Right, and I wasnt knocking Hearns but just more saying losing those fights still hurt. To me Dela Hoya is the best example of fighting great opposition and losing all or most of his big fights. Thats a better example. But yea fighting top comp but not winning many of them while makes your resume look good but wont get u very high on my list of greatness without the wins. Thats all I am saying. Again ultimately for me is I am just very high on Floyd really. I would put him up against anyone in his prime at 147 including Leonard which is also one of my all time fav's. Its to bad we can never see these fantasy matches lol. Got Em!!
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Well resume isn't everything if you lose all the fights lol! There are some journeymen fighters that have unreal lists of opponents... but got knocked out by all of them.
In Oscar's defense he didn't really lose all of his top fights. He had wins over Mosley,Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Whitaker, Campass, Camacho, Mayorga, Gatti, Hernandez, Leja, Quartey.
Granted, Whitaker may have beat him, and Chavez was old, but he probably should have got the nod over Trinidad, so it goes both ways for Oscar (just like he does lol).
In Oscar's defense he didn't really lose all of his top fights. He had wins over Mosley,Vargas, Chavez, Mayorga, Whitaker, Campass, Camacho, Mayorga, Gatti, Hernandez, Leja, Quartey.
Granted, Whitaker may have beat him, and Chavez was old, but he probably should have got the nod over Trinidad, so it goes both ways for Oscar (just like he does lol).
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The question asked to me was if Floyd was a top 20 fighter, from 1980 till now. I provided that list (which I forget Roy Jones) and said Floyd is somewhere around the 19-20 spot, imo.
As for Trinidad. He was a beast, man.
At 147 pounds he went 34-0 with 16 title defenses beating guys like:
He knocked out 56-0 Luis Ramon Campas in 4 rounds.
He knocked out 32-0 Obar Carr in 8 rounds.
He dominated a 43-2 Hector Camacho.
He dominated a 40-2 Pernell Whitaker (albeit well past prime)
He beat 31-0 Oscar De La Hoya (this one is debated, though).
Won titles at 154:
Knocked out undefeated 20-0 Fernando Vargas (who was never really the same after that loss).
Won titles at 160 absolutely destroying 32-1 William Joppy.
By the time he fought Bernard Hopkins he was 40-0, winning titles in three weight classes. 'Nard destroyed him though, ate his soul and he was never the same after that.
So if we compare that to Marquez:
Pacquiao
(After pacquiao it's a struggle to find really good wins)
Juan Diaz
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor (past prime)
Marco Antonio Barrera (well past prime)
Rocky Juarez
Robbie Peden
With losses to Mayweather, Pacquiao, Chris John & Norwood.
So....Marquez resume is pretty weak if you take away his epic battles and brutal KO with Pacquiao, especially when compared to Trinidad's. To me, Juan's legacy IS Manny Pacquiao.
I don't mind if Marquez is considered one of the best in the past 20 years, as long as it's at the bottom and Trinidad is well above him.
As for Trinidad. He was a beast, man.
At 147 pounds he went 34-0 with 16 title defenses beating guys like:
He knocked out 56-0 Luis Ramon Campas in 4 rounds.
He knocked out 32-0 Obar Carr in 8 rounds.
He dominated a 43-2 Hector Camacho.
He dominated a 40-2 Pernell Whitaker (albeit well past prime)
He beat 31-0 Oscar De La Hoya (this one is debated, though).
Won titles at 154:
Knocked out undefeated 20-0 Fernando Vargas (who was never really the same after that loss).
Won titles at 160 absolutely destroying 32-1 William Joppy.
By the time he fought Bernard Hopkins he was 40-0, winning titles in three weight classes. 'Nard destroyed him though, ate his soul and he was never the same after that.
So if we compare that to Marquez:
Pacquiao
(After pacquiao it's a struggle to find really good wins)
Juan Diaz
Michael Katsidis
Joel Casamayor (past prime)
Marco Antonio Barrera (well past prime)
Rocky Juarez
Robbie Peden
With losses to Mayweather, Pacquiao, Chris John & Norwood.
So....Marquez resume is pretty weak if you take away his epic battles and brutal KO with Pacquiao, especially when compared to Trinidad's. To me, Juan's legacy IS Manny Pacquiao.
I don't mind if Marquez is considered one of the best in the past 20 years, as long as it's at the bottom and Trinidad is well above him.
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I missed the since 1980 question. I'm well acquainted with Trinidad and think he was a great fighter but I think the Vargas victory was his best win in terms of who opponent. Does that victory matchup with the victory over Pacquiao for Marquez? Marquez has some weak wins but if you take away the robbery of Pac by Bradley, Marquez basically is the man at 147lbs and the only real 4 weight division mexican champ of all time. Remember before he moved up to 135, people didn't think he could even fare in the division and he knocked out Casamayor who had never been stopped even though he fought some killers in his career. Juan Diaz only had the one loss when they fought and he knocked him out for the first time in his career. His resume is still pretty damn solid.
Marquez has a greater single victory with his Pac KO, but overall resume gotta go with Tito.
Casamayor looked like shit though before Marquez, he got whooped by Santa Cruz which was one of the worst robberies in recent times so Casa shouldn't have even been a champ.
Juan Diaz was an ok fighter, I never thought was anything too special, really no power but fan friendly. He was beat by Nate Campbell pretty badly prior to JMM.
I'd say William Joppy was a better/tough champ than Juan Diaz. And an old Pernell Whitaker or Camacho are better wins than an old Casa.
And keep in mind Tito destroyed these guys. I mean the way he destroyed a durable 160 pounder in Joppy (who Hopkins couldn't even knock out a couple years later) was a phenomenal display of power:
Casamayor looked like shit though before Marquez, he got whooped by Santa Cruz which was one of the worst robberies in recent times so Casa shouldn't have even been a champ.
Juan Diaz was an ok fighter, I never thought was anything too special, really no power but fan friendly. He was beat by Nate Campbell pretty badly prior to JMM.
I'd say William Joppy was a better/tough champ than Juan Diaz. And an old Pernell Whitaker or Camacho are better wins than an old Casa.
And keep in mind Tito destroyed these guys. I mean the way he destroyed a durable 160 pounder in Joppy (who Hopkins couldn't even knock out a couple years later) was a phenomenal display of power:
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ALL ACCESS EP. 1 - GUERRERO: "HE'S JUST AN OBNOXIOUS CREEP...MAY 4TH, HIS WHOLE MENTALITY IS GOING TO CHANGE"
By Ben Thompson | April 10, 2013
The first episode of the highly anticipated SHOWTIME Sports series ALL ACCESS: MAYWEATHER vs. GUERRERO debuted tonight in the lead-up to the May 4 showdown between welterweight champion Floyd "Money" Mayweather and top challenger Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero. For those fans wanting to learn more about Guerrero and his feelings towards Mayweather, it did not disappoint. "He's just an obnoxious creep. That's all he is. Boxing needs to get back to where it was. Classy! Gentlemen's sport! You got the youth coming up, see a clown like that; what kind of role model are you...there's always lessons for people to learn and this is one of those lessons Floyd's gonna learn. May 4th, his whole mentality is going to change," Guerrero would comment, making it clear that he is confident about handing Mayweather his first defeat. Check out what else Robert Guerrero had to say in episode 1 of All Access: Mayweather vs. Guerrero.
On Floyd Mayweather...
You have the biggest athlete in the world, the biggest athlete in the world, highest paid, acting a fool.
He knows deep down in his heart, his legs are starting to get a little slower. He's not moving the way he used to move. He knows.
On his career...
I've won 6 world titles in 4 different weight classes. My dad says I'm moving through weight class like the way I change underwear.
I've been pursuing the Mayweather fight for a good year and a half. You know, I'm the mandatory to fight him at 147 pounds for the WBC championship of the world.
On the difference between his training camp and that of Mayweather...
Probably a lot different from a Mayweather gym. You don't have 50 million guys going, "Hard work! Dedication!" Because you either just do hard work. You don't need anybody to be screaming it out like a cheerleader. You leave that for the football games.
More on Floyd Mayweather...
He's just an obnoxious creep. That's all he is. Boxing needs to get back to where it was. Classy! Gentlemen's sport! You got the youth coming up, see a clown like that; what kind of role model are you? You got millions of kids around the world looking up to you, watching. You know, boasting about money, boasting about cars, boasting about where you live, boasting about your jet; you know, going to jail for what he did. How do young kids take that in? They think it's cool...there's always lessons for people to learn and this is one of those lessons Floyd's gonna learn. May 4th, his whole mentality is going to change.
On the May 4 event...
This is the biggest production I've been a part of; biggest fight. I mean, any fight with Mayweather, I mean, no matter who it is, it's going to be their biggest fight of their career. It's just something that comes with the territory; something you gotta do, but you gotta stay focused and keep your mind on the prize.
On Mayweather's smack talk...
You know, Floyd, I mean, he'll stare you down, try to intimidate you. We're both in the fight game. This is what we do; we fight.
You're not going to let somebody walk over you and tell you and bully you around. You gotta stand your ground. He knows he's not intimidating me like he does everybody else. Guys like Victor Ortiz, all these other guys, he's intimidated them. With me, there ain't no intimidation at all. I'm coming to fight regardless the way you act, the way you talk; I'm coming to fight.
By Ben Thompson | April 10, 2013
The first episode of the highly anticipated SHOWTIME Sports series ALL ACCESS: MAYWEATHER vs. GUERRERO debuted tonight in the lead-up to the May 4 showdown between welterweight champion Floyd "Money" Mayweather and top challenger Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero. For those fans wanting to learn more about Guerrero and his feelings towards Mayweather, it did not disappoint. "He's just an obnoxious creep. That's all he is. Boxing needs to get back to where it was. Classy! Gentlemen's sport! You got the youth coming up, see a clown like that; what kind of role model are you...there's always lessons for people to learn and this is one of those lessons Floyd's gonna learn. May 4th, his whole mentality is going to change," Guerrero would comment, making it clear that he is confident about handing Mayweather his first defeat. Check out what else Robert Guerrero had to say in episode 1 of All Access: Mayweather vs. Guerrero.
On Floyd Mayweather...
You have the biggest athlete in the world, the biggest athlete in the world, highest paid, acting a fool.
He knows deep down in his heart, his legs are starting to get a little slower. He's not moving the way he used to move. He knows.
On his career...
I've won 6 world titles in 4 different weight classes. My dad says I'm moving through weight class like the way I change underwear.
I've been pursuing the Mayweather fight for a good year and a half. You know, I'm the mandatory to fight him at 147 pounds for the WBC championship of the world.
On the difference between his training camp and that of Mayweather...
Probably a lot different from a Mayweather gym. You don't have 50 million guys going, "Hard work! Dedication!" Because you either just do hard work. You don't need anybody to be screaming it out like a cheerleader. You leave that for the football games.
More on Floyd Mayweather...
He's just an obnoxious creep. That's all he is. Boxing needs to get back to where it was. Classy! Gentlemen's sport! You got the youth coming up, see a clown like that; what kind of role model are you? You got millions of kids around the world looking up to you, watching. You know, boasting about money, boasting about cars, boasting about where you live, boasting about your jet; you know, going to jail for what he did. How do young kids take that in? They think it's cool...there's always lessons for people to learn and this is one of those lessons Floyd's gonna learn. May 4th, his whole mentality is going to change.
On the May 4 event...
This is the biggest production I've been a part of; biggest fight. I mean, any fight with Mayweather, I mean, no matter who it is, it's going to be their biggest fight of their career. It's just something that comes with the territory; something you gotta do, but you gotta stay focused and keep your mind on the prize.
On Mayweather's smack talk...
You know, Floyd, I mean, he'll stare you down, try to intimidate you. We're both in the fight game. This is what we do; we fight.
You're not going to let somebody walk over you and tell you and bully you around. You gotta stand your ground. He knows he's not intimidating me like he does everybody else. Guys like Victor Ortiz, all these other guys, he's intimidated them. With me, there ain't no intimidation at all. I'm coming to fight regardless the way you act, the way you talk; I'm coming to fight.
Bernard Hopkins vs. Karo Murat on July 27th in Brooklyn, New York
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Hopkins Murat Hopkins vs. Murat karo murat bernard hopkins By Scott Gilfoid: WBO light heavyweight champion Nathan Cleverly might not be feeling too good today after the news of IBF light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins (53-6-2, 32 KO’s) agreeing to defend his International Boxing Federation title against his mandatory challenger #3 IBF Karo Murat (25-1-1-, 15 KO’s) on July 27th at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York. According to ESPN, the 48-year-old Hopkins and Murat have agreed on the fight for July 27th.
It’s not as if Hopkins had a choice in the matter because Murat had already been promised by the IBF to fight the winner of the Hopkins vs. Tavorois Cloud fight regardless of who won the fight. If Hopkins had opted to fight Cleverly next, then he would have been stripped by the IBF for failing to face his mandatory challenger Murat.
Cleverly wants to fight Hopkins in the worst way and he was hoping to be able to face him after Cleverly defends his title against Robin Krasniqi this month on April 20th at the Wembley Arena in London, UK.
Hopkins gave Cleverly a bit of hope saying that he likes the idea of fighting him and complimenting his talent, but Hopkins never said he would agree to fight Cleverly next.
Cleverly may get a fight with Hopkins but it’s not going to happen soon. If he’s lucky he might get a fight with Hopkins near the end of the year, provided that Hopkins doesn’t lose to Murat or find a more interesting opponent to face either at 175 or 168.
Hopkins defeated Cloud last month by a 12 round unanimous decision to capture the IBF light heavyweight title. It was a great performance from Hopkins especially given that he hadn’t fought in 11 months since losing to Chad Dawson by a 12 round decision in April of last year.
Murat, 29, has had mixed success in the past three years, losing to Cleverly by a 10th round TKO in September of 2010, and then beating Christian Cruz and Otis Griffin before fighting to a 12 round draw against Gabriel Campillo in October of 2011 in a fight that many boxing fans felt Murat should have lost. In his last fight, Murat defeated Sandro Siproshvili by a 7th round TKO in June of last year.
Murat is a good body puncher with poor defensive skills. He’s incredibly easy to hit, not big for the weight class, and not very fast. He can hit good to the body but his power doesn’t carry over for head shots.
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Hopkins Murat Hopkins vs. Murat karo murat bernard hopkins By Scott Gilfoid: WBO light heavyweight champion Nathan Cleverly might not be feeling too good today after the news of IBF light heavyweight champion Bernard Hopkins (53-6-2, 32 KO’s) agreeing to defend his International Boxing Federation title against his mandatory challenger #3 IBF Karo Murat (25-1-1-, 15 KO’s) on July 27th at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York. According to ESPN, the 48-year-old Hopkins and Murat have agreed on the fight for July 27th.
It’s not as if Hopkins had a choice in the matter because Murat had already been promised by the IBF to fight the winner of the Hopkins vs. Tavorois Cloud fight regardless of who won the fight. If Hopkins had opted to fight Cleverly next, then he would have been stripped by the IBF for failing to face his mandatory challenger Murat.
Cleverly wants to fight Hopkins in the worst way and he was hoping to be able to face him after Cleverly defends his title against Robin Krasniqi this month on April 20th at the Wembley Arena in London, UK.
Hopkins gave Cleverly a bit of hope saying that he likes the idea of fighting him and complimenting his talent, but Hopkins never said he would agree to fight Cleverly next.
Cleverly may get a fight with Hopkins but it’s not going to happen soon. If he’s lucky he might get a fight with Hopkins near the end of the year, provided that Hopkins doesn’t lose to Murat or find a more interesting opponent to face either at 175 or 168.
Hopkins defeated Cloud last month by a 12 round unanimous decision to capture the IBF light heavyweight title. It was a great performance from Hopkins especially given that he hadn’t fought in 11 months since losing to Chad Dawson by a 12 round decision in April of last year.
Murat, 29, has had mixed success in the past three years, losing to Cleverly by a 10th round TKO in September of 2010, and then beating Christian Cruz and Otis Griffin before fighting to a 12 round draw against Gabriel Campillo in October of 2011 in a fight that many boxing fans felt Murat should have lost. In his last fight, Murat defeated Sandro Siproshvili by a 7th round TKO in June of last year.
Murat is a good body puncher with poor defensive skills. He’s incredibly easy to hit, not big for the weight class, and not very fast. He can hit good to the body but his power doesn’t carry over for head shots.
Dawson: I had to Google to find out who Adonis Stevenson is
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Dawson Stevenson Dawson vs. Stevenson chad dawson adonis stevenson By Allan Fox: WBC light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson (31-2, 17 KO’s) and challenger Adonis Stevenson (20-1, 17 KO’s) traded barbs earlier today in their press conference to hype their June 8th fight at the Bell Centre, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Stevenson, 35, is moving up in weight from 168 to challenge the taller and the more experienced Dawson for is World Boxing Council 175 lb. title,
Dawson seemed like he wanted to have it be a nice calm press conference but Stevenson got him riled up when he said: “The one young guy you fought, Jean Pascal, beat you up in Montreal.”
Dawson didn’t take that insult too well and he immediately fired back to Stevenson saying:
“You’re not young; you’re an old 35. You’re outdated already. Who are you? Nobody knows who you are. I had to Google you to find anything about you. You’re lucky to be getting the opportunity. Grown-ups don’t have Mohawks. My three-year-old son has a Mohawk.”
In the last comment, Dawson was making reference to Stevenson’s Mohawk haircut. Dawson is right about Stevenson not being well known. He’s well known in Canada and fights in front of big crowd there, but in the United States, Stevenson is only known to the hardcore boxing fans that follow the sport closely.
Casual boxing fans in the U.S don’t have a clue who Stevenson is, and Dawson is doing him a big favor in agreeing to take this fight because the U.S boxing public isn’t pushing for this fight. Also, there are higher ranked contenders than Stevenson such as Tony Bellew, Isaac Chilemba and Jean Pascal that Dawson could have fought instead of the 35-year-old Stevenson.
This is difficult fight to predict a winner because Dawson is coming off a one-sided 10th round stoppage loss to WBA/WBC super middleweight champion Andre Ward from last September, and he never looked good in that fight.
We heard the excuse that Dawson was weight drained in coming down in weight to take that fight at 168, but the way that Ward dominated Dawson it seems pretty obvious that the outcome would have been virtually the same had the fight taken place at 175 instead.
Stevenson, a southpaw, has been able to get over his opponents with his southpaw stance and hand speed. However, Dawson is also a southpaw, so Stevenson won’t have an advantage in this fight for area. He’ll still be faster and the harder puncher compared to Dawson, but it won’t help Stevenson if he can’t land his shots.
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Dawson Stevenson Dawson vs. Stevenson chad dawson adonis stevenson By Allan Fox: WBC light heavyweight champion Chad Dawson (31-2, 17 KO’s) and challenger Adonis Stevenson (20-1, 17 KO’s) traded barbs earlier today in their press conference to hype their June 8th fight at the Bell Centre, in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Stevenson, 35, is moving up in weight from 168 to challenge the taller and the more experienced Dawson for is World Boxing Council 175 lb. title,
Dawson seemed like he wanted to have it be a nice calm press conference but Stevenson got him riled up when he said: “The one young guy you fought, Jean Pascal, beat you up in Montreal.”
Dawson didn’t take that insult too well and he immediately fired back to Stevenson saying:
“You’re not young; you’re an old 35. You’re outdated already. Who are you? Nobody knows who you are. I had to Google you to find anything about you. You’re lucky to be getting the opportunity. Grown-ups don’t have Mohawks. My three-year-old son has a Mohawk.”
In the last comment, Dawson was making reference to Stevenson’s Mohawk haircut. Dawson is right about Stevenson not being well known. He’s well known in Canada and fights in front of big crowd there, but in the United States, Stevenson is only known to the hardcore boxing fans that follow the sport closely.
Casual boxing fans in the U.S don’t have a clue who Stevenson is, and Dawson is doing him a big favor in agreeing to take this fight because the U.S boxing public isn’t pushing for this fight. Also, there are higher ranked contenders than Stevenson such as Tony Bellew, Isaac Chilemba and Jean Pascal that Dawson could have fought instead of the 35-year-old Stevenson.
This is difficult fight to predict a winner because Dawson is coming off a one-sided 10th round stoppage loss to WBA/WBC super middleweight champion Andre Ward from last September, and he never looked good in that fight.
We heard the excuse that Dawson was weight drained in coming down in weight to take that fight at 168, but the way that Ward dominated Dawson it seems pretty obvious that the outcome would have been virtually the same had the fight taken place at 175 instead.
Stevenson, a southpaw, has been able to get over his opponents with his southpaw stance and hand speed. However, Dawson is also a southpaw, so Stevenson won’t have an advantage in this fight for area. He’ll still be faster and the harder puncher compared to Dawson, but it won’t help Stevenson if he can’t land his shots.
Roach: Marquez wants close to a 50-50 split for Pacquiao 5th fight
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Pacquiao Marquez Pacquiao vs. Marquez manny pacquiao juan manuel marquez freddie roach By Chris Williams: Trainer Freddie Roach isn’t sure if a fifth fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez can be put together because the 39-year-old Marquez wants parity in the money split between the two fighters.
Marquez has consistently taken a much smaller money split in his four previous fights with the Filipino but after knocking him out in the 6th round last December, Marquez wants close to a 50-50 deal to fight him again. You can’t blame him because Pacquiao’s last two fights against Marquez have drawn 1.4 million and 1.15 million pay per view buys.
In contrast, Pacquiao’s fights against Joshua Clottey and Tim Bradley drew far fewer numbers and it’s still unclear what the final totals where for both of those fights because the numbers that were mentioned seem highly inflated.
Roach said to sweetscience.com “Marquez wants just about a 50-50 split. Manny brings butts in seats, pay-per-view-wise, Manny is the guy.”
I think Roach is forgetting the fact that Marquez is bringing in huge PPV numbers from his Mexican fans. He’s like another Canelo Alvarez with his popularity and I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the PPV buys are coming from Marquez’s Mexican fans in the United States because the Hispanic community outnumbers the Filipino community in the United States.
Roach can say that Pacquiao is the one that puts backsides in seats but Marquez is the one that is pumping up Pacquiao’s PPV numbers and I think Bob Arum realizes this because that’s why he’s so eager to try and get Marquez to face Pacquiao for a fifth time. Arum and Pacquiao are the ones that want this fight, not Marquez. They’re the ones pushing for this fight.
If you have something that you really want then the price goes up if he seller isn’t interested in selling at the cheap price.
Marquez took the smaller 76-24 split last time he fought Pacquiao, but you can’t blame him for wanting to receive an even split this time. Why should he take less when he’s the one that has been bringing in massive amounts of Mexican fans for their PPV fights? It’s not fair.
Canelo Alvarez himself chose not to fight on Floyd Mayweather Jr’s undercard when he couldn’t get an agreement for a September fight. Canelo realized how much he could bring to the card by pumping up Mayweather’s PPV numbers by agreeing to fight on his undercard, but when Mayweather wouldn’t give him some of the action by agreeing to fight him in September so that he could share in the money, Canelo decided against fighting on Mayweather’s card.
It’s the same with Marquez. If he’s not going to get an even split with Pacquiao for their fifth fight then it’s not worth it for him because it’s Marquez’s fans that would make the fight huge and yet wouldn’t be getting paid what he deserves.
If Arum and Pacquiao fail to agree to give Marquez his 50-50 deal then Arum will put Pacquiao in with likely Tim Bradley. The other options are Mike Alvarado or Brandon Rios, but don’t count on that happening because the danger is too high for the Filipino and the PPV numbers would likely be poor because Rios and Alvarado aren’t big names.
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Pacquiao Marquez Pacquiao vs. Marquez manny pacquiao juan manuel marquez freddie roach By Chris Williams: Trainer Freddie Roach isn’t sure if a fifth fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez can be put together because the 39-year-old Marquez wants parity in the money split between the two fighters.
Marquez has consistently taken a much smaller money split in his four previous fights with the Filipino but after knocking him out in the 6th round last December, Marquez wants close to a 50-50 deal to fight him again. You can’t blame him because Pacquiao’s last two fights against Marquez have drawn 1.4 million and 1.15 million pay per view buys.
In contrast, Pacquiao’s fights against Joshua Clottey and Tim Bradley drew far fewer numbers and it’s still unclear what the final totals where for both of those fights because the numbers that were mentioned seem highly inflated.
Roach said to sweetscience.com “Marquez wants just about a 50-50 split. Manny brings butts in seats, pay-per-view-wise, Manny is the guy.”
I think Roach is forgetting the fact that Marquez is bringing in huge PPV numbers from his Mexican fans. He’s like another Canelo Alvarez with his popularity and I wouldn’t be surprised if half of the PPV buys are coming from Marquez’s Mexican fans in the United States because the Hispanic community outnumbers the Filipino community in the United States.
Roach can say that Pacquiao is the one that puts backsides in seats but Marquez is the one that is pumping up Pacquiao’s PPV numbers and I think Bob Arum realizes this because that’s why he’s so eager to try and get Marquez to face Pacquiao for a fifth time. Arum and Pacquiao are the ones that want this fight, not Marquez. They’re the ones pushing for this fight.
If you have something that you really want then the price goes up if he seller isn’t interested in selling at the cheap price.
Marquez took the smaller 76-24 split last time he fought Pacquiao, but you can’t blame him for wanting to receive an even split this time. Why should he take less when he’s the one that has been bringing in massive amounts of Mexican fans for their PPV fights? It’s not fair.
Canelo Alvarez himself chose not to fight on Floyd Mayweather Jr’s undercard when he couldn’t get an agreement for a September fight. Canelo realized how much he could bring to the card by pumping up Mayweather’s PPV numbers by agreeing to fight on his undercard, but when Mayweather wouldn’t give him some of the action by agreeing to fight him in September so that he could share in the money, Canelo decided against fighting on Mayweather’s card.
It’s the same with Marquez. If he’s not going to get an even split with Pacquiao for their fifth fight then it’s not worth it for him because it’s Marquez’s fans that would make the fight huge and yet wouldn’t be getting paid what he deserves.
If Arum and Pacquiao fail to agree to give Marquez his 50-50 deal then Arum will put Pacquiao in with likely Tim Bradley. The other options are Mike Alvarado or Brandon Rios, but don’t count on that happening because the danger is too high for the Filipino and the PPV numbers would likely be poor because Rios and Alvarado aren’t big names.
Canelo-Trout: Saul with rematch clause in contract in case he loses on April 20th
April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Canelo Trout Canelo vs. Trout saul alvarez austin trout By Dan Ambrose: WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (41-0-1, 30 KO’s) has a rematch clause in his contract with WBA junior middleweight champion Austin Trout (26-0, 14 KO’s) in case Canelo loses their April 20th fight at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. The interesting part is that if Canelo loses the fight, he gets an immediate rematch with Trout, but if Trout loses, he doesn’t get a rematch.
Louie Burke, the trainer for Trout, said to the elpasotimes.com “There is a rematch clause in the contract. If Canelo wins, there is no rematch. But, if Austin wins, there is a rematch clause for Canelo.”
That’s nice, isn’t it? Canelo gets a rematch if he loses, but Trout doesn’t. I wonder why Trout doesn’t get a rematch if he loses. I think it’s pretty obvious. Canelo is considered the bigger name the bigger money guy, so he gets to move on without having to fight Trout again if he wins the fight, but Trout being less popular probably didn’t have the cache to get this put in the contract.
The crowd is expected to be 40,000 or more by April 20th when the two fighters step inside the ring with most of the boxing fans coming to see the 22-year-old Canelo rather than Trout. 35,000 tickets have reportedly been sold for the fight with 10 days to go.
The ticket sales have been helped along dramatically by Canelo insisting on the lowest cost tickets be sold for only $10 instead of $25. How many more tickets were sold because of this is unknown, but I’d be willing to bet that this is one of the driving reasons why there is such a big crowd for the fight.
Canelo was wise to have the tickets sold at a bargain basement price because it’s going to give the impression to boxing fans watching the fight on Showtime from home that Canelo is already a huge star.
The reality is Canelo is very popular with Mexican fans, but he’s still totally unproven at 154, which is what this fight with Trout is all about. Canelo has his first real fight and he’s going to have to prove whether he’s for real or just a fighter that Golden Boy has boosted to the top with help from their careful matchmaking.
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April 10th, 2013 | Post Comment
Canelo Trout Canelo vs. Trout saul alvarez austin trout By Dan Ambrose: WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (41-0-1, 30 KO’s) has a rematch clause in his contract with WBA junior middleweight champion Austin Trout (26-0, 14 KO’s) in case Canelo loses their April 20th fight at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. The interesting part is that if Canelo loses the fight, he gets an immediate rematch with Trout, but if Trout loses, he doesn’t get a rematch.
Louie Burke, the trainer for Trout, said to the elpasotimes.com “There is a rematch clause in the contract. If Canelo wins, there is no rematch. But, if Austin wins, there is a rematch clause for Canelo.”
That’s nice, isn’t it? Canelo gets a rematch if he loses, but Trout doesn’t. I wonder why Trout doesn’t get a rematch if he loses. I think it’s pretty obvious. Canelo is considered the bigger name the bigger money guy, so he gets to move on without having to fight Trout again if he wins the fight, but Trout being less popular probably didn’t have the cache to get this put in the contract.
The crowd is expected to be 40,000 or more by April 20th when the two fighters step inside the ring with most of the boxing fans coming to see the 22-year-old Canelo rather than Trout. 35,000 tickets have reportedly been sold for the fight with 10 days to go.
The ticket sales have been helped along dramatically by Canelo insisting on the lowest cost tickets be sold for only $10 instead of $25. How many more tickets were sold because of this is unknown, but I’d be willing to bet that this is one of the driving reasons why there is such a big crowd for the fight.
Canelo was wise to have the tickets sold at a bargain basement price because it’s going to give the impression to boxing fans watching the fight on Showtime from home that Canelo is already a huge star.
The reality is Canelo is very popular with Mexican fans, but he’s still totally unproven at 154, which is what this fight with Trout is all about. Canelo has his first real fight and he’s going to have to prove whether he’s for real or just a fighter that Golden Boy has boosted to the top with help from their careful matchmaking.
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Not only is Murat Hopkins mandatory but Golden Boy.paid Murat step aside money in order for Hopkins to fight Cloud and they had to make a deal with Murat that if Hopkins won he'd fight him. So there are two legal binding obligations to Murat.
Hopkins will make history just by stepping in the ring as the oldest man to ever defend a title.
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