Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito II
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Yep, margarito couldn't miss, landed every shot
Like I said cotto was boxing good early on, just couldn't keep it up entire fight. Again I'm not saying he is whitaker or bernard hopkins, but he has decent enough defense. Definitely better than margarito who has literally none. Cotto is a boxer-puncher, he's not just some straight head first brawler, he's a thinker in the ring.
Like I said cotto was boxing good early on, just couldn't keep it up entire fight. Again I'm not saying he is whitaker or bernard hopkins, but he has decent enough defense. Definitely better than margarito who has literally none. Cotto is a boxer-puncher, he's not just some straight head first brawler, he's a thinker in the ring.
david diaz hadn't lost in several years, beating Erik Morales, etc.
Marquez was coming off dominating performances over rocky Juarez, Barrera, Jaca & Kokietgym.
oscar was coming off a win over forbes and a semi-close fight with floyd.
hatton was coming off wins over Lazcano & Malignaggi
Clottey was coming off wins over Zab Judah, Cruz and a close loss to Cotto.
Cotto was coming off a close win over Clottey.
Marquez was coming off dominating performances over rocky Juarez, Barrera, Jaca & Kokietgym.
oscar was coming off a win over forbes and a semi-close fight with floyd.
hatton was coming off wins over Lazcano & Malignaggi
Clottey was coming off wins over Zab Judah, Cruz and a close loss to Cotto.
Cotto was coming off a close win over Clottey.
David diaz was a bum!!!
Many think marquez beat pac!
Osacar coming off a loss to floyd, and he was clearly shot when he fought forbes, he got hit too many times!! u noe that tho! oscar was drainded to 144 and he is no bernrd hopkins, he was an old man!!!
Hatton beat lazcano and malignaggi, but lazcano tapped hattons ass for a few rounds, and PAULLIE???? u serious!!!! We both noe that was garbage!!!!
U make an acceptable case for clottey, But he fought a struggling judah!
And as for cotto u lose!!!
Still havent named a fighter who was at an elite level and was coming off a GREAT performance!!! not a close win or close loss!!!
Many think marquez beat pac!
Osacar coming off a loss to floyd, and he was clearly shot when he fought forbes, he got hit too many times!! u noe that tho! oscar was drainded to 144 and he is no bernrd hopkins, he was an old man!!!
Hatton beat lazcano and malignaggi, but lazcano tapped hattons ass for a few rounds, and PAULLIE???? u serious!!!! We both noe that was garbage!!!!
U make an acceptable case for clottey, But he fought a struggling judah!
And as for cotto u lose!!!
Still havent named a fighter who was at an elite level and was coming off a GREAT performance!!! not a close win or close loss!!!
He was a title holder at 135 and pac was moving up from 130. It served it's purpose well, which was to see how Pac could handle the extra weight.
Ok, you asked a question and I provided answers...
Drained at 144? You just making up weights now? The fight was not a catchweight fight, it was a weltereweight fight at 147. Was he drained? Yeah probably. Still a big risk on Pac's part though. Remember people thought Pac was going to get KO'd moving up from 130/135 and fighitng oscar at 147. Pac was a huge underdog. Those are facts. Again, it's not pac's fault oscar looked like shit. Oscar was the one that challenged pacquiao, oscar was the one that said 'lets fight at 147' pac didn't demand anything. He just went up and fought him and beat his ass.
Again you asked questions and I answered. Say what you will about Paulie but he's a good boxer. Hatton was the first person to stop him. Something Miguel Cotto couldn't even do, so that says something.
now what's wrong with the judah win? I see what's going on here, you got that bigface mentality trying to discredit EVERY SINGLE THING. Clottey whooped Judah's ass. Clottey hadn't lost a fight in years. He was the top welterweight availible when pac fought him. Can't discredit that, clottey was a solid first defense of pac's title any way you look at it.
marquez and Barrera weren't elite fights? ok. Hatton was the lineal champ at 140, his natural weight. Clottey is an elite fighter and so is cotto. Not sure what else you want. I mean if you want to nit pick guys resumes you can do that to anyone. You could do the same to floyd (Marquez coming up two weight classes, lost to pac, hatton coming up one weight class, oscar one fight in 3 years after KO loss to hopkins, Balidmor - don't need to say anything there, Judah coming off loss to Balidmor, Sharmba Mitchell lol, Gatti shot, Bruseles bum).
Let's do it to sergio martinez who was last years fighter of the year - pavlik was alchoholic, got raped by hopkins, p-will has no defense, Dzinziruk protected euro bum), etc.
If you really want you can nitpick and hate on everyone's resume. From Ali to ray Leonard to Floyd to Pac. Haters gonna hate.
Ok, you asked a question and I provided answers...
Drained at 144? You just making up weights now? The fight was not a catchweight fight, it was a weltereweight fight at 147. Was he drained? Yeah probably. Still a big risk on Pac's part though. Remember people thought Pac was going to get KO'd moving up from 130/135 and fighitng oscar at 147. Pac was a huge underdog. Those are facts. Again, it's not pac's fault oscar looked like shit. Oscar was the one that challenged pacquiao, oscar was the one that said 'lets fight at 147' pac didn't demand anything. He just went up and fought him and beat his ass.
Again you asked questions and I answered. Say what you will about Paulie but he's a good boxer. Hatton was the first person to stop him. Something Miguel Cotto couldn't even do, so that says something.
now what's wrong with the judah win? I see what's going on here, you got that bigface mentality trying to discredit EVERY SINGLE THING. Clottey whooped Judah's ass. Clottey hadn't lost a fight in years. He was the top welterweight availible when pac fought him. Can't discredit that, clottey was a solid first defense of pac's title any way you look at it.
marquez and Barrera weren't elite fights? ok. Hatton was the lineal champ at 140, his natural weight. Clottey is an elite fighter and so is cotto. Not sure what else you want. I mean if you want to nit pick guys resumes you can do that to anyone. You could do the same to floyd (Marquez coming up two weight classes, lost to pac, hatton coming up one weight class, oscar one fight in 3 years after KO loss to hopkins, Balidmor - don't need to say anything there, Judah coming off loss to Balidmor, Sharmba Mitchell lol, Gatti shot, Bruseles bum).
Let's do it to sergio martinez who was last years fighter of the year - pavlik was alchoholic, got raped by hopkins, p-will has no defense, Dzinziruk protected euro bum), etc.
If you really want you can nitpick and hate on everyone's resume. From Ali to ray Leonard to Floyd to Pac. Haters gonna hate.
Dookie1- you already know the answer to the question. Manny will only fight you after you got your ass beat. Then all of his fans hype up the win like he's beating some elite fighter in there prime. He's been making a name for himself fighting nothing but weight drained shot named fighters and Mayweather leftovers.
206-How can I discredit Manny by telling the truth? Catch weight Maragarito 150lb and Cotto 145Lb. Mayweather leftovers- Oscar, Hatton, and now Mosley. I'm just pointing out facts about Manny.
206-How can I discredit Manny by telling the truth? Catch weight Maragarito 150lb and Cotto 145Lb. Mayweather leftovers- Oscar, Hatton, and now Mosley. I'm just pointing out facts about Manny.
too bad floyd wont fill the void huh? I guess floyd is having too much fun with his new Soda company, who cares about boxing?
I mean if you're Pac trying to make money there aren't too many names at 147 right now when the biggest attraction isn't even in the sport at the moment, these are the top guys:
Mayweather (M.I.A)
Shane Mosley (check)
Jan Zaveck (who?)
Joshua Clottey (check)
Vyacheslav Senchenko (who?)
Andre Berto (could be a future option if he beats ortiz impressively)
Rafal Jackiewicz (who?)
Timothy Bradley (fighting Khan in Nov)
Mike Jones (whoooooo?)
Of course he could go to 140 and beat up those guys but he wouldn't get any credit for KO'ing Maidana, Bradley or Alexander.
So my question is, who should pac be fighting? All you two do is make excuse about his opponents after he beats them, well what about the guys listed above? Not a very impressive list if you're trying to sell a PPV. Mosley is known, Margarito is known, Jan Zaveck?? Rafal Jackiewicz?? 550 ticket selling Andre Berto in his hometown??
I mean if you're Pac trying to make money there aren't too many names at 147 right now when the biggest attraction isn't even in the sport at the moment, these are the top guys:
Mayweather (M.I.A)
Shane Mosley (check)
Jan Zaveck (who?)
Joshua Clottey (check)
Vyacheslav Senchenko (who?)
Andre Berto (could be a future option if he beats ortiz impressively)
Rafal Jackiewicz (who?)
Timothy Bradley (fighting Khan in Nov)
Mike Jones (whoooooo?)
Of course he could go to 140 and beat up those guys but he wouldn't get any credit for KO'ing Maidana, Bradley or Alexander.
So my question is, who should pac be fighting? All you two do is make excuse about his opponents after he beats them, well what about the guys listed above? Not a very impressive list if you're trying to sell a PPV. Mosley is known, Margarito is known, Jan Zaveck?? Rafal Jackiewicz?? 550 ticket selling Andre Berto in his hometown??
Hard to please bigface.
Your examples of top caliber opponents are in fact not even top caliber. They are just young kids who are up and coming in the game, who are still trying to make it. Canello, Berto, etc.
Maybe you should participate in the sport and realize how difficult it is. David Diaz was one of the best in his division and you waive it off like "ehh, what a bum". Why? Because he isn't the top 5 best fighters of all time?
Cotto is one of the best fighters in that division. He may be a little rusty but his movement is there. His footwork is better than it has ever been. His power is there. The guy is a solid boxer. It's one thing to not be a fan, but to completely write him off as useless is way over the top.
Your examples of top caliber opponents are in fact not even top caliber. They are just young kids who are up and coming in the game, who are still trying to make it. Canello, Berto, etc.
Maybe you should participate in the sport and realize how difficult it is. David Diaz was one of the best in his division and you waive it off like "ehh, what a bum". Why? Because he isn't the top 5 best fighters of all time?
Cotto is one of the best fighters in that division. He may be a little rusty but his movement is there. His footwork is better than it has ever been. His power is there. The guy is a solid boxer. It's one thing to not be a fan, but to completely write him off as useless is way over the top.
and The Ring currently has Cotto as the #1 LMW. Pretty impressive for a "shot" fighter, but then again, I respect bigface's opinion much more than I do The Ring, who have only been doing this since 1922!
#1
Miguel Cotto
Country: Puerto Rico
Record: 36-2-0 (29 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 1 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 41
Title: WBA
#2
Kermit Cintron
Country: USA
Record: 32-2-0 (28 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 1 | Weeks On List: 94
#3
Alfredo Angulo
Country:
Record: 19-1-0 (16 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 77
#4
Ryan Rhodes
Country: United Kingdom
Record: 43-4-0 (29 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 4 | Last Week: 4 | Weeks On List: 73
#5
Sechew Powell
Country: USA
Record: 26-2-0 (15 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 5 | Last Week: 5 | Weeks On List: 52
#6
Vanes Martirosyan
Country: USA
Record: 28-0-0 (17 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 6 | Last Week: 7 | Weeks On List: 66
#7
Pawel Wolak
Country: USA (from Poland)
Record: 29-1-0 (19 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 7 | Last Week: NR | Weeks On List: 1
#8
Sergei Dzinziruk
Country: Ukraine
Record: 37-1-0 (23 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 44
WBO
#9
Saul Alvarez
Country: Mexico
Record: 36-0-1 (26 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 9 | Last Week: 9 | Weeks On List: 17
#10lius Bundrage
Country: USA
Record: 30-4-0 (18 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: 10 | Weeks On List: 32
Title: IBF
#1
Miguel Cotto
Country: Puerto Rico
Record: 36-2-0 (29 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 1 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 41
Title: WBA
#2
Kermit Cintron
Country: USA
Record: 32-2-0 (28 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 1 | Weeks On List: 94
#3
Alfredo Angulo
Country:
Record: 19-1-0 (16 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 2 | Last Week: 3 | Weeks On List: 77
#4
Ryan Rhodes
Country: United Kingdom
Record: 43-4-0 (29 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 4 | Last Week: 4 | Weeks On List: 73
#5
Sechew Powell
Country: USA
Record: 26-2-0 (15 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 5 | Last Week: 5 | Weeks On List: 52
#6
Vanes Martirosyan
Country: USA
Record: 28-0-0 (17 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 6 | Last Week: 7 | Weeks On List: 66
#7
Pawel Wolak
Country: USA (from Poland)
Record: 29-1-0 (19 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 7 | Last Week: NR | Weeks On List: 1
#8
Sergei Dzinziruk
Country: Ukraine
Record: 37-1-0 (23 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 8 | Last Week: 8 | Weeks On List: 44
WBO
#9
Saul Alvarez
Country: Mexico
Record: 36-0-1 (26 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 9 | Last Week: 9 | Weeks On List: 17
#10lius Bundrage
Country: USA
Record: 30-4-0 (18 KOs)
Ranking: This Week: 10 | Last Week: 10 | Weeks On List: 32
Title: IBF
The Malignaggi fight was realistically one of the most impressive performances that Hatton put on in his career after an embarrassing fight against Lazcano. Using hindsight to discredit people is what's wack. Hatton Vs. Malignaggi was #1 fighting #2 in at 140lbs at the time the fight took place and it was for Hatton's LINEAL JWW title, not a bullshit random ass title. Those are facts.
It's sad every thread gets turned into this on almost every website no matter which fight the thread is about.
.. and I'm picking Cotto to win for whatever it's worth.
It's sad every thread gets turned into this on almost every website no matter which fight the thread is about.
.. and I'm picking Cotto to win for whatever it's worth.
I was thinking the same thing when I posted that. He deserves credit, he has a legit belt. He should at least be ranked higher than Canelo. He worked hard for his title.
On top of that you really got to respect K9, he's calling out Sergio Martinez (as of today) and wants to be the opponent in July. That's a real man right there. (although I was and still am hoping for a K9 vs Lara fight).
No more Pacquiao talk dookie/bigface, I wont engage and ruin another thread. This is about Cotto-margarito. Random pac discrediting should go to the general boxing thread.
On top of that you really got to respect K9, he's calling out Sergio Martinez (as of today) and wants to be the opponent in July. That's a real man right there. (although I was and still am hoping for a K9 vs Lara fight).
No more Pacquiao talk dookie/bigface, I wont engage and ruin another thread. This is about Cotto-margarito. Random pac discrediting should go to the general boxing thread.