Hurled bricks, threats surround health overhaul

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Hurled bricks, threats surround health overhaul
EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS
Associated Press Writer

Unrest over sweeping federal health care legislation has turned to vandalism and threats, with bricks hurled through Democrats' windows, a propane line cut at the home of a congressman's brother and menacing phone messages left for lawmakers who supported the bill.

The FBI is investigating the instances, which include shattered windows at four Democratic offices in New York, Arizona and Kansas. At least 10 members of Congress have reported some sort of threat as of Wednesday, and no arrests have been made.

The brick flung through the window of a county Democratic Party office in Rochester, N.Y., over the weekend had a note attached: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice," roughly quoting 1964 Republican presidential nominee Barry Goldwater.

A New York congresswoman whose office window also was smashed with a brick accused the Republican leadership of failing to denounce attacks against lawmakers who supported the legislation. The vandalism was at Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter's district office in Niagara Falls early Friday, two days before the House passed the health care overhaul bill.

"It's more disturbing to me that Republican leadership has not condemned these attacks and instead appears to be fanning the flames with coded rhetoric," said Slaughter, a key supporter of the bill.

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that while many Americans are angry over the bill's passage, "violence and threats are unacceptable."

"That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change."

The FBI and Capitol Police were briefing Democratic lawmakers on how to handle perceived security threats, said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md. Those who feel they are at risk will be "getting attention from the proper authorities," Hoyer said, declining to say whether any are receiving extra security. Normally only those in leadership positions have personal security guards.

At a news conference in Washington, Hoyer said people have yelled that Democratic lawmakers should be put on firing lines and posters have appeared with the faces of lawmakers in the cross hairs of a target.

While not directly criticizing Republicans, Hoyer said that "any show of appreciation for such actions encourages such action."

Gun imagery was used in a posting on the Facebook page of Sarah Palin urging people to organize against 20 House Democrats who voted for the health care bill and whose districts went for the John McCain-Palin ticket two years ago. Palin's post featured a U.S. map with circles and cross hairs over the 20 districts.

Some of the anger over the bill spilled over in a flood of obscenity and threat-filled phone and fax messages to the office of Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich. His office released some of the messages it has received since the health care bill passed, declining to add further comment.

"I hope you bleed ... (get) cancer and die," one male caller told the congressman between curses.

A fax with the title "Defecating on Stupak" carried a picture of a gallows with "Bart (SS) Stupak" on it and a noose attached. It was captioned, "All Baby Killers come to unseemly ends Either by the hand of man or by the hand of God."

The vandalism and threats surprised a researcher at a think tank that monitors extremist groups.

"I think it is astounding that we are seeing this wave of vigilantism," said Mark Potok of the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

In Virginia, someone cut a propane line leading to a grill at the Charlottesville home of U.S. Rep. Tom Perriello's brother after the address was posted online by activists angry about the health care overhaul. Perriello also said a threatening letter was sent to his brother's house. The FBI and local authorities were investigating.

Tea party activists had posted the brother's address online thinking it was the congressman's home. The post urged opponents to drop by and "express their thanks" for the Democrat's vote in favor of the sweeping health care reform.

Nigel Coleman, chairman of the Danville Tea Party, said he re-posted the comment that originated on another conservative blog, including the address, Monday on his Facebook page. The posts were taken down after the mistake was discovered.

"We've never been associated with any violence or any vandalism," he said. "We're definitely sorry that we posted the incorrect address."

Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, who has filed a lawsuit challenging the health care overhaul and is a favorite of the Tea Party, said for activists to post an address of Perriello's family shows that things are going too far.

"That is way over the line," he said. "It's not civil discourse, it's an invitation to intimidation and it's totally unacceptable."

Potok compared the online posting of a public official's address to tactics used by hate groups.

"This is what neo Nazi leaders in America do today," Potok said. "They post personal information about their enemies and sit back and wait for somebody else to act."

Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party in Wichita, Kan., said a brick was hurled through the party's storefront plate glass window late Friday or early Saturday, landing in her office and gouging her wooden desk.

She said that written in marker on the brick were the slogans, "No to Obama" and "No Obamycare."

"The tone is not surprising, but the aggressiveness is," Stauble said Wednesday. "I'm not shocked that people are not reacting well to a large piece of legislation passed by a president that they don't like."

In Tucson, Ariz., someone either kicked in or shot out a glass door and a side window at the congressional office of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords early Monday, a few hours after the House health care vote. Giffords voted for the bill.

Giffords' press secretary C.J. Karamargin in Tucson said the vandalism left the local congressional staff shaken and worried.

http://ap.onlineathens.com/pstories/20100324/595804334.shtml
 
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bring it on, i cant wait for this state to crumble.

itd be smart to stock up on fishing/hunting gear, a tent, a great sleeping bag, some canned food, and a Survival in the wild book or two.

and if youre from a broken city like mine (detroit), u better also scout out where ud go with all your gear when shit does fall.

EDIT: youd want to go to higher elevations/mountains(far away from the city), but make sure you have a water source nearby. Luckily for me, michigan is still 52% forested and i have all the lakes to drink n fish from. The snow will kill u tho.

if you plan on staying in the city, better get your ass a gas mask like i did. I also got a lock pick set, some ninja stars, a "universal" handcuff key, and a bunch of other things.
im not paranoid but this world is fucked up and now i can live easy knowin that for the next 60 years i could take care of myself.
 
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bring it on, i cant wait for this state to crumble.

itd be smart to stock up on fishing/hunting gear, a tent, a great sleeping bag, some canned food, and a Survival in the wild book or two.

and if youre from a broken city like mine (detroit), u better also scout out where ud go with all your gear when shit does fall.

EDIT: youd want to go to higher elevations/mountains(far away from the city), but make sure you have a water source nearby. Luckily for me, michigan is still 52% forested and i have all the lakes to drink n fish from. The snow will kill u tho.

if you plan on staying in the city, better get your ass a gas mask like i did. I also got a lock pick set, some ninja stars, a "universal" handcuff key, and a bunch of other things.
im not paranoid but this world is fucked up and now i can live easy knowin that for the next 60 years i could take care of myself.

I have a pretty sweet BOB if SHTF....lol
 
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lmao , i also always refer to it as "when shit hits the fan"

im glad tho bro keep edumacating yourself on where to get water from if theres none around, practice startin a fire, get a flint or two just incase u cant the first 2 weeks of being alone.
 
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good lookin out, i have around 7 different survival handbooks, my favorite by Les Stroud of survivorman since he expands on experiences by tellin stories of why one should do one thing and not the other.
the last few pages are blank and say "Fire starter" on them lol.

i need to get a waterproof book or should waterproof it myself.


damn tho bro im glad im not the only one lookin into all these things.
 
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I haven't seen Les Stroud's book. I am gonna have to check that one out.


I really like (or the updated version)


thats a very good book.
i bought the big one n stole the little version of it.

honestly tho, lookin around my room i see buddha statues and over 300 books on all sorts of things.
I think im about to clean out my life and replace the buddhas with canned food , more arrows for my compound bow and and some strings for my two long bows.

i really need to invest in a rifle tho, no guns at this house.
 
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Guns are a tough one because each type has it's strengths and weaknesses depending on the situation.

Shotguns are extremely versatile and give you the best weapon for killing one of the most abundant food sources (birds) and they are extremely effective in close hand to hand combat. However, they have the heaviest bulkiest ammo and are not very effective at long ranges.

Rifles are better at long ranges, but they won't give you as much access to the abundant/easy/good sized source of food in birds and the ammo is still heavy and expensive.

You could go .22 and carry tons of cheap ammo, but a .22 is not very effective in self defense nor hunting.

Pistols are good for carrying and in close range combat, but not very effective for hunting. The ammo is a between .22 and a rifle (.223, 7.62, 30-06, etc) as far as price, size, power.



If I had to pick one I would go shotgun. Tough call though.
 
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^ i agree that its tough but im lookin to headshot in close ranges with a rifle and hunt big animals like deer from far away.

one thing i dont want to do is become a gun collector
 
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The thing about hunting deer or something similar in size is that you may go weeks without seeing one and if you do kill one you need have a way to preserve the meat or you will waste the majority of it.

I don't know if you have ever been deer hunting before but I can tell you that I have gone out for over a week without even seeing one and I worry that the population will decrease extremely rapidly in any SHTF scenario as everyone will be hunting for their own food all of a sudden.

Similar to what we saw with indigenous animal populations in America as settlers moved West.
 
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deers are rampant here in michigan, and im gonna get some deer lure.
about the perservation of meat, im attempting to learn to smoke the meat myself.
never attempted to yet as i live in the city.

i guess a rifle and a pistol vs a shotgun is the way to go.

but dont overlook the importance of bows because once u run out of bullets all u have is somethin to throw or hit with.
 
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John Boehner of Ohio said in a statement that while many Americans are angry over the bill's passage, "violence and threats are unacceptable."

"That's not the American way," Boehner said. "We need to take that anger and channel it into positive change."
hehhehehehehheheh Boehner hehehehe heheheh hehe


 
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All of you cheerleaders for this type of shit don't realize that these nuts that are trying to 'take down the gov't' you must understand YOU ARE NOT IN THE CLUB--These are guns and land miltia's and I have a feeling 95% of peeps on this board would not benefit one iota of these 'oath keepers' 'teabaggers' 'birthers' or whatever.....

What we will see more of is McVeigh type miltia's popping up, which is really scary, IMO