Obama's pastor....what did he say that was so wrong?

[2-0-Sixx]

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."​

True, true and true. And not much different then when Malcolm X once said the same thing (chickens coming home to roost) in response to JFK getting killed, which was much more insensitive.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."​

I would actually respect Obama much more if he publicly stated he agrees with his views. The man is right, like it or not. Why people are getting their panties in a bunch is beyond me, the man was speaking the truth. And if Obama really does agree with this stuff (which I doubt he does) that would be beneficial to society, as he would truly care about the lower classes in America and try to create change that benefits us as a whole, as well as change the foreign policy that is so destructive.

Now of course, I'm not asking whether or not we should support Obama, the man is a fraud, and I know nothing about his ex-pastor, but I'm curious as to what the big deal is over his statements (I understand why media pundits are discussing this, but to the average person, whats the big deal?).

 

[ColdBlooded]

He makes white people remember Obama is Black.

Clinton has been pushing this since S.C. and if your only objective is to win at all costs it is an effective strategy. Especially in states like Ohio and Penn. The "North" gets off easy on the whole racism thing and the "South" takes the burden for the country as a whole.

Obama said it in his own speech talking about his grandma and how she was there to raise him, but still feared black men and used racist terms for black people. That's the type of person that this strategy works on.

I've heard people with half black half white grandchildren talkin bout nigger this and nigger that. Works wonders on those people.

Clinton is supposed to be a tolerant democrat so she can't come out and literally say "I may be a woman, but you might have noticed that my opponent is BLACK! And dispite being a woman, at least I'm white. I mean you don't want a nigger running the country do you?". So they do the Jesse Jackson thing and they do the bring up the pastor thing, etc, etc.

It may be unfortunate, but it is successful politics in the U.S.A.

 

[MaddDogg]

Here are some qoutes from his speech:

But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America – to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

For the African-American community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims of our past. It means continuing to insist on a full measure of justice in every aspect of American life. But it also means binding our particular grievances – for better health care, and better schools, and better jobs - to the larger aspirations of all Americans -- the white woman struggling to break the glass ceiling, the white man whose been laid off, the immigrant trying to feed his family. And it means taking full responsibility for own lives – by demanding more from our fathers, and spending more time with our children, and reading to them, and teaching them that while they may face challenges and discrimination in their own lives, they must never succumb to despair or cynicism; they must always believe that they can write their own destiny.

Ironically, this quintessentially American – and yes, conservative – notion of self-help found frequent expression in Reverend Wright’s sermons. But what my former pastor too often failed to understand is that embarking on a program of self-help also requires a belief that society can change.

The profound mistake of Reverend Wright’s sermons is not that he spoke about racism in our society. It’s that he spoke as if our society was static; as if no progress has been made; as if this country – a country that has made it possible for one of his own members to run for the highest office in the land and build a coalition of white and black; Latino and Asian, rich and poor, young and old -- is still irrevocably bound to a tragic past. But what we know -- what we have seen – is that America can change. That is true genius of this nation. What we have already achieved gives us hope – the audacity to hope – for what we can and must achieve tomorrow.

 

[taetae]

206 - for what reasons do you think obama is a fraud?

 

[The Duke of Earl]

i have to agree what the hell is so wrong about what he said

 

[XxtraMannish]

i have to agree what the hell is so wrong about what he said

"You wanna scare white people? Make a movie called Nigga Wit A Brain!" - Paul Mooney

 

[Dark Shadow]

i think its more of how he said it that people are offended by it

 

[m.w.merlino]

At heart I think Obama believes what the pastor said, and to get into a position of power and act on those beliefs he has to distance himself from the statements made.

 

[Blazelazy]

On Tv OBAMA SAID HE WUZ MUSLIM...

 

[Formaldehyde Rx]

^
When?

 

[Rasan]

He makes white people remember Obama is Black.

same thing i told the wife. now he look like a real black man now lol
and they knew about his pastor since 07, they were just waiting for the good time to pull the trigger. and i agree with 20sixx, obama shows me he is disloyal by not standing by his preacher and lying that he never heard his pastor preached messages like that. I mean one of the mans sermon's was about how white america was upset that a fellow member of his congregation who has been there for 20 years for running for president and that he was his pastor. c'mon man! man up!
most of the backlash is from fox news though.

 

[|GOD|||ZILLA|]

shit.. them two youtube videos i posted in the other thread would be perfect here.

 

[basment-music]

:knockout:

On Tv OBAMA SAID HE WUZ MUSLIM...

Even if he was Muslim, does that matter? Did europeans not flee to this country because or religious persecution. This country is one huge contradiction. Because a few muslim extremists are terrorists, it make a whole religion condemned. He would still be getting my donations and my vote if he was an orange buddhist.

 

[phil]

i dont see anything wrong with what he said. but barak is feeling the same type pressure jesse jacksons shakedown victims have felt over the years. too bad it had to come back and bite him instead of hillary. this is the same type of bullshit jesse jackson and his allies spew trying to paint people as racists. same shit.

 

[Dhadnot]

i dont see anything wrong with what he said. but barak is feeling the same type pressure jesse jacksons shakedown victims have felt over the years. too bad it had to come back and bite him instead of hillary. this is the same type of bullshit jesse jackson and his allies spew trying to paint people as racists. same shit.

how so? examples?

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

how so? examples?

Jesse Jackson's modus operandi has always been ambulance chasing whenever a race-based issue surfaces and using it to promote his own agenda.

 

[Sergeant Hustle]

Obama has really kept it real up until now. I'm kinda bummed he hasn't gone harder to support his Reverend because nothing he said was "racist against white people". I get that he has to smooth shit over, but it worries me that it's that easy for him to skate on his loyalties to dude because a few white folks are looking for a reason to make him an angry black man.

 

[phil]

not just jesse jackson but his allies and the media as well. quite sad.

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

Obama has really kept it real up until now. I'm kinda bummed he hasn't gone harder to support his Reverend because nothing he said was "racist against white people". I get that he has to smooth shit over, but it worries me that it's that easy for him to skate on his loyalties to dude because a few white folks are looking for a reason to make him an angry black man.

Im surprised that people are making such a big deal over the fact that he did smooth over what his pastor said.

Its election year. He's trying to get elected. If a controversy arises, you attempt to squash it.

Just like any other successful black person in the public eye, the black community is on a hunt to revoke his 'black' credentials, and this is the 'disloyalty' sign that the black community has been looking for.

 

[Dhadnot]

Jesse Jackson's modus operandi has always been ambulance chasing whenever a race-based issue surfaces and using it to promote his own agenda.

that's different from what phil originally said.