Police kill 13 year old boy

[DAT NIGGA TAZZ]

Not exactly. The officers themselves aren't the biggest problem, it's the skewed system that they're helping to enforce. What those kids "need" are police officers that live in or are from their neighborhoods and know who's who and what's what. They need officers who don't automatically think "suspect" anytime they see a black or brown male wearing street clothing. They need officers who actually understand where these kids are coming from. As it is, most officers in big cities are the exact opposite of that; in Oakland, less than 15% of the OPD actually lives in Oakland. Same with SF and though the percentage may be higher in Sacramento considering how spread out the city is, it's probably not that much higher. Do you see the problem with that? Why are suburbanites policing big cities when the majority of them have been raised to be scared to death of the communities they're policing and especially of the people in them?s.

I agree with this... Having cops patrolling neighborhoods theyve known since before they were cops would make alot of situations easier. In this situation, no murder would have happened if it was cops patrolling their regular area. Even if they had only been on the job 6 months. sheriffs around here dont have any people skills and dont know how to deal with people in a human way. Theyre like robots. When my friends' house got raided they were being such assholes which is understandable up until the situation under control. They had me handcuffed helllla tight and i instantly said thats way too tight but i waited for them to get everything under control n safe for them to actually ask them to loosen them. So after i had been sitting with my back against the tree for an hour with the cuffs too tight and my hands completely numb(which i have bad knees so i asked them if the could help me sit down and they said "just slide your back down the side of the tree"), i asked them politely if they could loosen them, the same sheriff, he said yea in a minute... Another 15 minutes and i ask again, he says yea hold on... Another 30 minutes i ask again, he says yea... 10 minutes later i see him leave. Then an srpd cop walks by and i ask him, 2 minutes later he goes to loosen them n the words out of his mouth were "hoooly shit". He was actually hella cool, he was all surprised n shit he was like "who even did these like that" n got me a bottle of water n let me drink it.

But yea my hands were purple n numb, i had red marks all up the sides of my wrist, and i still have a scar from it. After they drove us from cloverdale to santa in the paddywagon to the station for interrigation n let us out after an hour cuz we didnt do anything wrong and theyre bitch asses wouldnt give us a ride back and left us stranded, we hustle up a ride after 5 more hours... And i go to start my car and it was dead. They tore my car to shit, and they put on my headlights on and left them to kill my battery. I am 100% positive i didnt leave them on, they did that shit, i could understand if they had bumped the blinked switch, but u have to purposely swiwel the thing for the headlights to go on. There was no reason to do that when they were searching it, other than to fuck with me for no reason.

And for the record, i hadnt done anything wrong and was fully cooperating with them, as i did all the other times theyve fucked with me. And i hate people who say "fuck the police" when they know damn well its theyre own fault, or theyre just mad they got caught... im not the type of person to do all that i just have trouble understanding why this type of shit happens to me... I joke around but really im not the type thats quick to call somebody racist, and really i hope its not that, i hope that kids in the future dont have to go through any of that... But i just wonder sometimes "well if its not that then what else is it?"

 

[StillHustlin]

We in a country born out of racism, so uh yea it plays a big part the scheme of things. This is the new millennium though, that New World Order is here at yo mufuqn doorstep, like it or not. You either "get down or lay down" in the eyes of these mufuqas, they don't give a fuq what color you are- we all pawns in the game to the system. Believe dat!

 

[MysticOracle]

went to the gun show at the cow palace this weekend and saw these and immediately thought of this situation

sure they have an orange tip but damn ....if painted

25.00 gets you your very own replica AK though and possible death sentence

 

[kane916]

Most of the time those orange tips can be pulled right off with your bare hands. No paint even needed.

 

[DAT NIGGA TAZZ]

Loki give u those guns?

 

[MysticOracle]

Loki give u those guns?

 

[StillHustlin]

all those toys look fake as fuq to me with or without orange tip. If you not smart enough to decipher between the two you not only have no business being a law enforcement officer, you also probably have no business being allowed outside of your residence as you would have to be a full blown idiot to think those look real lmao

No wonder our population is dominated by idiots smh they can't even tell whats fake or real lmao

 

[DubbC415]

I'm also getting real sick of idiots commenting on this on other sites saying the kid "CHALLENGED" or "DISOBEYED" The officers

 

[pbarb666]

Jeeze people still talkin bout this? Kids parents fucked up by lettin their kid walk the streets with a relica AK. If this kid was really packin heat and walked down to his school and blasted a bunch of kids and faculty (which happens every year) people would be bitchin that cops coulda taken him out sooner but didn't. Unfortunate series of events but I'm not blaming the cops for this one.

 

[StillHustlin]

Jeeze people still talkin bout this? Kids parents fucked up by lettin their kid walk the streets with a relica AK. If this kid was really packin heat and walked down to his school and blasted a bunch of kids and faculty (which happens every year) people would be bitchin that cops coulda taken him out sooner but didn't. Unfortunate series of events but I'm not blaming the cops for this one.

If this If that

There aint no If. The child had a toy gun, he violated no law. He was murdered in cold blood by a law enforcement officer over a toy gun. Those are the facts.

 

[DubbC415]

i was just gonna say that. your "If" situation DIDN'T happen so "bitching" about this really is not rediculous. thats whats fucked about our society, everyone wants to move on to the next shooting, the next tragedy, and just forget about what happened.


sick of the "let's move on" mentality

 

[pbarb666]

I'm just sayin the kid and his parents played a big part in this tragedy that should not be downplayed by blaming the cops entirely. And "murdered in cold blood" makes it sound like the cops did a drive by on kids house or something lol. I dunno man to each there own

 

[MysticOracle]

in the times we live in its just not the thing to do to walk down the street with a toy gun, sure its not a crime but its also not the smartest thing to do...

and the "murdered in cold blood" argument doesnt work...the cop didnt go out of his way to pick this kid out and just open fire...the kid had earphones in which unfortunately for him made it so he couldnt hear the orders given by the cop so from a distance when he turned with the ak still in hand and faced the cop the cop didnt take a chance ...its unfortunate it really is , but to say the cop didnt in cold blood is absurd ... i would have done the same thing if i was in that situation..im not betting the odds on the gun being real or fake or the kids mental state ...

 

[StillHustlin]

This was the 3rd fatal shooting committed by Bay-area police in 24 hours.

The officer who shot Andy Lopez has been revealed to be 48-year-old Sonoma County Deputy Erick Gelhaus, according to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.

Gelhaus is a 24-year veteran of the department, an Iraq combat veteran, a firearms instructor, and a prolific writer and commenter on the internet. He served in the Army National Guard from 2004 to 2010, and testified about dealing with insurgents in Iraq. He advocates an aggressive, combat-like view of law enforcement.

He’s given verbose details about how to react in self-defense situations (using that term loosely here). Prior to the killing of Andy Lopez, Gelhaus wrote about how to handle the aftermath of killing a person with a BB-gun. The Press Democrat reported:

In one revealing thread, forum members debated whether the use of force is justified if someone brandishes or fires a BB gun at another person.

Gelhaus chimed in, writing that “It’s going to come down to YOUR ability to articulate to law enforcement and very likely the Court that you were in fear of death or serious bodily injury.”

cold-blood·ed
adjective
without emotion or feeling; dispassionate; cruel: a cold-blooded murder.


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BTW the child did not fire the toy gun or even point it at law enforcement either
I called it too when I said he would be a war vet treating people over here like he did over there.
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This bitch ass mufuqa thinks he goin to retire with his pension after this I hope the parents lawsuit makes this fake hang or shoot himself

Some of you are on the other side real speech

 

[Fruitvale_Mac]

cold-blood·ed
adjective
without emotion or feeling; dispassionate; cruel: a cold-blooded murder.


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BTW the child did not fire the toy gun or even point it at law enforcement either
I called it too when I said he would be a war vet treating people over here like he did over there.
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This bitch ass mufuqa thinks he goin to retire with his pension after this I hope the parents lawsuit makes this fake hang or shoot himself

Some of you are on the other side realt speech

It's sad, but that's how it goes in real life and the courtroom. That cop's right, if he's able to make the case that he reasonably believed his life was in danger the chance of him catching any charges is next to nothing. The key words being "believed he was in danger". The only way that's gonna change is if another account (or video or etc.) comes out of this that shows that the officer instigated this in any way shape or form... Debating whether or not he should have recognized it as being a toy gun isn't going to hold up in a courtroom that already gives officers the benefit of the doubt.

That being said, that cop sounds like a true blue pig.

 

[StillHustlin]

It's sad, but that's how it goes in real life and the courtroom. That cop's right, if he's able to make the case that he reasonably believed his life was in danger the chance of him catching any charges is next to nothing. The key words being "believed he was in danger". The only way that's gonna change is if another account (or video or etc.) comes out of this that shows that the officer instigated this in any way shape or form... Debating whether or not he should have recognized it as being a toy gun isn't going to hold up in a courtroom that already gives officers the benefit of the doubt.

That being said, that cop sounds like a true blue pig.

While I agree with your point, and understand how it is, it is not going to be a slam dunk for him to prove his life was in danger when the child had his back turned to them and also didn't respond to the one and only command allegedly given. I know the game is rigged, but that doesn't mean people should sit back and take it on the chin. This is not a situation where someone got hustled over a few dollars and it gets charged to the game, this is a situation where a law enforcement abused his powers and murdered someone for it. I know it is far from the first instance and far from the last but the real power is in the people and its up to the people to change shit and there is not going to come change from sitting back and taking it.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

all those toys look fake as fuq to me with or without orange tip. If you not smart enough to decipher between the two you not only have no business being a law enforcement officer, you also probably have no business being allowed outside of your residence as you would have to be a full blown idiot to think those look real lmao

No wonder our population is dominated by idiots smh they can't even tell whats fake or real lmao

Thats becuase you know they are fake. However, if you are standing 30 feet away, and you saw someone holding that with no orange tip...it would look very real.

The idea is to make the gun look as real as possible...the orange tip is the only difference.

 

[Fucky McFuckerson]

If this If that

There aint no If. The child had a toy gun, he violated no law. He was murdered in cold blood by a law enforcement officer over a toy gun. Those are the facts.

When the toy gun appears to look real, and there is a law that says you cant carry an automatic rifle, then those facts become distorted. Its all a matter of context.

 

[timebomb]

rip to the child

 

[StillHustlin]

Thats becuase you know they are fake. However, if you are standing 30 feet away, and you saw someone holding that with no orange tip...it would look very real.

The idea is to make the gun look as real as possible...the orange tip is the only difference.

Ok, that is your opinion, and even still you would have no right to shoot a child with his back turned because he was wielding a weapon that you thought was real.

Regardless, it is not illegal for any person to carry a toy gun as long as they are not in the commission of a crime or are not a prohibited person.