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Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

By Edward Chaykovsky

The biggest hurdle in making a fall unification between middleweight champions Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, 46-1-1, 32KOs) is the weight.

In today's boxing world, more and more fighters are electing to compete at catch-weights, but the situation at middleweight has been a growing trend in the last two years. It first began when Miguel Cotto captured the WBC middleweight world title in 2014 from Sergio Martinez. That fight took place at 159. Cotto's next fight, against Daniel Geale, was at 157. The fight against Canelo, captured the WBC belt, took place at 155.

Canelo's last four fights have taken place at 155 and the Mexican star, according to his handlers, has no intention at fighting at the full middleweight limit in the near future.

Gennady Golovkin wants 160-pounds for Canelo

Canelo has been ordered by the WBC to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin in the fall. He was allowed to make a voluntary defense on May 7th. Golovkin, who holds the WBA/IBO/IBF world titles, will defend his titles on April 23rd.

Because Golovkin is a mandatory challenger, he is not obligated to agree to any catch-weight. Canelo has to face him or face the possibility of being stripped.

Loeffer is not happy with the growing trend of catch-weights in the middleweight division. He sees no reason for Golovkin to squeeze down to a lower weight, like 155-pounds, when Canelo is the one who actually rehydrates to the larger weight on fight night.

If the fight takes place at 160, Canelo sees that as an advantage for Golovkin. Loeffler disagrees with his opinion on the matter.

"Canelo has just won the title, and they've said they want to make one defence before he fights Gennady to build up the fight. That's where we're at, right now. It's in the writing that Canelo fights Gennady or his status as champion will be vacated by the WBC. What a lot of people don't realise is that Canelo actually fights heavier than Gennady. He'll walk into the ring at 175-pounds even if he weighs in lower, so it's not a disadvantage for him to fight us at 160-pounds," Loeffler explained to Sky Sports.

"I don't understand these smaller guys being considered the lineal middleweight champion - to me, it's ridiculous to have anyone rated above Gennady at middleweight. Then they make all these catchweights - Cotto fought at 157-pounds against Daniel Geale and at 155-pounds against Canelo. In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160-pounds. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight."

"But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title. There's a 50 percent chance of it happening - they could give up the title because they don't want to fight Gennady, but Canelo is a proud warrior who didn't have to fight Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara so he's proven he's not afraid."

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[2-0-Sixx]

If push comes to shove I'm sure they'd settle on a 158 catchweight. Not sure if Canelo would move away from his fake 155 pound weight class though.

 

[battle619]

Team Golovkin: No Negotiating Weight With Canelo, 160 or Vacate

By Edward Chaykovsky

The biggest hurdle in making a fall unification between middleweight champions Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin (34-0, 31KOs) and Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez, 46-1-1, 32KOs) is the weight.

In today's boxing world, more and more fighters are electing to compete at catch-weights, but the situation at middleweight has been a growing trend in the last two years. It first began when Miguel Cotto captured the WBC middleweight world title in 2014 from Sergio Martinez. That fight took place at 159. Cotto's next fight, against Daniel Geale, was at 157. The fight against Canelo, captured the WBC belt, took place at 155.

Canelo's last four fights have taken place at 155 and the Mexican star, according to his handlers, has no intention at fighting at the full middleweight limit in the near future.

Gennady Golovkin wants 160-pounds for Canelo

Canelo has been ordered by the WBC to make a mandatory defense against Golovkin in the fall. He was allowed to make a voluntary defense on May 7th. Golovkin, who holds the WBA/IBO/IBF world titles, will defend his titles on April 23rd.

Because Golovkin is a mandatory challenger, he is not obligated to agree to any catch-weight. Canelo has to face him or face the possibility of being stripped.

Loeffer is not happy with the growing trend of catch-weights in the middleweight division. He sees no reason for Golovkin to squeeze down to a lower weight, like 155-pounds, when Canelo is the one who actually rehydrates to the larger weight on fight night.

If the fight takes place at 160, Canelo sees that as an advantage for Golovkin. Loeffler disagrees with his opinion on the matter.

"Canelo has just won the title, and they've said they want to make one defence before he fights Gennady to build up the fight. That's where we're at, right now. It's in the writing that Canelo fights Gennady or his status as champion will be vacated by the WBC. What a lot of people don't realise is that Canelo actually fights heavier than Gennady. He'll walk into the ring at 175-pounds even if he weighs in lower, so it's not a disadvantage for him to fight us at 160-pounds," Loeffler explained to Sky Sports.

"I don't understand these smaller guys being considered the lineal middleweight champion - to me, it's ridiculous to have anyone rated above Gennady at middleweight. Then they make all these catchweights - Cotto fought at 157-pounds against Daniel Geale and at 155-pounds against Canelo. In our particular instance against Canelo there wouldn't be any negotiations about the weight. It would be two middleweight champions fighting each other at 160-pounds. Now if Canelo vacates the title and it becomes a voluntary fight down the road in 2017, then anything is negotiable - the money, location and weight."

"But under current circumstances he is mandated to defend his middleweight title. There's a 50 percent chance of it happening - they could give up the title because they don't want to fight Gennady, but Canelo is a proud warrior who didn't have to fight Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara so he's proven he's not afraid."

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Canelo has always given the fans what they want, a fighter who is always willing to challenge himself in the ring and win. When was the last time GGG has done that? Not even Loeffler can say that about his fighter, but he did about Canelo. At the end of the day, it's a business. The amount of money this fight can generate, Canelo deserves way more money than GGG, yet GGG has done nothing about it to prove he deserves a huge piece of the pie. He wasn't the 21 year old who fought a very experienced 6 time champ, future HOF'er, he didn't have to do a catchweight to make the second biggest fight ever watched, and fought nothing but fighters at their prime in between. Canelo did. What people need to do is start pressuring GGG to start challenging himself as to always play it safe. That's why his ppv numbers were so low. Just imagine how big GGG would have been if he fought and beat Ward? Whatevers...

 

[heyzel]

Top prospect Erickson Lubin showing star power heading into first bout as headliner
Jan 25, 2016 By Lem Satterfield



Erickson Lubin was a high school senior when he signed a professional boxing contract on his 18th birthday. The Orlando, Florida, native debuted the next month with a 35-second knockout … followed six weeks later by a 61-second stoppage … followed 34 days later by yet another first-round KO.


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Erickson Lubin drops his "Jackhammer" on Alexis Camacho on November 28 in Dallas. The right hook sent Camacho to the canvas, earning Lubin a second-round KO. (Suzanne Teresa/Premier Boxing Champions)



“I was still living with my parents when I decided to turn pro and leave for Miami, which is pretty unusual,” says Lubin, who turned 18 on October 1, 2013, then ripped off successive knockouts of Eric De Jesus (November 2013), Luis Santiago (January 2014) and Robert Acevedo (February 2014).

“During high school homecoming, the holidays and New Year’s Eve, I was in the gym training for fights. But I had no problem with that. It’s the kind of sacrifice you have to make if you want to accomplish your dream of being a world champion and being the best.”

There was one entity, however, that was none too pleased with Lubin’s decision to sign with handler Henry Rivalta and Mike Tyson's now-defunct promotional company Iron Mike Productions: USA Boxing.

As an amateur, Lubin was considered America’s best medal hopeful for the 2016 Olympics. That was significant because USA Boxing, which was shut out at the 2012 London Games, hasn’t had a medalist of any kind since Deontay Wilder earned bronze in 2008. Moreover, the nation hasn’t had a gold medalist since Andre Ward in 2004.

“Team USA wanted to keep Erickson, and every promoter from Top Rank to Golden Boy wanted him. We offered financial security,” says Rivalta, who co-manages Lubin with Garry Jonas. “We taught Erickson to manage his money and promised him that by the time of the [2016] Olympics, he would be 14-0 or 15-0 and a contender.”

Erickson Lubin certainly is on track to fulfill his manager’s prediction: With the Olympics less than than seven months away, the 154-pound prospect stands at 13-0 with 10 KOs. He’ll look to keep that perfect record intact when he takes on Jose De Jesus Macias (18-4-2, 9 KOs) on Sunday night (Bounce TV, 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT) at Seminole Casino Hotel Immokalee in Immokalee, Florida.

The scheduled 10-rounder will be Lubin’s first as a headliner, and it follows a busy 2015 during which the southpaw went 5-0, including four consecutive stoppages to cap the year: Kenneth Council (first-round KO, March 6), Ayi Bruce (first-round KO, June 26), Orlando Lora (sixth-round TKO, September 18) and Alexis Camacho (second-round KO, November 28).

Given Lubin’s performances over the past two years, it’s easy to understand why USA Boxing officials were miffed that he decided to turn pro. It’s also easy to understand why Lubin made the choice that he did.

Now at the rip old age of 20, the heavy-handed Lubin not only is on the fast track to contender status, but "The Hammer” appears destined for a title shot before long. In a sense, Lubin's career is progressing along a path similar to that of a devastating puncher of yesteryear.

“Erickson will be a world champion by the time he’s 21 years old,” says adviser Luis DeCubas. “Andre Ward’s a great boxer, but not too many younger guys can chase and beat down grown men like Erickson does.

“This kid not only has the skills, but also the tenaciousness and a nastiness about him that reminds me of Mike Tyson.”

Lubin embraces such a comparison.

“It’s motivation to hear people say I’m ‘the next this person’ or ‘the next that person,’ when realistically, I’m the next Erickson Lubin,” he says. “I want to go out there and make a name for myself, and maybe be better than anyone. I want to go down as one of a kind.”

Ironically, Lubin’s confidence is tempered in part because of an ongoing personal relationship with Tyson.

“I definitely idolize and learn a lot from Mike Tyson. He’s a mentor,” Lubin says of the man who at the age of 20 in 1986 became the youngest heavyweight champion in history. “He’s been to my fights, comes over to give me hugs, genuinely saying I should learn from his mistakes, telling me what to do and not to do, what to say and not to say.”

While it’s true that Lubin has yet to be matched against a contender with his skill set or future promise, it’s also true that every opponent he’s faced as a pro has entered the ring with a winning record. That will continue with Macias, who is coming off a narrow split-decision loss to veteran Alejandro Barrera in October, but had been on a 13-0-1 run before that.

“Facing better fighters has given me confidence,” says Lubin, who calls his right hand the “Jackhammer” and his left the “Sledgehammer.” “I'll be in a championship fight one day, and when that happens, I’ll be more than ready.”



Top prospect Erickson Lubin showing star power heading into first bout as headliner

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Canelo has always given the fans what they want, a fighter who is always willing to challenge himself in the ring and win. When was the last time GGG has done that? Not even Loeffler can say that about his fighter, but he did about Canelo. At the end of the day, it's a business. The amount of money this fight can generate, Canelo deserves way more money than GGG, yet GGG has done nothing about it to prove he deserves a huge piece of the pie. He wasn't the 21 year old who fought a very experienced 6 time champ, future HOF'er, he didn't have to do a catchweight to make the second biggest fight ever watched, and fought nothing but fighters at their prime in between. Canelo did. What people need to do is start pressuring GGG to start challenging himself as to always play it safe. That's why his ppv numbers were so low. Just imagine how big GGG would have been if he fought and beat Ward? Whatevers...

You're everything that is wrong with boxing.

One word battle, MANDATORY. That's it. Anything else is bullshit excuses, period.

 

[TrEmEnDo InDo]

Catchweight's need to Stop.

We all Agree right?

 

[battle619]

@2-0-Sixx You go out there, get a job, do everything your boss tells you to do and then some, and you lose your job posting over a another co-worker who you and everyone know has put in less work than you but he/she gets it because of seniority. Are you okay with that? You put in all that hard work and yet you lose a promotion all because of seniority. The purse split between these 2 fighters would be unfair knowing that Canelo is the biggest draw in sports right now and yet GGG wants up to maybe half of that when he hasn't put in the work for it. Put yourself in Canelo's shoes and tell me what you think?

 

[battle619]

Catchweight's need to Stop.

We all Agree right?

Yes, catchweights need to stop. That's up to the SB's. If both fighters agree to it, non of us can say shit about it. I don't like it but when fighters do accept catchweights and sacrifice their bodies to make the fights we all want to see, then we can't sit here and say it's all bad. These catchweigh fights are drawing the biggest ppv buys. All fighters do it for the money and their families. People want to talk shit about what Cotto has done to the middle weight division but he made it the most popular division in boxing. Mayweather and Manny made millions of dollars doing that and brought all the attention and money to them and the welterweights. If the SB's stop accepting catchweights then it would make it more competitive, but more than likely we wouldn't see the fights we all ask for.

 

[naner12]

@2-0-Sixx You go out there, get a job, do everything your boss tells you to do and then some, and you lose your job posting over a another co-worker who you and everyone know has put in less work than you but he/she gets it because of seniority. Are you okay with that? You put in all that hard work and yet you lose a promotion all because of seniority. The purse split between these 2 fighters would be unfair knowing that Canelo is the biggest draw in sports right now and yet GGG wants up to maybe half of that when he hasn't put in the work for it. Put yourself in Canelo's shoes and tell me what you think?

This would be all well and good if fighters were paid commensurate to their talents but we all know that's not the case.

I mean just imagine if your a guy from Kazakhstan and worked your entire life and perfecting your craft. Compete in the Olympics and win a silver medal, turn pro and fight in the shadows because no one puts a legitimate promotional machine to fighters from your country. Then because of your style and personality you finally make it to the states and start making real money. Imagine you fought your way into titles, fought a guy in Rubio that was a mandatory challenger getting paid step aside money for years just so you can get a crack at the WBC champion. Then people tell you that you don't deserve that payday from Canelo, even though the WBC's own rules state that if a major title holder becomes their mandatory challenger and the fight goes to a purse bid that it will be a 50/50 split. Put yourself in Golovkin's shoes and tell me what you think?

 

[TrEmEnDo InDo]

I don't see it that way. Get rid of catchweight fights. We'll still see the best fighting the best with no excuses to follow.

Floyd is gone. Manny and Cotto are on their way out, let's use this opportunity to tighten up the sport not continue eating bullshit because of money talk.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx You go out there, get a job, do everything your boss tells you to do and then some, and you lose your job posting over a another co-worker who you and everyone know has put in less work than you but he/she gets it because of seniority. Are you okay with that? You put in all that hard work and yet you lose a promotion all because of seniority. The purse split between these 2 fighters would be unfair knowing that Canelo is the biggest draw in sports right now and yet GGG wants up to maybe half of that when he hasn't put in the work for it. Put yourself in Canelo's shoes and tell me what you think?

Oh give me a break. Canelo is one of the highest paid fighters in the sport. He's had a huge promotional company backing him since he was 16 years old, because he had red hair and could fight. He's made massive amounts of money. And you compare that to losing a job because poor Canelo has to defend his title?? The fuck is wrong with you!? Let's not pretend you weren't always on Floyd's case about mandatories either, hypocrite. If anything your lame analogy applies to Golovkin, who despite being the best in his weight class was repeatedly avoided by the big names time and time again. Has Canelo ever had that problem? Fuck no.

Golovkin has patently waited his turn for how long? Four years, more if you count the 5 years he spent chasing Sturm in Germany. So that's 9 years he's waited to get a crack at a significant title and at least four years for the lineal title and he's been mandatory for the WBC since he beat Rubio. Not one person is more deserving for the WBC/lineal middleweight crown than Golovkin is.

Again, if Canelo doesn't want to defend his MIDDLEWEIGHT BELT then he should drop the belt and continue to fight in his made up weight class of 155 pounds that he struggles to even make in the first place. And Golovkin has said as much, fight me or vacate, simple.

 

[heyzel]

Dan Rafael chat wrap 1/29:

- Garcia is not too small for welterweight. He is fast and a good puncher. Plus, many other current WW's came from lower divisions as well.
- 12k tickets accounted for at the Garcia-Guerrero fight included tons and tons of comped tickets (fan wrote in saying he works for an LA car dealership and PBC people came by and were giving tickets to whoever wanted them).
- Cotto vs. JMM is being discussed. Likely take place in the low 150's.
- Other than a few vocal minority, no one wants to see a crap Lara-GGG fight.
- Does not buy Loeffler when he says they will not negotiate weight at all with Canelo.
- Khan is Garcia's WBC mandatory. If the WBC follows its own rules, they will enforce that fight. We will see.
- Mayfield is excited and confident in his fight vs. Mikhaylenko. He was in good shape, which is why he took the fight on short notice.
- Most people think Kovalev is going to destroy Pascal. He is picking Kovalev by KO.
- Kovalev does not care about any of the comments Pascal makes.
- Hates seeing kids of fighters at their fights (in response to if Pascal will bring his daughter again).
- Pascal winning is an upset, but not a huge upset.
- Told the Montreal arena is near a sellout.
- No news on who Luis Ortiz will fight next. GB is searching for an opponent. GB would do a fight vs. Stiverne in a second. Don King is asking for outlandish requests to make that fight.
- Don King is not a benefit to any of his fighters at this point.
- Trout vs. Cotto rematch is a good fight, but RN and PBC won't likely be working together.
- He is a Joe Calzaghe fan and respects what he accomplished. However, a prime RJJ would destroy Calzaghe.
- The Ward vs. Barrera fight is not 100% finalized, contrary to what others are saying.
- Who would he like to see Anthony Joshua fight next? Chisora.
- Least likely to fight in 2016: RJJ, Toney, or Mikey Garcia? Garcia.
- Decent change GGG vs. Wade will take place. Awful fight in his opinion.
- From his personal dealings with Kovalev does not believe he is racist.
- The how much money does PBC have left is still a wait and see scenario. To him, the numbers do not bode well.
- PBC has some fighters less active than they would like to be.
- PBC likely won't have NBC or ESPN fights until April.
- PBC's legacy? Right now they have spent a lot of money with little to show for it. It just is sort of there. It hasn't been great or bad for the sport of boxing.
- The Bounce card is weak overall. He thinks the world of Lubin as a prospect, but he isn't main event material yet.
- Donaire will likely face Zsolt Bedak next.
- The idea of HBO/Showtime doing a joint PPV for Kovalev-Stevenson is ridiculous. You do those for massive events where there is no other choice. It would set a bad precedent. It just isn't that big of a fight PPV wise. Stevenson's side asked Main Events for a guarantee and Main Events agreed.
- Stevenson's next opponent is likely Eleider Alvarez or Fonfara.
- Roc Nation did a time buy with BET, but has only done one show so far.
- Soto and Vargas are talking, but nothing definitive. Both sides want the fight. It needs HBO to support it (it is a fight they should support).
- Canelo's opponent for May won't take long. They are working on it.
- Wilder says he would go to Russia if he had to vs. Povetkin. If Wilder vacates his title to face Martin and avoids Povetkin his reputation would be shattered and would be known as a ducker.
- Current fighter whose life makes the best screenplay? Hopkins.
- Judah's fight is off. Zab has turned down multiple fight offers and is likely to buy himself out of his contract.
- Judah for the HOF? Zero chance.
- Michael Moorer vs. Riddikk Bowe? Bowe by KO.
- The Thurman vs. Porter card is going to be presented as: Showtime Boxing on CBS, presented by PBC. It is a hybrid show, with Showtime announcers, and PBC elements, and whatever the heck that means. PBC's press release was vague and they will not respond to any media requests. Believes that both PBC and Showtime are both contributing money to make an expensive fight.
- Many people in the boxing industry and boxers read his chats.
- Favorite Margarito moment? Watching Cotto and Mosley kick the crap out of him.
- Absolutely believes Margarito fought with loaded gloves.
- Mike Alvarado is looking to make a comeback and likely will do so in the next few months.
- Rob Brant had a good showing. Not sure of how good he will become, but he is interesting to watch.
- Best heavyweight fight he has attended? Probably Lewis-Klitschko.
- Better career: Hopkins or ODH? Hopkins.
- If Chocolatito vs. Estrada 2 happens, it won't be until the second half of the year.
- Valdez vs. Gradovich? Good step up for Valdez, he should win handily.

 

[T-Rip]

Oh give me a break. Canelo is one of the highest paid fighters in the sport. He's had a huge promotional company backing him since he was 16 years old, because he had red hair and could fight. He's made massive amounts of money. And you compare that to losing a job because poor Canelo has to defend his title?? The fuck is wrong with you!? Let's not pretend you weren't always on Floyd's case about mandatories either, hypocrite. If anything your lame analogy applies to Golovkin, who despite being the best in his weight class was repeatedly avoided by the big names time and time again. Has Canelo ever had that problem? Fuck no.

Golovkin has patently waited his turn for how long? Four years, more if you count the 5 years he spent chasing Sturm in Germany. So that's 9 years he's waited to get a crack at a significant title and at least four years for the lineal title and he's been mandatory for the WBC since he beat Rubio. Not one person is more deserving for the WBC/lineal middleweight crown than Golovkin is.

Again, if Canelo doesn't want to defend his MIDDLEWEIGHT BELT then he should drop the belt and continue to fight in his made up weight class of 155 pounds that he struggles to even make in the first place. And Golovkin has said as much, fight me or vacate, simple.

lol Battle owned once again. I think funniest thing ever was either Naner or Heyzel said battle is to dumb to explain things to.

Whos really left in the Middleweight division? That fucken division was depleted before Canelo decided he finally was gonna fight at 160. I dont know whos the bigger bitch these days Oscar or Canelo. I do know Oscar never avoided anybody when he fought

 

[naner12]

It's gonna be Ortiz Vs. Dimitrenko

The search for an opponent willing to face heavyweight power-puncher Luis Ortiz is over. Alexander Dimitrenko has stepped up.

According to multiple sources directly involved in the deal, the Dimitrenko camp accepted an offer from Golden Boy Promotions – and HBO has approved the match – on Saturday for Dimitrenko to challenge Ortiz for his interim heavyweight belt on March 5 in the main event of a “Boxing After Dark” card at the DC Armory in Washington, D.C.

Finding an opponent willing to step into the ring to face “The Real King Kong,” a massive-punching Cuban southpaw with good boxing skills, a good chin and a deep amateur background, has proved to be very difficult since he crushed contender Bryant Jennings in a seventh-round knockout on Dec. 19.

Golden Boy Promotions offered the fight to several candidates, including Andy Ruiz, Andrey Fedosov, Carlos Takam, Alexander Ustinov and former world titleholder Bermane Stiverne, but was rebuffed time and again.

Dimitrenko and promoter Greg Cohen, however, accepted the fight. Golden Boy is awaiting a signed contract, but the terms have been agreed to.

The 6-foot-4, 235-pound Ortiz (24-0, 21 KOs), 36, who lives in Miami, will be defending his interim belt for the second time.

The 6-foot-7, 254-pound Dimitrenko (38-2, 24 KOs), 33, of Russia, has won six fights in a row since suffering an 11th-round knockout to former world title challenger Kubrat Pulev for the vacant European title in May 2012 in Germany. His only other defeat came via majority decision to former world title challenger Eddie Chambers in 2009.

The HBO co-feature on March 5 is slated to be Sadam Ali (22-0, 13 KOs) against Jessie Vargas (26-1, 9 KOs) for a soon-to-be-vacant welterweight world title.
___

Love that Ali Vs. Vargas fight too.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

lol Battle owned once again. I think funniest thing ever was either Naner or Heyzel said battle is to dumb to explain things to.

Whos really left in the Middleweight division? That fucken division was depleted before Canelo decided he finally was gonna fight at 160. I dont know whos the bigger bitch these days Oscar or Canelo. I do know Oscar never avoided anybody when he fought

Which is why its sad to see Oscar turn into the promoter who obviously doesn't want canelo in this fight. I just hope there is some serious backlash against Canelo if he turns down the fight. Fighters need to be punished for this kind of behavior not rewarded and Mexicans are known for being warriors who will never back down from a challenge, I would only expect/hope the mexican boxing fans would recognize this and turn against him (like they did against bitch ass chavez jr.!)

 

[battle619]

This would be all well and good if fighters were paid commensurate to their talents but we all know that's not the case.

I mean just imagine if your a guy from Kazakhstan and worked your entire life and perfecting your craft. Compete in the Olympics and win a silver medal, turn pro and fight in the shadows because no one puts a legitimate promotional machine to fighters from your country. Then because of your style and personality you finally make it to the states and start making real money. Imagine you fought your way into titles, fought a guy in Rubio that was a mandatory challenger getting paid step aside money for years just so you can get a crack at the WBC champion. Then people tell you that you don't deserve that payday from Canelo, even though the WBC's own rules state that if a major title holder becomes their mandatory challenger and the fight goes to a purse bid that it will be a 50/50 split. Put yourself in Golovkin's shoes and tell me what you think?

If I'm in GGG's shoes, I would have never taken step aside money from Cotto. Period. He decided to take it, and renegotiate with GBP's because he knows his value is going down. That's where Loeffler fucked up. What do you think would have happened if GGG fought and beat Cotto? Or became a paper champ? K2 would have been forced to fight at a heavier weight class to make the big bucks. But instead he took the step aside money and now he has to deal with it

 

[battle619]

Oh give me a break. Canelo is one of the highest paid fighters in the sport. He's had a huge promotional company backing him since he was 16 years old, because he had red hair and could fight. He's made massive amounts of money. And you compare that to losing a job because poor Canelo has to defend his title?? The fuck is wrong with you!? Let's not pretend you weren't always on Floyd's case about mandatories either, hypocrite. If anything your lame analogy applies to Golovkin, who despite being the best in his weight class was repeatedly avoided by the big names time and time again. Has Canelo ever had that problem? Fuck no.

Golovkin has patently waited his turn for how long? Four years, more if you count the 5 years he spent chasing Sturm in Germany. So that's 9 years he's waited to get a crack at a significant title and at least four years for the lineal title and he's been mandatory for the WBC since he beat Rubio. Not one person is more deserving for the WBC/lineal middleweight crown than Golovkin is.

Again, if Canelo doesn't want to defend his MIDDLEWEIGHT BELT then he should drop the belt and continue to fight in his made up weight class of 155 pounds that he struggles to even make in the first place. And Golovkin has said as much, fight me or vacate, simple.

Why do I have to keep saying that I have posted in here that I said that Floyd was fighter of the year in 2013 for fighting his mandatories while you named GGG fighter of that year for having good ratings on HBO. It's not that Canelo doesn't want to fight GGG, but GGG definitely doesn't deserve a 50/50 split for a title shot. That's why K2 back off from forcing a fight this May. If they were to force it, canelo would have dropped the title, GGG would become a paper champ, and forced to move up in weight class to make more money. Does K2 want that? No. It's GGG's fault for accepting step aside money.

 

[naner12]

Why do I have to keep saying that I have posted in here that I said that Floyd was fighter of the year in 2013 for fighting his mandatories while you named GGG fighter of that year for having good ratings on HBO. It's not that Canelo doesn't want to fight GGG, but GGG definitely doesn't deserve a 50/50 split for a title shot. That's why K2 back off from forcing a fight this May. If they were to force it, canelo would have dropped the title, GGG would become a paper champ, and forced to move up in weight class to make more money. Does K2 want that? No. It's GGG's fault for accepting step aside money.

I don't think you understand what a paper champ means. Paper champ = Broner @ 140 getting a vacant title shot against a guy coming off a loss in a division he wasn't campaigning in. Paper champ isn't a unified titlist getting a title to which he's the mandatory for because the guy that holds it refuses to fight him.

GGG is a legitimate champ right now, he doesn't become a paper champ because Canelo/GBP refuse a fight with him. Doesn't work that way.

 

[naner12]

If I'm in GGG's shoes, I would have never taken step aside money from Cotto. Period. He decided to take it, and renegotiate with GBP's because he knows his value is going down. That's where Loeffler fucked up. What do you think would have happened if GGG fought and beat Cotto? Or became a paper champ? K2 would have been forced to fight at a heavier weight class to make the big bucks. But instead he took the step aside money and now he has to deal with it

He doesn't have to deal with anything. This is such a dumb argument. Do you know what step aside money does? It's money paid to a challenger so the champion can make a voluntary defense of the title, and when that voluntary defense is done you're still the mandatory challenger. Him accepting step aside money doesn't disqualify him from his mandatory challenger position.

The sad part is he was probably naive in accepting these deals thinking one of these guys were eventually going to come around and make the fight happen. If you think GGG is the one that's going to come out looking bad if he forces a purse bid with Canelo and Canelo declines and instead drops his title you're even more delusional than I ever imagined.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Right. The alternative was Cotto dropping the belt entirely, that's why they took the step aside money so that Cotto vs Canelo could happen, which was a big fight everyone wanted to see. And we know 100% for fact Cotto was willing to drop the belt since HE DID JUST THAT three days before the fight, to try and weasel out of paying the step aside money (which he was forced to do anyway).

That's pretty lame battle, trying to blame Golovkin for Canelo not wanting to fight.