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Jae iLL

Jae iLL

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swoop187 said:
The rest of the post was partisan propaganda.

The idea that the US is punishing nations for NOT subscribing to our brand of economics is propaganda.



Name one asset or resource we extorted out of another nation?
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Everything you post is partisan propaganda, and you missed what I was gettin at completely. Maybe it's cuz English is my second language, but I think you were just trying to ignore it.

Anyway, I keep saying westerners because it's bigger than just the US. But I'll give you an example, United Fruit. Jacobo Arbenz the elected president of Guatemala paid them the tax-declared value of the land to give to the people of Guatemala in the 50s, United Fruit lobbied the United States to do something about it. One of the stockholders was Allen Welsh Dulles.

Operation PBFORTUNE was drafted by the CIA which led to PBSUCCESS and the power of Castillo Armas who gave the land back to United Fruit and abolished the tax on interest and dividends to foreign investors. Granted, he was Guatemalan, but he was backed by the CIA and Guatemala was punished for "not subscribing to our brand of economics". You can call it propaganda all you want, but the documentation is there if you want to look for it.

Another example, also from the 50s, Iran and Mohammed Mosaddeq and the nationalization of Iran's oil industry which led to the overthrowing of Iran's elected government.

How about Operation Blue Bat also in the 1950s in Lebanon?

What about Cuba, and the Bay of Pigs? This can't all be propaganda, considering every single one of these operations is documented.

Maybe you're just ignorant and really believe that corporations and governments don't extort other nation's of their people's resources and overthrow governments that aren't pro-West.

If you just don't give a fuck, and think rich white men should own the world just go ahead and say that shit man. But don't come on this forum talking shit on petty criminals and trying to say that corporations aint doing the same damn thing on a much larger level. I just gave you a few examples, and there's many many more. You can either call all this shit propaganda, or you could actually educate yourself for a change.


shit, I didn't see merlino's post up above.. anyway, im curious to see what swoop finna say this time tho
 
Neshani

Neshani

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The Duke of Earl said:
do you think people that subscribe to socialism and communism want to change the system of government while keeping the same people in power thus just changing the way they work and the name of kind government ?
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In the past, the old people in government have been murdered when replaced by a communist government. So no, it wouldn't be the same people in power. I believe it would be the same type of people though.

There are different personality types, and those personality types gravitate to different professions. An easy example is fashion designers. Of course there's always a small percentage that breaks the mold, but generally a certain personality type is drawn to that type of job.

The same goes for positions of power. Certain personality types will always be drawn to power, or be better equipped to attain a position of power over less dominant personality types. So you may have a different person in charge, but many of the same flaws will still be in place.

That's my theory at least. History seems to support it.
 
Mr. Nice Guy

Mr. Nice Guy

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swoop187 said:
What?

We gave a free pass to the Saudi's to do whatever they wanted, or in other words we just turn our heads when the little darling princes do something fucked up that we would normally make issue of.
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Not exactly dude.

We provide the Saudis in particular with a great deal of military support (technology, weapons, training, etc). More importantly we provide direct protection for the Saudi Royal family.

Now, because of this agreement, the Saudis have given us direct access to their oil fields. However, this is all done at the expense of the general Saudi population. As a result, there is quiet a bit of turmoil between the royal family and the rest of the population with many opposing factions attempting to exile the current administration (see Osama bin Laden)

Without US protection the Saudi royal family would be dead in a week. They know this and that is why they continue to give us preferred access to their oil at the expense of their own citizens and country.
 
Mr. Nice Guy

Mr. Nice Guy

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Here is a book I would recommend on the subject. It's not excellent but it gives a decent history lesson on some of these resource conflicts as well as speculation of what might occur in the future.



lare analyzes the most likely cause of war in the century just begun: demand by rapidly growing populations for scarce resources. An introductory chapter sets the scene, laying out the complexities of rapidly increasing demand as the world industrializes, the concentration of resources in unstable states and the competing claims to ownership of resources by neighboring states. Succeeding chapters look more closely at the potential for conflict over oil in the Persian Gulf and in the Caspian and South China Seas, over water in the Nile Basin and other multinational river systems and over timber, gems and minerals from Borneo to Sierra Leone. The strength of Klare's presentation is its concreteness. His analyses of likely conflicts, for example among Syria, Jordan and Israel for the limited water delivered by the Jordan River, are informed by detailed research into projected usage rates, population growth and other relevant trends. As Klare shows, the same pattern is repeated in dozens of other locations throughout the world. Finite resources, escalating demand and the location of resources in regions torn by ethnic and political unrest all combine as preconditions of war. Klare, an expert on warfare and international security (Rogue States and Nuclear Outlaws, etc.), presents a persuasive case for paying serious attention to these impending hostilities and furnishes the basic information needed to understand their danger and the importance of international cooperation in staving off conflict. (May) Forecast: Klare's message is important, but it probably won't be heard by many beyond readers of the handful of major newspapers that will review it.
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Mr. Nice Guy

Mr. Nice Guy

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If you guys are interested Michael Klare has a ton of books on the subject of international conflict particularly conflicts over resources.

And since I am getting props on that book plug, I'll drop another related one which I would bet most of you have already read but if not, highly recommended.



John Perkins started and stopped writing Confessions of an Economic Hit Man four times over 20 years. He says he was threatened and bribed in an effort to kill the project, but after 9/11 he finally decided to go through with this expose of his former professional life. Perkins, a former chief economist at Boston strategic-consulting firm Chas. T. Main, says he was an "economic hit man" for 10 years, helping U.S. intelligence agencies and multinationals cajole and blackmail foreign leaders into serving U.S. foreign policy and awarding lucrative contracts to American business. "Economic hit men (EHMs) are highly paid professionals who cheat countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars," Perkins writes. Confessions of an Economic Hit Man is an extraordinary and gripping tale of intrigue and dark machinations. Think John Le Carré, except it's a true story.

Perkins writes that his economic projections cooked the books Enron-style to convince foreign governments to accept billions of dollars of loans from the World Bank and other institutions to build dams, airports, electric grids, and other infrastructure he knew they couldn't afford. The loans were given on condition that construction and engineering contracts went to U.S. companies. Often, the money would simply be transferred from one bank account in Washington, D.C., to another one in New York or San Francisco. The deals were smoothed over with bribes for foreign officials, but it was the taxpayers in the foreign countries who had to pay back the loans. When their governments couldn't do so, as was often the case, the U.S. or its henchmen at the World Bank or International Monetary Fund would step in and essentially place the country in trusteeship, dictating everything from its spending budget to security agreements and even its United Nations votes. It was, Perkins writes, a clever way for the U.S. to expand its "empire" at the expense of Third World citizens.
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GTS

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Mr. Nice Guy said:
If you guys are interested Michael Klare has a ton of books on the subject of international conflict particularly conflicts over resources.

And since I am getting props on that book plug, I'll drop another related one which I would bet most of you have already read but if not, highly recommended.

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i bought that book, haven't read it yet but am looking forward to.
 
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