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Oscar lost all his biggest fights you could argue (except Trinidad really) but how many "big" fights did Tito have except Vargas? Joppy isn't a big fight. Oba Carr isn't a big fight by any means. Mayorga certainly isn't.
All of Tito's fights were big.

56-0 Yori Boy Campas was a big fight. Sold out event:



Whitaker was big. Oscar was big. Camacho was big. Vargas was big.

But big fights or not, point is Trinidad fought better opponents than Marquez. His resume is better.

As for Joppy, he wasn't a great fighter but he was a durable champ. My point bringing up Joppy is he's of equal value to Juan Diaz, who is one of the top Marquez victories! No one would ever say Joppy was Tito's 2nd or 3rd best win. See what I'm saying? After Pacquiao, what does Marquez have? Juan Diaz, old Casamayor.

Back to Joppy, yeah he beat an undefeated Eastman who was another one of those tough durable guys. Nobody hurt Joppy the way Trinidad destroyed him. That was a statement fight. Joppy was a middleweight title holder who again, was a tough fighter and very durable. For Tito to do that in his first fight at 160 was a big statement. Joppy only got stopped 10 years later because he needed the money (against Lucien Bootay). That was it though. Again, Joppy isn't some awesome fighter, but he's no less better than Juan Diaz, who again is JMM's 2nd or 3rd best win of his career (which speaks volumes).
 

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I don't mean big in terms of people watching or attending. He was CRAZY popular as most Puerto Rican champs are. All of Mayweather's fights are events basically at this point whether his opponents stand a chance or not. In hindsight, Diaz wasn't very good. But even in the loss, that was a hugely anticipated fight and a lot of people were picking Diaz even after the loss to Campbell. For as high as you were on Bhop's win over Cloud because he nullified his offense, Marquez both did that but fought Diaz's fight and knocked him out when people were suggesting that Marquez was getting too old to fight a young gun like that.

Oba Carr was actually pretty good back in the day and I thought he had a good chance to beat DLH. But I would still say an older Barrera is better than Oba Carr. Campas sucks, don't even bring him into the conversation. He had some good wins here and there (I had to look it up to be honest, couldn't remember since he had like 17,000 fights) but before he fought Trinidad, he beat NO ONE but tomato cans. His previous 5 opponents before Tito had records of 15-16, 50-12, 24-4, 13-14, 11-9. Same for Oba Carr actually, his previous 7 were worse.
 

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I'm going by what I have seen canelo do in the ring with my own eyes. Much like your eyes telling you broner will be great even though he hasn't really fought any top 10 fighters. Also I wonder what you will say when Canelo drops trout and then May starts ducking come september? Got Em!
Dude atleast Broner beat the best guy in his weight class! Canelo hasnt even fought anyone in his own weight class lol. He fights smaller guys. Also I never said Broner was better than Mayweather either lol. Dude u just on one but do what u do. Got Em!!
 
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I don't mean big in terms of people watching or attending. He was CRAZY popular as most Puerto Rican champs are. All of Mayweather's fights are events basically at this point whether his opponents stand a chance or not. In hindsight, Diaz wasn't very good. But even in the loss, that was a hugely anticipated fight and a lot of people were picking Diaz even after the loss to Campbell. For as high as you were on Bhop's win over Cloud because he nullified his offense, Marquez both did that but fought Diaz's fight and knocked him out when people were suggesting that Marquez was getting too old to fight a young gun like that.

Oba Carr was actually pretty good back in the day and I thought he had a good chance to beat DLH. But I would still say an older Barrera is better than Oba Carr. Campas sucks, don't even bring him into the conversation. He had some good wins here and there (I had to look it up to be honest, couldn't remember since he had like 17,000 fights) but before he fought Trinidad, he beat NO ONE but tomato cans. His previous 5 opponents before Tito had records of 15-16, 50-12, 24-4, 13-14, 11-9. Same for Oba Carr actually, his previous 7 were worse.
Ok my thing here is you're ignoring my point about how Marquez really doesn't have that good of a resume after Pacquiao. If Juan Diaz, shot Barrera and Casa are being brought up its no comparison. Undefeated Vargas at his absolute peak is a better win than anyone on Juan's outside of Pacquiao. We can keep going over the names but there really is no comparison. 40-0 before he finally lost to Hopkins and fought and beat top opponents in those three weight classes on the way.

Also, all these guys Tito was beating were top 10 fighters. Yori Boy was #6 at WW at the time Tito fought him. Maurice Blocker was #3. Larry Barnes #9. Camacho was #10. Obar Car was #5. Whitaker #5. And Oscar #1. So, during that time he fought and beat all the top guys at WW.

Then at 154 he fought the #2 guy, undefeated David Reid, then the #1 guy in Vargas.

Say what you want about Joppy but he was the #2 ranked MW, only behind Hopkins when Tito fought him.
 
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Oscar de la hoya obviously. Now I know it's debated but some people thought Tito won and Oscar gave the last few rounds away by running.

I would say an undefeated Obar Carr and undefeated Campas were very good wins (better than Juan Diaz that's for sure) and Reid, Joppy, followed by the older guys Whitaker & Camacho.
 
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Schaefer Talks Fox Deal, Golden Goals, Double Standards

by Rick Reeno

Earlier this week, Golden Boy Promotions and Fox Sports announced the finalization of a multi-media rights extension to televise live boxing in the United States and internationally. As part of that multi-year agreement, Golden Boy will establish a new Monday night boxing franchise on Fox Sports 1 [FS1], Fox Sports' new, national multi-sport cable channel launching on August 17the.

Under the new agreement, Fox Sports retains exclusive domestic rights to 48 live two-hour events (featuring two or three fights per event) annually. FS1 is scheduling 24 live events per year, with Fox Deportes, the nation's leading Spanish-language sports network, airing all 48 events live, an increase from 36 in the previous deal. The 24 events on FS1 will all originate in the United States, and most are expected to run on Monday nights once the network launches. Fox Deportes will simulcast the same 24 events as FS1 in Spanish, plus air 24 others that originate from Mexico. The FS1 events will also be available for presentations on Fox Sports regional networks and Fox International Channels

The Fox agreement comes only a few weeks after HBO made an internal decision to sever their business relationship with Golden Boy.
BoxingScene.com sat down with Golden Boy's CEO, Richard Schaefer, to discuss the new agreement with Fox, the new Monday night series on FS1, and several side topics.
BoxingScene.com: Everyone has heard about the new television agreement with Fox. Discuss what this deal means.
Schaefer: I think it is the most important deal that we've concluded as a company since we've been formed. I think this is a deal that will showcase the top emerging talent, so this is not just going to be some series that is pushed into the wee hours when most people are asleep or a timeslot that is not attractive to sponsors and viewers. This is a primetime series consisting of 24 originally produced live events, from the United States, on the Sports 1 network, which is [going to be one of the] largest cable outlets in the history of sports. [The network is] going to go live on August the 17th. [The channel] will be available in 90 million homes.

To compare, if you are going to have primetime exposure and we're talking about Monday nights - which is a great TV night. It is one reasons we have Monday Night Football, it's just a great TV night. And now we have a primetime designated slot. And by the way, when there is Monday night football we have the option of potentially changing to Tuesday nights. To have [a deal like this in place] is exactly what the sport of boxing needed.
BoxingScene.com: How does this series differ from the events being televised on HBO and Showtime?

Schaefer: As good as Showtime is, and the as good as HBO is, they are really not in the business of building up young fighters. When we have a fighter on an undercard, it is hard to build up a fan following without having those eyeballs. So when a fighter does finally get onto Showtime or HBO, because of his potential, they are usually unknown because nobody has seen them before and there is no name recognition. And I think this is the reason why UFC has been so successful, because they have that open platform for those fighters who later became stars within the UFC. And boxing has never really had that.

I think that is one of the reasons why there is less of a connection today between the public and the boxers. Not like before when you had Oscar De La Hoya and Sugar Ray Leonard televised on free over the air networks. This is a big thing for us, but this is a bigger thing for the sport of boxing, to have a powerful force like Fox putting their weight behind boxing.
[On Wednesday] I had a long meeting [with Fox] and I was there most of the day. We went through all of the different opportunities and marketing and platforms and so on, and I have to tell you that I've hardly ever been in a meeting with such a large group of people and they were all enthusiastic, excited, coming up with ideas and generally interested in making this [agreement] a homerun. We are totally, totally thrilled and this is very important for us.
BoxingScene.com: Did this agreement come at the right time, considering everything that happened with HBO?

Schaefer: This is not a deal that happened because of HBO. Obviously this is not a deal that gets put together in a matter of ten days. This really had absolutely nothing to do with [what happened with HBO]. Like I always say, I like to make deals, I like to do things strategic. Right now I am working on two other platforms, two other opportunities and these things take time. Besides putting together the matches, I am looking at the strategy on how to move Golden Boy and as a result of that we're moving boxing forward and making it more popular and making it more fan friendly, so we're working non-stop to implement these things to sports fans.
BoxingScene.com: The possibility of working with HBO again.

Schaefer: The HBO situation is what it is. I believe, and not only in boxing but especially in boxing - you never say never. I am convinced that sooner or later cooler minds will prevail and there will be a relationship again, because I respect them and I tend to believe that they respect me as well. Whatever time [period] it is, we'll let the time pass and we'll take it from there.
BoxingScene.com: The strength of the business relationship with Showtime/CBS.

Schaefer: With Showtime, with [sports head] Stephen [Espinoza], [CBS chief] Les Moonves and [Showtime CEO] Matt Blank, we have partners that are absolutely enthusiastic about the sport, go to the events and they embrace it. They realize the opportunity and appreciate the fact that Golden Boy today is without any question - love us or hate us and it doesn't really matter - you can't ignore the fact that Golden Boy is the leading boxing promotion company in the world - be it based on dates, be it based on revenues, be it based on the strength of the talent, be it based on TV revenues, be it based on sponsorships, be it based on tickets sold - whatever formula you want to apply - we are the leading promotional platform and we are going to continue to grow in this business.
We are a young team, and enthusiastic team and we will continue to build the sport and try to bring the greatest matchups to fight fans.
BoxingScene.com: The issue of double standards in boxing.

Schaefer: It is actually interesting when you go and look at some of those matchups [being purchased by HBO from other promoters]. And let's be honest, if some of those fights would have happened or would have been offered in the Ross Greenburg era, and they were put together by Golden Boy - you would have the industry writing stories like there was no tomorrow. Ross would be attacked, Golden Boy would be attacked. It would be ugly out there. I see that not one, and I absolutely mean not one writer or reporter is saying a word.
Rick, I have to tell you honestly that i find it interesting, I find it strange and I find it [to be] double standards. Why that is? And Rick that goes for you as well, I don't understand it.
BoxingScene.com: You know me, I don't add the side commentary to my news briefs. I just report things straight. I'm a reporter, so I just report the information. Even if I think a finalized fight is an absolute mismatch, I usually don't inject those opinions in a new brief. I'm not a columnist. The columnists are usually the writers who inject their opinions, be it positive or negative, regarding a subject.

Schaefer: I'm going to tell you why [this is happening]. I'm going to answer my own question. Why is it, for example, if I were the promoter of [Nonito] Donaire and I was involved with that whole group, and suddenly Victor Conte abruptly resigns - suddenly in the middle of one of the most important training camps for his fighter, and nobody really writes a story about it.
We all know in the industry what was floating around and nobody really wrote anything about it. I think there was one story, on your site, and it was sort of like a politely worded story. Now if that was Golden Boy and their fighter, can you imagine the stories being written with conspiracies and stories about drug testing. The stories would be flying out there like there is no tomorrow. Now you see the double standard.
BoxingScene.com: Why do you believe Golden Boy is such a target?

Schaefer: When you are number one - these things are normal because when you are number one you are always held to higher standards and you are always a target. Because nobody ever goes after number two or number three. When [Golden Boy President] Oscar [De La Hoya] was the best and the most popular fighter in the world, he had his fans but he had a lot of people who were after him and a lot of people who challenged him.
And in a way, because he became the most powerful and the biggest boxing promoter - he has become a target again. People belittle him and attack him, but he knows that goes with the territory. Oscar know that, Floyd Mayweather knows that. Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world so he is a target.
And it does not matter if you are in boxing or whatever business you are in. You are

BoxingScene and you are the number one site and you have a lot of haters out there. If you were one of those little bullsh*t sites, nobody would care about Rick Reeno, nobody would be after you - but because you are number one they go after you - but again that goes with the territory.
That's why I am not surprised about these things, and I don't think it’s the right way to deal with things, but it's okay because it goes with the territory when you are number one.
 
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Alexander vs Brook: Kell Brook injured again, may have to withdraw from May 18 fight



Kell Brook is once again dealing with an injury, and promoter Eddie Hearn has confirmed that the 26-year-old Sheffield native is receiving treatment on his foot, but has not made a statement on the severity of the injury.

There is concern that Brook (29-0, 19 KO) will have to again postpone his fight with Devon Alexander, which is currently scheduled for May 18, its third date of the year. The bout was originally set for January 26, but Brook suffered an ankle injury. Alexander pulled out of the February 23 rescheduled date with an injury of his own. And now, we've got Brook's foot, and yet another possible postponement.

The fight is an IBF mandatory welterweight title bout, with Alexander making his first defense of the belt he won from Randall Bailey last year. Both Alexander and Brook last fought on October 20, with Brook beating Hector Saldivia in the UK, and Alexander outpointing Bailey in Brooklyn on the debut Barclays Center show.
 

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Oscar de la hoya obviously. Now I know it's debated but some people thought Tito won and Oscar gave the last few rounds away by running.

I would say an undefeated Obar Carr and undefeated Campas were very good wins (better than Juan Diaz that's for sure) and Reid, Joppy, followed by the older guys Whitaker & Camacho.
Believe it or not, I disagree lol I think he was getting SCHOOLED by DLH and it was obviously the dumbest plan ever to run for 5 rounds. DLH clearly won the first 7 rounds even though the first barely had any significant punches at all. As gay as it is, DLH won. I can't count that as a win no matter how hard I try. It's like saying Bradley's best win was Pacquiao.

Like I said, have you looked at Carr and Campas's opponents by the time Tito fought them? There's a reason they were undefeated, they hadn't fought anyone. It's like that fool Thadonapahapahoooahaaa that just got taxed by Delvin Rodriguez. He had a good record but hadn't fought anyone.
 
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They were both good fightets though at the time. With Yori you have to keep in mind he turned pro at 15, so of course he fought a lot of bums. People were calling him the next Chavez so that shows what people thought of him at the time. And he ended up knocking down Tito, so he was game early on.
 

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Tito was knocked down like 8 times in his career. But I mean his most recent fights before Tito even. He was comparable to what Chavez was at the 56 fight mark, they'd only fought bums.
 

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I realize that, but just because they were undefeated, that doesn't mean it's a big fight. Neither Carr nor Campas had fought anyone of note and were fighting guys with more losses than wins at times. That was one of the great things about Kostya Tsyzu. He did that a lot less than most fighters. Same for Rigondeaux.Obviously their amateur backgrounds are the reason but there are plenty of guys with good amateur careers that feast on fighting bums for a lot longer.
 
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Well. The P4P ratings don't show that. The PPV numbers don't show that. Floyd getting a mega deal with Showtime doesn't show that. Floyd having fought people who EARNED the right to fight him doesn't show that.
I never said it did, I just stated my opinion. If Canelo ever gets a shot at floyd I think he will back up my statement. I just think Canelo is that good right now, if he loses to trout though then my opinion on Canelo/mayweather will be completely useless.
 
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I realize that, but just because they were undefeated, that doesn't mean it's a big fight. Neither Carr nor Campas had fought anyone of note and were fighting guys with more losses than wins at times. That was one of the great things about Kostya Tsyzu. He did that a lot less than most fighters. Same for Rigondeaux.Obviously their amateur backgrounds are the reason but there are plenty of guys with good amateur careers that feast on fighting bums for a lot longer.
But you don't see that with Mexican fighters who have zero amateur experience and turn pro at 15 or 16. Rigondeaux is 32 years old, turned pro at 28 and had about 460 amateur fights. Tsyzu I don't remember off the top of my head but I recall him having well over a hundred.

Anyways, I forget what we're talking about here lol. I think Trinidad is ranked higher than Marquez, you disagree, we'll just have to leave it at that for now.
 
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The problem is that Marquez was overshadowed by both Barrera and Morales so he never really got the chance to shine. As soon as the both of them exited he landed the big fights and proved himself. Until then he just had to get what he could get.

Trinidad gained popularity because of his nationality. He was given the chance and opportunities. He did prove himself though.

I think Trinidad has the better resume, but there is a reason for that. Who knows what Marquez would have done if people gave him a shot at big names.

When Felix went downhill, he was a done deal. Total mess after a single loss.
Marquez won't and hasn't died that easily. He's still up there.

Really tough to compare the two.
 
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Victor Ortiz Wants Mayweather Rematch: I'll Do It For Free


It’s been nearly a year since Victor Ortiz last stepped foot in the ring. However, his focus remains even deeper into the past.

The former welterweight titlist is rumored to return to the ring in September, which should allow enough healing time for the broken jaw suffered in his injury TKO loss to Josesito Lopez last June. He remains in the spotlight as a current contestant on Season 16 of Dancing with the Stars, after which he plans to resume training for his next fight.

Whom he next faces could depend entirely on what takes place a month from now.

“I called everyone from 147 to 154 out. There is one bout in particular I’d like to put out there,” Ortiz stated during a recent appearance on ESPN’s Sportsnation.

The lead-in to the fight he refers led to a past loss that continues to haunt him.

“Floyd Mayweather, he’s a great fighter and all that, no doubt. I was never content with the way things turned out,” Ortiz revealed, referring to his 4th round knockout loss to Mayweather in Sept. ’11.
Spirited debate came of the bout, in which Ortiz was docked a point for an intentional headbutt late in the 4th round. The two fighters were summoned to center ring, where they were reminded of the rules by referee Joe Cortez.

The third man then motioned his arms for the bout to resume, but then turned his back on the fighters to confirm with the timekeeper that everyone was back on the clock. Ortiz focused his attention on Cortez instead of Mayweather, who landed with a left hook and right hand on his defenseless opponent to score the knockout.

Ortiz and his camp protested the loss afterward, insisting he was the victim of a sucker punch. The final result stood, marking the first of consecutive stoppage losses for the California-based southpaw.

“I will never agree with that loss of mine,” Ortiz admits. “I think if we went 12 rounds it would have been a different outcome. But I bring up Floyd because he’s getting ready to take on Robert ‘The Ghost’ Guerrero.”

The welterweight bout between Mayweather and Guerrero takes place on May 4 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the same venue that played host to Ortiz’ lost to the unbeaten pound-for-pound king.

“I’d like to take on the winner of that fight,” Ortiz continued but eventually revealing his real preference.

“Unfinished business,” Ortiz commented, before staring into the camera to call out Mayweather. “I want a rematch, Floyd. It would be for free too, I don’t even need (the money).”
 
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AL BERNSTEIN: "THIS IS A DIFFERENT FLOYD MAYWEATHER...THIS FIGHT IS GONNA BE WON OR LOST ON THE ROPES"
By Percy Crawford | April 15, 2013

"This is a different Floyd Mayweather now. He is a 36-year-old Floyd Mayweather and what we are starting to see, and we saw it in the Cotto fight, is that the 36-year-old Floyd Mayweather, just because he is 36, fights just a little differently than he used to...I think that this fight is gonna be won or lost on the ropes. I know some people may or may not agree with me, but I think Floyd Mayweather now wants to fight more off of the ropes more often than he wants to fight in the center of the ring. And we saw Robert Guerrero against Berto and against Selcuk Aydin, we saw when he had those fighters on the ropes, he was rough and tough and he bullied them," stated Showtime commentator Al Bernstein, who shared his thoughts on Mayweather vs. Guerrero and several other upcoming events. Check it out!

PC: How are you doing, Al?

AB: I have been good. How about you?

PC: I can't complain at all. Thanks for asking. May 4th we got Floyd Mayweather and Robert Guerrero facing off. The entire card is stacked from top to bottom, but let's talk about the big one. Do you see this as an intriguing matchup or will we see Floyd dominate this fight in your opinion?

AB: This is a different Floyd Mayweather now. He is a 36-year-old Floyd Mayweather and what we are starting to see, and we saw it in the Cotto fight, is that the 36-year-old Floyd Mayweather, just because he is 36, fights just a little differently than he used to. He stresses movement even less and backs himself against the ropes to counterpunch. And that's not to say it's not successful or effective, but I think because of that, we are going to see over the next couple of years fights that are a little more competitive certainly, and they will offer more action. I think Robert Guerrero is a new face and he is very motivated for this fight. I don't think we will see a Floyd Mayweather against Juan Manuel Marquez kind of shutout.

PC: Is this your first Mayweather fight that you have commentated or have you done one in the past early in his career?

AB: You know, I am 99% sure I have. I called one in the early 90's and I'm not sure which one. It was a Top Rank pay-per-view in the late 90's, and I cannot remember who the opponent was, but I did call one of his fights, but it was a while ago.

PC: What was your initial reaction to the news that Floyd Mayweather was indeed a Showtime fighter now?

AB: Well, the main thing about it is it brought a lot of excitement to Showtime. I have been here since 2003 and for the most part, we have had a steady climb up the ladder. And now, obviously with the help of CBS, and their support raised the ante for boxing at Showtime, and because of that, of course Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao, either of the two are the biggest attractions in the sport today and I was very excited. It gives me a chance to do a fight that you know everybody is going to pay attention to.

PC: Someone who is fighting in the co-main event that night is Abner Mares, and you are always very honest when calling his fights and you don't always agree with, not so much his style or the things he's doing, but you don't always agree with the way referees officiate his fights. If you are in Daniel Ponce De Leon's corner, you have to want to know who the official will be and take that pre-fight talk with the official very seriously, right?

AB: Yes! And here is the thing, and you're right, it's not so much that I have a problem with Abner Mare's style. He is a terrific young man and a very good fighter. It's just when the fight starts, it looks like the referee has a pre-disposition in their mind that anything that the opponent does to hold on to him or push their head down is going to result in a warning, when in reality, because of the style he fights, and I'm not saying it's dirty, I'm just saying he fights an aggressive style that gets him off balance and the opponents are just protecting themselves. But they come in with this notion that they are going to start by penalizing the other guy and that's what disgusts me. I think if they would just let things play out, for the most part, I wouldn't have that big of an issue.

PC: Being that Mares is the guy moving up in weight to face Ponce, do you think he could get a taste of his own medicine as far as you feel like he may not be able to be as aggressive in this fight and that Ponce may try to bully him a little?

AB: Yeah! Mares is a very physical fighter and the fact that he is going up in weight could mean that. Ponce De Leon, we seen in the Gonzales fight, is just starting to go in the other direction of not being the fighter that he once was. But he is still a very, very good fighter and the fact is that he is the bigger man. So I agree with you, Mares is not going to be in a position where he can use so much of that physical style against De Leon, but it is a fascinating fight and with Mares' style, the weight issue can be a big one.