Mayweather is finally going to fight again. I say Guerrero then Canelo. Canelo needs one big win against a legit 154lber before the Mayweather fight does big numbers. If Canelo was to fight and beat Cotto. The Canelo vs Mayweather fight would do BIG numbers. Guerrero in March -May 2013 then Canelo Sept-Dec 2013.
Who should Mayweather fight next?
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the best fight for floyd and boxing period is canelo. The amount of $$$ that fight would generate would be crazy floyd could retire after that one fuck manny and his jew puppet master lol but I can bet he takes the Guerrero fight why? Easy fight, easy money would easily do mayweather/ortiz numbers and floyd add's another W to his resume. I would personally like to see floyd fight bradley.
The problem is Mayweather will always have an advantage over the guys his own size, until father time take control, because he's just that damn good in the ring. Marquez looked the same as he always did on fight night against Mayweather and got outboxed with easily. Marquez in his prime would still get outboxed by Mayweather. I laugh how people act like 39 yr old Marquez is in better shape now then he was against Floyd. Mayweather is so good that people want him to fight guys 20lb heavier then him, just so the guy he is fighting has an advantage over him. I have never heard of a fighting being judge like this Mayweather already went up 5 weight classes and unlike most he won his belts by beating the top guys in the weight classes.
The Ghost, Canelo, then retire if Manny is still too scared to fight. Then comeback two or three years later to fight Broner for his last mega payday. lol I can dream can't I..
The Ghost, Canelo, then retire if Manny is still too scared to fight. Then comeback two or three years later to fight Broner for his last mega payday. lol I can dream can't I..
actually clearly marquez looks much bigger/stronger at 147 now than he did against floyd.
but him losing to floyd had nothing to do with weight or size or physical shape.
had to do with styles.
Marquez was forced to take the lead and allowed floyd to be the counter puncher. that's not marquez's game. JMM is quite obviously at his best when he can sit back and play the role of the counter puncher and allow his opponent to come to him. He's not comfortable walking down his opponents. He's a thinker, he needs to set up traps, etc.
This is why Marquez shines against guys like Pacquiao, Diaz, Katsidis, but struggled against Floyd and to a lesser extent, Chris John (who boxed and JMM had to chase around).
but him losing to floyd had nothing to do with weight or size or physical shape.
had to do with styles.
Marquez was forced to take the lead and allowed floyd to be the counter puncher. that's not marquez's game. JMM is quite obviously at his best when he can sit back and play the role of the counter puncher and allow his opponent to come to him. He's not comfortable walking down his opponents. He's a thinker, he needs to set up traps, etc.
This is why Marquez shines against guys like Pacquiao, Diaz, Katsidis, but struggled against Floyd and to a lesser extent, Chris John (who boxed and JMM had to chase around).
Right weight? Floyd had in his contract to be between 140-147 although Marquez got paid a bigger amount for it. Remember dont take the fight if u feel weight is an issue. Thats an excuse to me. I mean dude came in 2 pounds over. Remember most fighters come into the fight anywhere from 5-20 pounds bigger than the weigh in anyway so whats the point? Also May doesnt always have the advantage weight wise anyway. Dela Hoya & Cotto both had the advantage and looked bigger when he fought them. He still served them both. May dont fight scrubs man. Got Em!!
Why even have weight classes if people aren't going to follow them? Or why even make catchweights if you're not going to abide by them? 2 pounds to a fat motherfucker ain't shit, but if someone Mayweather or Marquez's size has to lose 2 extra pounds it makes a huge difference! Look at Morales, Bam Bam Rios for example...
Ok so u are saying that 2 pounds on weigh in day is a big deal but its ok for say someone like Chavez Jr. to come into the ring weighing 185 when he fights in a 160 division? To me thats worse than being a couple pounds over weight at weigh in. I think there should be a weight limit even on fight night. If there is one then it needs to be revisited because its a joke right now. Martinez was way smaller than Chavez Jr. but still schooled him. Its not always an advantage to be bigger. Got Em!!
When did I say it's ok for Chavez to be that big? He should be fighting in Andre Ward's weight class honestly, he's protected though cuz his chin won't hold up the same there.
Still, they make the weigh ins and that's what they go for when it comes to titles and weightclasses. Not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. And it's not always an advantage to be bigger, no. But in this particular case, Mayweather being bigger was a huge advantage. Faster, stronger, bigger, better technician, everything better than Marquez except heart maybe. I know it's a business and to him that "zero" means everything, I'm just saying that it leads him to take advantage of other fighters trying to get that payday. He's so good he probably doesn't need to do shit like that, but he does it anyways which makes me think that he is scared to lose and thinks he needs help on matchups sometimes...that's all.
Still, they make the weigh ins and that's what they go for when it comes to titles and weightclasses. Not saying it's right, it's just the way it is. And it's not always an advantage to be bigger, no. But in this particular case, Mayweather being bigger was a huge advantage. Faster, stronger, bigger, better technician, everything better than Marquez except heart maybe. I know it's a business and to him that "zero" means everything, I'm just saying that it leads him to take advantage of other fighters trying to get that payday. He's so good he probably doesn't need to do shit like that, but he does it anyways which makes me think that he is scared to lose and thinks he needs help on matchups sometimes...that's all.
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I'm all for weight limits on fight night but it's risky.
The problem is that it's extremely dangerous for a fighter to take a hard cut and not rehydrate and replenish carbs in their system. Fighters would be fainting and possibly dying. Just too dangerous.
The problem is that it's extremely dangerous for a fighter to take a hard cut and not rehydrate and replenish carbs in their system. Fighters would be fainting and possibly dying. Just too dangerous.
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I agree. The WBC recently implemented a rule that states a fighter cannot rehydrate more than 10% of their weight. which sounded good at first, then you realize Chavez could still gain 16 pounds against Martinez. Plus the second weigh in was at 9.30am, so still plenty of more time for Chavez or whoever to gain even more weight by fight time which is typically around 7-9pm.
The IBF has a rule that doesn't allow fighters to gain more than 10 pounds by fight night. This is a much better rule, but again, it gets into a gray area of whether or not it's safe or not. One one had it should in theory be better for both fighters, but on the other the fighter who is cutting a lot of weight could be really hurt. In the end you'd think that would force guys to fight at a higher weight class.
The IBF has a rule that doesn't allow fighters to gain more than 10 pounds by fight night. This is a much better rule, but again, it gets into a gray area of whether or not it's safe or not. One one had it should in theory be better for both fighters, but on the other the fighter who is cutting a lot of weight could be really hurt. In the end you'd think that would force guys to fight at a higher weight class.
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So because May missed his weigh in by 2 pounds he always has and advantage? U act like there werent other fighters who missed weight. Sometimes it happens. I still think missing weight by 2 pounds isnt as bad as blowing up 20 pounds the next day of the fight. Neither is right and there should be sumthin done about it. Mayweather doesnt always have the advantage though. He moved up twice to 154 to fight Dela Hoya & Cotto and was at a disadvantage in both fights and both fights were kinda tough but he showed heart to do it and still won both fights. Got Em!!
I hear both of yall and agree. I think the best way to resolve is to have cats fight in their right division. Actually Chavez Jr. should be fighting in Dawson's class if anything. That way his weight would be more realistic. He fights at around 185 or so on fight night so he should fight at 175. Thats how they should judge cats when it comes to what class they are in. There is no tru way to correct it 100% but right now its kind of a joke. Got Em!!
I hear both of yall and agree. I think the best way to resolve is to have cats fight in their right division. Actually Chavez Jr. should be fighting in Dawson's class if anything. That way his weight would be more realistic. He fights at around 185 or so on fight night so he should fight at 175. Thats how they should judge cats when it comes to what class they are in. There is no tru way to correct it 100% but right now its kind of a joke. Got Em!!
nah, if you can make weight you can make weight. We should just leave it at that. Maybe a fine or something for blowing up more than 15 pounds or whatever.
There is a flipside too and that is guys that cut so much weight, then blow up 20 pounds or whatever, it isn't always a big benifit to them. Often times they may end up having stamina problems or whatever. It's not healthy. They'll eventually pay for it. Chavez can get away it because he's young but really soon his body wont allow him to keep doing this, he'll be forced to fight at 168/175 where he'll have no career.
There is a flipside too and that is guys that cut so much weight, then blow up 20 pounds or whatever, it isn't always a big benifit to them. Often times they may end up having stamina problems or whatever. It's not healthy. They'll eventually pay for it. Chavez can get away it because he's young but really soon his body wont allow him to keep doing this, he'll be forced to fight at 168/175 where he'll have no career.
Yea it really aint no real way to perfect the problem. Peopl go for different belts in different classes all the time and like u said if they can make weight then its all good. I just hate when they put on hella weight to get an advantage at fight time. U are right though that it isnt always an advantage and thats what I tried to tell Lamberto also. Got Em!!