right to use force, deadly if needed. Kids are very capable of shooting guns. Were you there? No? Then you dont know how it all went down. Neither do i. So why are arguing a point that holds no water? The only people that knows the facts are a) the officer involved and b) the dead kid. Witnesses are not always reliable, and research proves this.

Regardless, while its not illegal to carry a toy gun, its not WISE to carry around a toy gun that looks strikingly like a REAL gun, as already pointed out by other posters. We are talking about "people being so stupid they shouldn't leave their residence"...maybe the kid shouldn't have been walking around with a toy gun that loos real. Common sense, right?

I don't have to be there to understand simple math and that the situation does not add up. 1 + 1 can only equal 2, if it doesn't then there is an unknown variable not being shared, that is common sense. The FBI would not have jumped on this immediately if it was normal and acceptable. The community would not have been protesting if this was normal and acceptable. That is common sense. The facts are much wider than your a and b, there have been may facts known and they will continue to be released as this case moves forward. The child was playing with friends earlier with the toy gun, this is what children have done for decades and continue to do. The child was returning the toy gun to a friend, that is not a crime and not a reason to murder a child. The truth is this piece of shit leo had no right being out there on the streets. What kind of mental health clearance was he given after Iraq to patrol our streets? NONE.

 

[StillHustlin]

Apparently, you didn't read the part that said "when the toy gun APPEARS to look real". That is the caveat here, and the key to it all. Please read adn understand posts thoroughly before posting rebuttals. thank you.

Now you are mixing what you think appears to be real and what the laws of the state of California are. Sorry, that does not fly.

 

[MysticOracle]

Ok, that is your opinion, and even still you would have no right to shoot a child with his back turned because he was wielding a weapon that you thought was real.

Regardless, it is not illegal for any person to carry a toy gun as long as they are not in the commission of a crime or are not a prohibited person.

do you think it would be smart to just carry a replica AK walking around in a mall or at movie theater ? there is no law saying i cant own a replica since its not real..but i wonder how many people might believe it was real and the disturbance it might cause...might even end up dead ...it would be an interesting social study...see how many people react with fear perhaps the cops get called and then it gets really interesting...

i understand what your're saying you shouldnt just shoot before questioning it...but seriously, 2013 shit is crazy now days with people just unloading in random spots..if the kid made any movement that felt dangerous you have seconds to react ..its not even cop mentality, thats basic survival for anyone that feels in danger of losing their life...me personally though, i would have shot also ...maybe aim for the arm or leg but even then you clip an artery and he could have bled out slow ...

common sense was slept on that day...

 

[MysticOracle]

and he's lucky there wasnt that one dude with a pistol there

 

[DubbC415]

^^^he wasnt in a mall or movie theater...again those situational "ifs" are irrelevant.

 

[StillHustlin]

do you think it would be smart to just carry a replica AK walking around in a mall or at movie theater ? there is no law saying i cant own a replica since its not real..but i wonder how many people might believe it was real and the disturbance it might cause...might even end up dead ...it would be an interesting social study...see how many people react with fear perhaps the cops get called and then it gets really interesting...

i understand what your're saying you shouldnt just shoot before questioning it...but seriously, 2013 shit is crazy now days with people just unloading in random spots..if the kid made any movement that felt dangerous you have seconds to react ..its not even cop mentality, thats basic survival for anyone that feels in danger of losing their life...me personally though, i would have shot also ...maybe aim for the arm or leg but even then you clip an artery and he could have bled out slow ...

common sense was slept on that day...

The child was walking to return the toy gun, plain and simple. He was not in a mall or movie theater. 2013 is just another year to me, the only thing crazier today than yesterday is how many more people buy in to and accept the system. A system built from every day peoples blood sweat and tears, yet still a system that murders us and lets us know how expendable we are.

 

[Ghost Dance]

Unfortunately, if the officer feels his life is in danger, he has every right to use force, deadly if needed. Kids are very capable of shooting guns. Were you there? No? Then you dont know how it all went down. Neither do i. So why are arguing a point that holds no water? The only people that knows the facts are a) the officer involved and b) the dead kid. Witnesses are not always reliable, and research proves this.

Regardless, while its not illegal to carry a toy gun, its not WISE to carry around a toy gun that looks strikingly like a REAL gun, as already pointed out by other posters. We are talking about "people being so stupid they shouldn't leave their residence"...maybe the kid shouldn't have been walking around with a toy gun that loos real. Common sense, right?

The problem is that it is minorities that are being killed by police eveyday in america...this situation is just one of hundreds out there where police and everyday citizens are shooting and killing blacks and latinos ar alarming rates...maybe sometimes it is justified but we all know that is not the case everytime and the scariest part of it all that it is excepted in our society. Minority lives are not valued the same as whites in america and thats the problem. If this was young white kids being killed at the same rate there would be an uproar in this country and laws would be passed. Just look at the random mass shootings that happen usally the shooter iz white and the victims are white and as soon as one happens new gun laws get pushed through or brought into conversation. Now compare the 30 or 40 people a year who get killed in mass shootings to the thousands of minorities that get killed each year from gang violence, cops, everyday citizens that feel threatened or for what ever reason. My point is our children and familys members stay getting gunned down and no one seems to give a shit or will try to justify it in someway or another but let one white girl go missing and its shut down the earth to find her. I'm just tired of seeing black and brown faces on the news being killed by the same people we pay to serve and protect...the bullshit and turning the other cheek must stop.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

I don't have to be there to understand simple math and that the situation does not add up.

We arent dealing with math, we are dealing with a kid being shot by a cop becuase he was brandishing a life-like rifle.

1 + 1 can only equal 2, if it doesn't than there is an unknown variable not being shared, that is common sense.

Common sense has little to do with math.

The FBI would not have jumped on this immediately if it was normal and acceptable.

How do you know? For all you know, the FBI gets involved in many thinngs dealing with murder. I dont know, im not a cop, im not an FBI agent. I take it neither are you.

The community would not have been protesting if this was normal and acceptable.

They are getting involved, i can imagine. for plenty of reasons. The oine being that it was a 1`3 year old boy. However, and again, unless they were there and witnessed everything that happened, it doesnt make a lick of difference. And even if they did witness it, there is always the conclusion that their testimony isnt reliable.

That is common sense.

No, it isnt.

The facts are much wider than your a and b, there have been may facts known and they will continue to be released as this case moves forward.

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You should take your own advice here, obviously.

The child was playing with friends earlier with the toy gun, this is what children have done for decades and continue to do.

What does that have to do with anything? Did the cops see the kids playing with those guns? Im going to guess "no". becuase had they, they probably would have shot him, and their friends, much sooner in the day.

The child was returning the toy gun to a friend, that is not a crime and not a reason to murder a child.

Again, you are using logic that does not apply to anything. We all understand the laws. The problem here is perception. The toy guy LOOKED LIKE A REAL GUN. Are we clear on this yet? Im getting tired of having to tell you over and over again. Its almost as if you dont understand the concept, or you are so stubborn to this idea that you dont want to admit it.

The truth is this piece of shit leo had no right being out there on the streets.

The truth is you dont know what actually, truly happened becuase YOU WERE NOT THERE. Again, this is the second time i have had to bring this to your attention, yet you continue to argue this fact.

What kind of mental health clearance was he given after Iraq to patrol our streets? NONE.

More stuff you have no idea about. God lord man, its CLEAR you have an agenda after everything you have typed. Your judgement is clouded by something to the tune of "cops are bad, yo". So of course, you decide that no matter what, the cop is wrong. Thats called being subjectively biased.

I wasn't there. All i know is what is being reported...that a 13 year old boy was killed by police officers, becuase the kid has what appeared to be a automatic rifle. Whether it was a toy or not is not the issue, the gun APPEARED real to the police officers. It was reported that the kid was told to drop the weapon, of which he did not comply. He was then shot by police.

If you want to continue to debate this fine, but if you arent going to understand the context of the situation, then please do not respond anymore.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

The problem is that it is minorities that are being killed by police eveyday in america...this situation is just one of hundreds out there where police and everyday citizens are shooting and killing blacks and latinos ar alarming rates...maybe sometimes it is justified but we all know that is not the case everytime and the scariest part of it all that it is excepted in our society. Minority lives are not valued the same as whites in america and thats the problem. If this was young white kids being killed at the same rate there would be an uproar in this country and laws would be passed. Just look at the random mass shootings that happen usally the shooter iz white and the victims are white and as soon as one happens new gun laws get pushed through or brought into conversation. Now compare the 30 or 40 people a year who get killed in mass shootings to the thousands of minorities that get killed each year from gang violence, cops, everyday citizens that feel threatened or for what ever reason. My point is our children and familys members stay getting gunned down and no one seems to give a shit or will try to justify it in someway or another but let one white girl go missing and its shut down the earth to find her. I'm just tired of seeing black and brown faces on the news being killed by the same people we pay to serve and protect...the bullshit and turning the other cheek must stop.

The issue with your argument is...we do know the rates? I dont. What is the ratio of minorities living below the poverty line compared to Caucasians? You ever notice its never an upper middle class minority getting shot? Maybe its not so much just a color thing, but also a socioeconomic thing: those who have less, may be more willing to commit illegal or immoral activities to survive. In fact, its pretty obvious that if you are poor your behavior will, for the most part, be more brash than those who arent. There is less at stake, and the reward probably outweighs the penalty at a much higher level.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

Now you are mixing what you think appears to be real and what the laws of the state of California are. Sorry, that does not fly.

I can assure you that in every town, city, and state the same laws apply: if the officer feels his or her life is in danger, they are to use force. Again, for the 3rd time now...the officer obviously felt his life was in danger, becuase the gun APPEARED to look real. In other words, the gun could have harmed him.

 

[MysticOracle]

^^^he wasnt in a mall or movie theater...again those situational "ifs" are irrelevant.

i wasnt saying he was...i was saying as a social experiment to walk around streets with a replica and observe peoples reactions


i can guarantee you had the kid been holding a nerf gun he wouldnt have been killed

the problem lies in the style of gun he was carrying

 

[Ghost Dance]

The issue with your argument is...we do know the rates? I dont. What is the ratio of minorities living below the poverty line compared to Caucasians? You ever notice its never an upper middle class minority getting shot? Maybe its not so much just a color thing, but also a socioeconomic thing: those who have less, may be more willing to commit illegal or immoral activities to survive. In fact, its pretty obvious that if you are poor your behavior will, for the most part, be more brash than those who arent. There is less at stake, and the reward probably outweighs the penalty at a much higher level.

That for sure plays a part in it and would never argue against that being a key factor too...but since were getting more into critical thinking here why not ask the question why do more minorities live underneath the poverty lines and why are we more subject to be put into a position where we would have to commit a crime to survive?

Well that would open a whole other can of worms and I would much rather stay on subject and not comb over the fact that its minorites being killed by police, and the fact that if that 13 year old kid was white that officer might have been less scared and took a little more time to find out the gun was fake. The kid might still be alive but our society teaches us that dark skin should be feared and that if u feel threatened in anyway is ok to shoot us first and ask questions later because there will be no charges ever filled against and if in the rare case there is u will beat ur case.

Its easy to turn away and act like its our faults but why should I be scared to let my son leave the house because the POLICE might kill him...most white folks don't have to think about stuff like that when their kids go out to play but unfourtunitly we do...on top of all the other bullshit like gangs and drugs in our communities we got police to worry about...if u can't see that's a huge problem then ur a part of that problem...PERIOD.

 

[Foul Mouth]

When the toy gun appears to look real, and there is a law that says you cant carry an automatic rifle, then those facts become distorted. Its all a matter of context.

just like you can get robbed with a fake gun. a culprit aint gonna get a lighter sentence if he uses a toy gun vs a loaded firearm.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

lmao StillHustlin is going to be checking in for his flight to Neverland carrying his novelty alarm clock and be shocked when the cops shoot him...

I don't know what world you live in brah but send me an invite.

 

[StillHustlin]

lmao StillHustlin is going to be checking in for his flight to Neverland carrying his novelty alarm clock and be shocked when the cops shoot him...

I don't know what world you live in brah but send me an invite.

Here we carry real guns. People out here carry pistols, rifles, whatever, we believe in the 2nd Amendment and our state acknowledges that right. I don't profile people by the way they look and judge whether they should have a gun or not, I believe in gun rights. People on the other side believe in authoritarianism and collectivism. We don't have draconian gun laws out here. I understand the world you live in does not respect your rights. First they take away yours, the populace there accepts it, and next they try and want to take away ours. This game is not new. For those that know their US "his story", know that when Paul Revere was warning people the British were coming, the British were coming for their guns. The first gun control laws post British were pushed by the KKK (created from members of the democratic party) because they did not want non-whites to be able to arm themselves. In 2013 the front is the UN via US political pundits trying to tell so-called free people what their rights should be concerning guns. Places in the US with the most restrictive gun laws have the most violent crime statistics in the nation. Why is that? Because you allowed yourself to be made a target by letting the system infringe on your rights.

People who say this child's toy gun looked like an automatic weapon, you obviously don't understand guns. Automatic weapons are illegal to possess in every state, unless you have a class III license. Just because a weapon can be converted to automatic, does not mean it is not a semi-automatic.

All of that is besides the fact that a child was murdered for carrying a toy gun not a real one.

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Here we carry real guns. People out here carry pistols, rifles, whatever, we believe in the 2nd Amendment and our state acknowledges that right. I don't profile people by the way they look and judge whether they should have a gun or not, I believe in gun rights. People on the other side believe in authoritarianism and collectivism. We don't have draconian gun laws out here. I understand the world you live in does not respect your rights. First they take away yours, the populace there accepts it, and next they try and want to take away ours. This game is not new. For those that know their US "his story", know that when Paul Revere was warning people the British were coming, the British were coming for their guns. The first gun control laws post British were pushed by the KKK (created from members of the democratic party) because they did not want non-whites to be able to arm themselves. In 2013 the front is the UN via US political pundits trying to tell so-called free people what their rights should be concerning guns. Places in the US with the most restrictive gun laws have the most violent crime statistics in the nation. Why is that? Because you allowed yourself to be made a target by letting the system infringe on your rights.

I guess? I am admittedly slightly confused by your point in the paragraph above.

People carry real guns here too my friend. I believe strongly in gun rights. I have a cwp and carry a gun with me most places.

This isn't about taking away rights it's about common sense.

People who say this child's toy gun looked like an automatic weapon, you obviously don't understand guns. Automatic weapons are illegal to possess in every state, unless you have a class III license. Just because a weapon can be converted to automatic, does not mean it is not a semi-automatic.

I am not sure if you are doing a really bad and blatant job of creating a straw man argument here or not, but no one is arguing whether this gun looked like an automatic weapon or not, simply that it looked real.

Whether that gun is bolt action, semi automatic, or fully automatic is completely irrelevant to whether or not it looked real.

You also realize that in most cases the difference between a semi-automatic and fully automatic rifle would be imperceptible by simply looking at the gun. You would need to disassemble the receiver to discern that.

All of that is besides the fact that a child was murdered for carrying a toy gun not a real one.

For someone that seems to be generally down on cops, you sure seem to expect them to poses superhuman powers.

You are kidding yourself if you think you could tell the difference between a "real" gun and some of these "toy" guns from 50ft away in just a few seconds.