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Floyd fought and beat two hall of fame fighters in Oscar De La Hoya and Sugar Shane Mosley before they were washed up/shot.

Let's not even talk about Pacquiao (who couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to test or not)
Both Oscar and Shane were past prime, clearly. Shot? Not quite but past their best days for sure.

Even so, what's your point? Compared to the top 20 that means nothing.
 
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rip Carl the truth Williams,


R.I.P Carl Williams, “The Truth” Passes Away At Age 53
By James Slater | Published April 8, 2013 | 21 Comments

williams4 R.I.P Carl Williams, “The Truth” Passes Away At Age 53By James Slater: In sad news, it has been reported that former top class heavyweight contender and former two-time world title challenger Carl “The Truth” Williams has passed away. Williams, just 53, lost a long battle with oesophageal cancer, passing away on April 7th.

Best known for his losing challenge of a peak Mike Tyson – when Williams was somewhat controversially stopped via TKO, when up and on his feet, in the opening round – Williams fought a number of other notable bouts.

His best performance was undoubtedly his close 15-round decision loss to an unbeaten Larry Holmes for the IBF title back in May of 1985. The long-armed Williams used his superb jab to great effect especially, with a good number of people feeling the challenger had done enough to have upset “The Easton Assassin.” Carl also fought notables such as Jesse Ferguson (WTKO10), Mike Weaver (LTKOby2), Bert Cooper (WRTD8), Trevor Berbick (WU12), Tim Witherspoon (LS12), Tommy Morrison (LTKO8) and Frank Bruno (LTKO10).

It was the Tyson fight of July 1989 that haunted Williams, however.

Decked by a hard left hook in the 1st-round, Williams, who had been taking the fight right to Tyson, beat the count but was deemed unable to carry on by referee Randy Neumann. To his dying day, “The Truth” insisted he could have carried on. Of course, we will never know.

A fine boxer, who also enjoyed a stellar amateur career, Williams retired with a 30-10(21) ledger. Carl boxed as a pro from January of 1982 to October of 1997. Condolences go out to his family and friends.
 
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Fox Sports Reaches Multi-Media Rights Extension with Golden Boy Promotions
By Golden Boy Promotions | Published April 8, 2013 | Leave a comment

New York – FOX Sports and Golden Boy Promotions, founded by 10-time World Champion Oscar De La Hoya, have reached a multi-media rights extension to televise exciting live boxing in the United States and internationally. The new multi-year agreement keeps Golden Boy Promotions’ bouts with FOX Sports for years to come, and helps establish a new Monday night boxing franchise on FOX Sports 1 (FS1), FOX Sports’ new, national multi-sport cable channel launching on Aug. 17. Financial terms were not disclosed.

“When we started Golden Boy, we made a promise to only do business with the best companies out there,” said De La Hoya, President of Golden Boy Promotions. “To be partnered with FOX on this sensational series is a great fit. We look forward to working with FOX Sports 1 for years to come in giving fans the best boxing matches available.”

“Led by the dynamic Oscar De La Hoya and its Chief Executive Officer Richard Schaefer, Golden Boy Promotions has developed a great reputation over the last several years for putting together exciting cards with top-flight fighters,” said Patrick Crakes, Senior Vice President, Programming & Research, FOX Sports. “It’s great that we’ve been able to build upon and expand what has already been a fruitful relationship that benefits multiple networks in the FOX Sports family, domestically and internationally.”

Under the new agreement FOX Sports retains exclusive domestic rights to 48 live two-hour events (featuring two or three fights per event) annually with many of Golden Boy Promotions’ brightest stars expected to be featured. FS1 is scheduling 24 live events per year, with FOX Deportes, the nation’s leading Spanish-language sports network, airing all 48 events live, an increase from 36 in the previous deal. The 24 events on FS1 will all originate in the U.S., and most are expected to run on Monday nights once the network launches. FOX Deportes will simulcast the same 24 events as FS1 in Spanish, plus air 24 others that originate from Mexico. Once events air on FS1, each will be available for encore presentations on FOX Sports regional networks. Fox International Channels also holds exclusive rights to all 48 live fights in the Central America, South America, the Caribbean, Sub-Saharan Africa, Europe (excluding the U.K.) and Middle East territories. Finally, all events will be available via authenticated streaming through FOX Sports Go.

“We are thrilled to partner with FOX as the boxing provider for FOX Sports 1 and FOX Deportes,” added Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer. “For years, the best of boxing has been available primarily on premium cable and pay-per-view only, but our partnership with FOX Sports signifies a major step-up in exposure for the fighter, Golden Boy Promotions and the entire sport. We are confident that with our mix of world class fights and fighters combined with the reach and promotional capacities that FOX Sports provides, the sky is really the limit for us all.”

In addition to Golden Boy’s live events, all FOX Sports channels have access to 24 classic archived events from the promoter’s extensive library. Archive fights feature many of boxing biggest names, including De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Canelo Alvarez, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Juan Manuel Marquez and Shane Mosley.
 

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Yo 206 let me be clear, u are right about the historian part. When it comes to sports in general when I rank players or whatever I usually only rank from what Ive seen. So with that said I have Floyd in my top 20 since I been into boxing which is basically 1980 until now. So let me ask u is Floyd a top 20 fighter of all time from 1980 until now? Got Em!!
 
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Leonard
Hearns
Hagler
Duran
Mike Tyson
Pernel Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Holyfield
Michael Spinks
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Mike McCallum
Hopkins
Azumah Nelson
Trinidad
Aaron Pryor
Lennix Lewis
James Toney
Pacquiao

How many is that? I may have missed someone. So I'd think he'd be right around the 19-20 spot, depending on who you prefer out of Oscar, Pac or Floyd.
 
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Ishe Smith vs. Carlos Molina in late July
April 9th, 2013 | Post Comment


Smith Molina Smith vs. Molina Carlos Molina ishe smith By Eric Thomas: IBF junior middleweight champion Ishe Smith (25-5, 11 KO’s) vs. Carlos Molina is in the works for late July according to Dan Rafael. There still isn’t a specified date or venue for the fight but it should be announced soon.

Smith recently defeated IBF champion Cornelius Bundrage by a 12 round decision to capture his IBF title last February in a hard fought fight.

Molina, 29, has a two-fight winning streak going since being beaten by James Kirkland in a highly controversial fight last year where the referee stopped the fight that Molina was head in after his corner person stepped inside the ring after the round had ended following a knockdown of Molina by Kirkland.

Molina had gotten back to his feet and beaten the count, yet the referee disqualified him because his corner had stepped inside the ring. The referee was still looking Molina over to see if he was okay at the time his corner stepped inside the ring. Molina has since beaten Damian Frias and Cory Spinks.

Molina fought to a 12 round draw last year against unbeaten Erislandy Lara in a fight that some boxing fans felt that Molina should have won. Molina also beat Kermit Cintron last year. Earlier in his career, Molina had a controversial six round draw against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. in 2005 in a fight that Molina arguably should have won.

The two fighters met in the following year with Chavez Jr. winning a 6 round decision in a fight that looked identical to the first. I had Molina winning both of those fights.

Smith fought well in beating Bundrage recently. Smith was able to stay on the outside and use his speed and a hard jab to defeat the harder hitting Bundrage. Late in the fight, Smith was even able to stun Bundrage with some hard shots.
 
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Khan v Broner: The best fight at 140
April 9th, 2013 | Post Comment


Khan Broner Khan vs. Broner amir khan adrien broner By Stevie Ocallaghan: I read an article from another writer on this site about British fighter Amir Khan and the possibility of him taking on soon to be 3 weight world champ Adrien Broner.

First of all I would like to commend our esteemed friend for his first non Brit bash article and secondly for bringing up this story as it would be a superb match up.

The talk , if this fight is made will be about whether Amir Khans chin will hold out against the big punching Broner. Let’s look at facts. When Khan got ko’ed in the first round off Breidis Prescott, he was caught with a punch that could have taken out many a larger fighter. Okay, Khan should have been smarter and avoided it but even the best get put down. Prescott had just beaten Richard Abril in his previous fight.

Danny Garcia fought Khan in round 3, and I suppose it was just a matter of time but Khan got stopped on his his feet in the 4th. What seams forgotten is the way Khan schooled Garcia in the first two rounds, barely allowing Garcia to work and hitting him at will. Khan took some really heavy punches of guys like Marcos Maidana and Lamont Peterson and coped. He struggled but coped.

Broner has really only been in deep once when he fought Daniel Ponce de Leon. He was never physically in trouble but won a close fight. But Khan is a different proposition altogether. His work rate for one is something that will give him problems, whereas Broner likes to settle in every round. Also, Khan is very accurate and also very fast.

Experience most definitely lies with Khan as he has far more big fight experience but also for a relatively young man has far more miles on the clock.

Broner is also accurate. He’s not as fast as Khan but is slick in movement and throws punches that sometimes come out of the blue and take opponents by surprise.

Both Khan and Broner are easy to hit. Broner in my eyes has more power than Khan and less punch weary but I think with Khan’s natural hand speed I think he could take this one possibly by late stoppage. It’s most definitely a fight I’d love to see. Broner in beating Antonio DeMarco really proved he deserves to be on the big stage and in easily stopping the light punching Gavin Rees. He showed he really is a class above domestic level. His next fight against Paulie Malignaggi will show his doubters that by becoming a 3 weight champion that he really is the real deal

I’d like to finish off by paying respects to the family of the talented boxer Michael Norgrove who sadly passed away last week. Boxing is a tough sport and the way these guys earn their living to support their family’s has got to be respected. Every fighter who steps through the ropes is taking risky challenges that have, and probably will in the future take lives.
 

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Hearns
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Hopkins
Azumah Nelson
Trinidad
Aaron Pryor
Lennix Lewis
James Toney
Pacquiao

How many is that? I may have missed someone. So I'd think he'd be right around the 19-20 spot, depending on who you prefer out of Oscar, Pac or Floyd.
Out of those these are the only ones i would put over Floyd for now:

Leonard
Hearns
Hagler
Duran
Mike Tyson
Pernel Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Holyfield
Hopkins
Trinidad

So I think about half of them u could put over floyd. I think Floyd could pass all of them once he is done though. Good list by the way though. Got Em!!
 
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Out of those these are the only ones i would put over Floyd for now:

Leonard
Hearns
Hagler
Duran
Mike Tyson
Pernel Whitaker
Julio Cesar Chavez
Holyfield
Hopkins
Trinidad

So I think about half of them u could put over floyd. I think Floyd could pass all of them once he is done though. Good list by the way though. Got Em!!
I knew I forgot someone - Roy Jones! He obviously needs to be right around Hopkins.

Floyd can definitely go up since he's not done. Realistically though I'm not sure who out there would really boost his legacy. Obviously if he were to beat Sergio Martinez that would be big, but Floyd said yesterday he won't fight him. Canelo, I guess it depends on how good of a career Canelo has which is anybody's guess now. Pacquiao could still be a good win if Pacquiao were to beat Marquez impressively but doubtful. After that its slim pickings - Alexander, Khan, etc.

Seems very unlikely but he could also hurt his legacy a bit like Roy Jones did. Jones was basically 50-0 winning MW title's to heavyweight. He was Superman. If he would have retired then, jesus he would be viewed as a god. But he was basically the same age as Floyd at 35, got knocked out then of course got knocked out about 5 more times. He was past prime, but still, all those losses seems to have almost wiped the memory of him being Superman.

Again I highly doubt that could happen with Floyd, but if he ends up having any kind of money problems it could keep him in the sport too long.
 
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JEFF MAYWEATHER: “FLOYD IS PHYSICALLY STRONGER BY FAR…I THINK HE BEATS GUERRERO HOWEVER HE CHOOSES”
April 10th, 2013 | by Scott Smith

“Floyd can go toe to toe with Gurerreo if he wants to and I think he will. He’s not a puncher at all, so I don’t know why he thinks Floyd has to run from him. Floyd is physically stronger by far and can stay in his face and still make him miss. He’s not going to overpower Floyd. If he thinks that, he’s sadly mistaken…I think he beats Guerrero however he chooses. First of all, if he thinks he’s going to beat Floyd with that amateurish style of just pressing, throwing wild punches, and dirty tactics, that won’t work. I think Berto just fought the wrong fight. When he boxed, he did well, but fought off the ropes too much. But Floyd can fight off the ropes if he chooses to. Floyd is the most accurate puncher in the history of the sport and Gurerro has no defense, so Floyd is going to have an easy time finding him. Floyd’s stronger, faster, smarter, better on offense and defense; only advantage Gurerro has is that he’s taller,” stated world-class trainer Jeff Mayweather, who gave us an update from training camp as Floyd Mayweather continues to put in hard work for his upcoming May 4 return to the ring when he takes on top challenger Robert Guerrero. Check out what else he had to say!

SS: Under a month to go until Floyd takes on Guerrero. What is the mood and atmosphere around the camp?

JM: The atmosphere is great. Typical Mayweather camp; very crowded, lots of people wanting to get a peek any way they can, and Floyd is looking awesome as always, extremely strong, and timing is impeccable. He’s a surgeon in the ring too.

SS: Floyd said this is his longest training camp. Is there any particular reason for that?

JM: Yes, he’s not getting any younger and the fighters he’s fighting are much younger, so he has to give himself a mental edge in his own mind. No one works harder, but with age comes wisdom, so it’s a personal mental ploy.

SS: Much has been said about Roger’s role in this camp. How is Roger?

JM: Roger is fine. Roger is actually doing what he always has with Floyd Jr. He’s working the mitts as he always has. I think the rumor got blown out of context.

SS: With yourself, Floyd Sr., and Roger working together, has Roger played his usual part in camp or has he took a step back and let Floyd Sr. run things?

JM: Yes, exactly what you just said is taking place. Floyd Sr. is more vocal, so he will more than likely be the voice of the corner.

SS: Are both Floyd and Roger going to be working in the corner on fight night, or is that still undecided?

JM: Yes, Roger and Floyd will both be working the corner; that’s for sure.

SS: I saw your statement about Floyd looking great in training against bigger guys. Approximately how many rounds has Floyd sparred up to now?

JM: I’m not sure how many rounds Floyd has done and Floyd doesn’t do rounds like any other fighter. Floyd does five to seven-minute rounds and he does as many as he feels on that day, so it’s hard to say how many.

SS: What have you made of Guerrero and his father’s trash talk?

JM: Gurerreo’s dad is loving the spotlight and eating up his 15 minutes of fame because he’s never been under the microscope like this, so he’s eating this moment in time up and there is nothing wrong with that. Big Floyd Sr. always talks trash to get under one’s skin, and obviously it’s working. No one is paying money to see those two fight, so at the end of the day, that’s all it is; just talk.

SS: Guerrero has come out and asked Floyd to stand toe to toe, which Floyd has done in his last few fights. When you spoke with FightHype previously, you said you don’t think Guerrero gives Floyd trouble. Do you think Floyd wins the fight easier if he boxes and moves or if he stays in the pocket and exchanges?

JM: Floyd can go toe to toe with Gurerreo if he wants to and I think he will. He’s not a puncher at all, so I don’t know why he thinks Floyd has to run from him. Floyd is physically stronger by far and can stay in his face and still make him miss. He’s not going to overpower Floyd. If he thinks that, he’s sadly mistaken. Floyd is going to make whatever adjustments he needs to get the job done. Floyd is the smartest fighter on the planet hands down and will dissect him like a science project on fight night.

SS: Guerrero’s aggressive style against Berto worked, but Floyd is on another level to Berto. What in particular do you think Guerrero will struggle with if he came out and fought like he did against Berto?

JM: I think he beats Guerrero however he chooses. First of all, if he thinks he’s going to beat Floyd with that amateurish style of just pressing, throwing wild punches, and dirty tactics, that won’t work. I think Berto just fought the wrong fight. When he boxed, he did well, but fought off the ropes too much. But Floyd can fight off the ropes if he chooses to. Floyd is the most accurate puncher in the history of the sport and Gurerro has no defense, so Floyd is going to have an easy time finding him. Floyd’s stronger, faster, smarter, better on offense and defense; only advantage Gurerro has is that he’s taller. I’ve never seen anyone win with height. Fights are won by skills and Floyd’s skills by comparison is on a completely different level.
 

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Trinidad
Aaron Pryor
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James Toney
Pacquiao

How many is that? I may have missed someone. So I'd think he'd be right around the 19-20 spot, depending on who you prefer out of Oscar, Pac or Floyd.
Pacquiao on the list for best fighters of the past 20 years and you ain't even got Roy Jones Jr?

ETA: I just saw you dedicated a post to the man. I couldn't see it because the screen lagged again. Man I don't know what's going on, switch computers and everything and still as of lately when I try to read a thread and your on the page it loads slow as fuck. You must be on some real commie shit and tryin to hold me back.
 
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Pacquiao on the list for best fighters of the past 20 years and you ain't even got Roy Jones Jr?

ETA: I just saw you dedicated a post to the man. I couldn't see it because the screen lagged again. Man I don't know what's going on, switch computers and everything and still as of lately when I try to read a thread and your on the page it loads slow as fuck. You must be on some real commie shit and tryin to hold me back.
My Golovkin gif is knocking out your computers!
 
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I knew I forgot someone - Roy Jones! He obviously needs to be right around Hopkins.

Floyd can definitely go up since he's not done. Realistically though I'm not sure who out there would really boost his legacy. Obviously if he were to beat Sergio Martinez that would be big, but Floyd said yesterday he won't fight him. Canelo, I guess it depends on how good of a career Canelo has which is anybody's guess now. Pacquiao could still be a good win if Pacquiao were to beat Marquez impressively but doubtful. After that its slim pickings - Alexander, Khan, etc.

Seems very unlikely but he could also hurt his legacy a bit like Roy Jones did. Jones was basically 50-0 winning MW title's to heavyweight. He was Superman. If he would have retired then, jesus he would be viewed as a god. But he was basically the same age as Floyd at 35, got knocked out then of course got knocked out about 5 more times. He was past prime, but still, all those losses seems to have almost wiped the memory of him being Superman.

Again I highly doubt that could happen with Floyd, but if he ends up having any kind of money problems it could keep him in the sport too long.
The reason I am so much higher on Floyd than most is because of his dominance. Kinda like what Roy did before he got ko'd. Roy really didnt beat to many good fighters in his career but because he still dominated and never really got tested he still looked like Superman. Thats kinda how i see Floyd. He has rarely got tested and hasnt really come close to losing although Castillo fight was tough. If he fights a couple more times and win and retire undefeated its gonna be hard not to rank him very high. He is easily the greatest defensive fighter weve seen. His skill level is 2nd to none. And once again atleast to this point no blemishesh to date. Got Em!!
 
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I agree with you for the most part, although I do believe Whitaker was the greatest defensive fighter I've ever seen with my own two eyes, and the Castillo fight is a bit of a blemish (not that losing means everything of course). I guess my point at the end of the day is the quality of fighters on the resume outweighs skill or dominance. Calzaghe for example dominated just about everyone he fought besides Hopkins and Reid, but of course his resume is incredibly thin. I'm not comparing Floyd to Calzaghe of course! Just that Floyd's resume is very good, but far from great, which to me prevents him from the top 20 conversation. Kinda like Roy Jones actually, who beat better opponents than Floyd did (Hopkins, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Virgil Hill).
 
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Thats what i figured out that it seems the resume is the biggest piece for u. For me it is very important also but for me even if u have a great resume and u lost all most of the big fights ala Dela Hoya then u dont really deserve to be considered that great. Like even Hearns for example, dont get me wrong he is great and a damn good fighter but he fought the best but got hammered a few times, to me that still hurts your legacy. Floyd hasnt has that happen to him atleast not yet. But well let Floyd finish out and then we can really see where he is at.U also forgot Mosley on your list also. Got Em!!
 
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Without a really good resume you don't really know how truly a great fighter is. If someone never fights an A+ fighter what do we really know about them? Lots of guys can look great against average or B level fighters.


Hearns is a great because he fought phenomenal fighters and was damn near unbeatable at 147, and of course won titles in multiple. Weight classes. Him losing to other all time greats in Hagler and Leonard doesn't hurt his legacy, especially considering he was beating Leonard until the 14th round in the first fight and should have won the rematch, and Hagler was an ATG war, no shame there for Hearns moving up in weight against such a beast of a man. And of course he brutally knocked out another all time great in Duran, Benitez,etc.
 
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