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Right, and that is obviously the fundamental flaw with swoop187's way of thinking (or lack thereof).

Further, the chances of even surviving and living past 25 years of age in certain areas of Chicago is a challenge in itself, as the murder rate in some places rival that of violent 3rd world countries. You can be straight as an arrow and bust your ass trying to make it and better yourself and end up dead for no good reason at all.
And these people in Chicago are shooting one another because they all want to be known as the baddest bad ass that ever lived.

Those gangbanger motherfuckers deserve to die because they're worthless to humanity.

Furthermore those gangbanger drug dealer fucks are the biggest capitalists around, selling dope on the corner and shit?

The difference between you and me is you see those fools as "victims." The truth is those fucks are responsible for what they do, they aren't victims they're gangbanging lazy fucks living off the hard working mans dime that have an excuse for everything and people like you buy right into it.
 
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haha, wow. So forget the fact that most of these gangbangers and drug dealers as you put it, had very little, if any, education because the city they were born in failed to provide it to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, job opportunities provided to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, healthcare availible to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, positive parental guidance, forget all that stuff. These people chose that path, not because they needed to eat & survive, but because they all wanted to be the biggest & baddest bad asses on the planet?!?!? LMAO you sir are mentally retarded.
 
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haha, wow. So forget the fact that most of these gangbangers and drug dealers as you put it, had very little, if any, education because the city they were born in failed to provide it to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, job opportunities provided to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, healthcare availible to them, forget the fact there were little, if any, positive parental guidance, forget all that stuff. These people chose that path, not because they needed to eat & survive, but because they all wanted to be the biggest & baddest bad asses on the planet?!?!? LMAO you sir are mentally retarded.
Are you fucking delusional?

These mental midgets in Chicago DON'T WANT TO GET EDUCATED, you could provide these criminals with the best education possible and they would still refuse to learn anything WHY????? because they would rather be on the block getting drunk, high, selling drugs.

Why you think Chicago has charter schools? because they have to separate the smart kids who have a chance from the criminal gangbangers. Fuck, most of the schools in Chicago are nothing more then daycare centers for juvenile delinquents.

These people have problems because they refuse to conform to society, they have their own little reality called the ghetto and they play by their own politics in the ghetto.

Ghetto politics don't mesh well with mainstream America.
 
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There is absolutely ZERO justification for the behavior of the criminals in Chicago.

People do fucked up shit, they're responsible for it.

Of course liberals and the far left in general has a fucking excuse for everything because they FEAR responsibility, EVERYTHING is ALWAYS someone elses fault.

Fucking pathetic.

Grow up and depend on your self, don't go around EXPECTING others to provide for you. Thats exactly what you fools preach and thats exactly what you fools are doing.

Its absolutely disgusting!
 
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Are you fucking delusional?

These mental midgets in Chicago DON'T WANT TO GET EDUCATED, you could provide these criminals with the best education possible and they would still refuse to learn anything WHY????? because they would rather be on the block getting drunk, high, selling drugs.

Why you think Chicago has charter schools? because they have to separate the smart kids who have a chance from the criminal gangbangers. Fuck, most of the schools in Chicago are nothing more then daycare centers for juvenile delinquents.

These people have problems because they refuse to conform to society, they have their own little reality called the ghetto and they play by their own politics in the ghetto.

Ghetto politics don't mesh well with mainstream America.


i bet you know were to get the best crystal meth in chicago
 
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Then you should know very well the people in southside chicago have very little chance at success because of the limited opportunities which are provided to them. Lack of decent education, poverty, gangs/violence, broken homes, etc etc etc etc etc. A person born in south chicago does not have the same opportunities of a rich kid on the north side whose parents send them to the best private schools money can buy and further into college, etc.

You can slang gangsta rap CD's all you want good luck making the forbes list with that.

The people on the list are born into certain circumstances that allow them to succeed, or a smaller percentage of them are very, very lucky.

3rd Safest City in America

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20081208/ai_n31114973/

Bus ticket from Chicago to El Paso = $120

3br House for Rent $675 a month ($125 a person)

Damage deposit $500 ($167 a person)

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/apa/1428313756.html

Available jobs

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/jjj/

I meet people all the time who make it from Southern Mexico and Guatemala to Seattle with little more than the clothes on the their backs and now they have jobs making $20 an hour. If they can do it, someone can make it out of Southside Chicago.


Am I denying circumstances make a difference? No. I think Malcolm Gladwell did a great job of showing how much circumstances can make a difference in Outliers. That doesn't mean that circumstances are the single source of success and/or failure or that we shouldn't expect people to try and better their own environments.
 
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3rd Safest City in America

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20081208/ai_n31114973/

Bus ticket from Chicago to El Paso = $120

3br House for Rent $675 a month ($125 a person)

Damage deposit $500 ($167 a person)

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/apa/1428313756.html

Available jobs

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/jjj/

I meet people all the time who make it from Southern Mexico and Guatemala to Seattle with little more than the clothes on the their backs and now they have jobs making $20 an hour. If they can do it, someone can make it out of Southside Chicago.


Am I denying circumstances make a difference? No. I think Malcolm Gladwell did a great job of showing how much circumstances can make a difference in Outliers. That doesn't mean that circumstances are the single source of success and/or failure or that we shouldn't expect people to try and better their own environments.
People can and do make it out of the ghetto all the time but it all comes down to the fact that they worked hard, stuck with the 5-year plan and stayed away from the ghetto politics.

I mean you cant force people to choose a legal successful life over selling drugs and gangbanging.

Yes - Gangbanging and selling drugs is quite profitable but at the same time it makes you dead or spending quality time in a 6x9.

People have to make that choice and the people who make the wrong choice are no victims.

I mean there are plenty of black folk who work hard making minimum wage while some punk is on the block making 100x what that person does in a day, but its a choice.
 
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3rd Safest City in America

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20081208/ai_n31114973/

Bus ticket from Chicago to El Paso = $120

3br House for Rent $675 a month ($125 a person)

Damage deposit $500 ($167 a person)

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/apa/1428313756.html

Available jobs

http://elpaso.en.craigslist.org/jjj/

I meet people all the time who make it from Southern Mexico and Guatemala to Seattle with little more than the clothes on the their backs and now they have jobs making $20 an hour. If they can do it, someone can make it out of Southside Chicago.


Am I denying circumstances make a difference? No. I think Malcolm Gladwell did a great job of showing how much circumstances can make a difference in Outliers. That doesn't mean that circumstances are the single source of success and/or failure or that we shouldn't expect people to try and better their own environments.
While in the broad picture this is all correct has to lok at the psyche this folks are born with. Many of them are unstable and have low self-esteem. On top of that, their motivation in life is stuck at the bottom of the pyramid, which is just survive. You and I have discussed human nature and we both know that where someone mind is at is a huge difference in making it and giving up.
 

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Just to put things in perspective, thousands of people take trains from Pennsylvania, New Jersey and the likes to go work in NYC daily.

So a car as a necessity is still up for debate.
Read what you're quoting again. I specifically said if other forms of transportation were not available.

no alternative forms of transportation are avilable
 
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While in the broad picture this is all correct has to lok at the psyche this folks are born with. Many of them are unstable and have low self-esteem. On top of that, their motivation in life is stuck at the bottom of the pyramid, which is just survive. You and I have discussed human nature and we both know that where someone mind is at is a huge difference in making it and giving up.
You couldn't tell your asshole from a wall outlet and you want to talk about the human psyche as if one person has the same outlook on life as the other.

You ever hear the term "is the glass half full or half empty?"

You ever hear of the word "humble?"
 
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I bet I could find your mom on the block sucking dick for crack.
swoop187 said:
You couldn't tell your asshole from a wall outlet


It takes away any credibility you may have when you throw out irrelevant and unsubstantiated criticisms

Especially you when you said this in another thread

Remember

Swoop187 said:
Yea, keep on talking shit.

You're being a typical liberal.

"When in doubt and have nothing else to say and no defense for the essence of ones opinons - talk shit"
:confused:

^^man I like the old "confused" smiley much better
 
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You couldn't tell your asshole from a wall outlet and you want to talk about the human psyche as if one person has the same outlook on life as the other.
When a person is born in environment of despair, then environment has A LOT to do with how a person is shaped. This is well documented, so yell at the experts, not me cock nose.

You ever hear the term "is the glass half full or half empty?"

You ever hear of the word "humble?"
This has nothing to do with anything.

Thanks.
 
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I'm getting sick of the socialists and communists crying because others have used capitalism to get rich.

I mean, God forbid if someone has more then you do.

The difference between those "evil rich bastards" and you liberals, communists and socialists is the fact that those "rich bastards" took risks in life while the liberals, communists and socialists DID NOTHING to get ahead in life.

Lets also not forget that these wealthy people are the ones who put FOOD on your table.

Hate them all you want but all they have to do is move their business and money elsewhere and you crybabies are up shit-creek.
Let's not forget that the workers are the one's putting FOOD on the the wealthy people's table.

Hate them all you want, but if all the workers in the world, especially in third world nations were to stop working for chump change then the people you support so much are "up shit-creek" as you say.
 
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Who cares how much money these rich folks have?

We don't have a set amount of money in this nation, capitalism allows economic growth which means the "money tree" really does exist.

Now CLEARLY those crybaby pussies that cry about others who have more then them are only doing so out of envy.

Fuck them.

If they have a problem with how shit goes then they can stop buying shit and live on a commune.

Furthermore, these fucks who want the rich mans money feel entitled to it and are willing to do nothing for it.

There is absolutely ZERO basis for the "spread the wealth" argument.
Slowly but surely your crazed delusions are coming out in earnest. Its good to see what you really think instead of reading it between the lines of your terribly ignorant posts on socialism and government or pretty much any topic that requires critical thinking and empathy for other human beings.

Yes, you can bust your ass from nothing and own a house and a nice car or have many many nice things in life.

Speaking on "glass half empty/half full", your thinking ignores the FACT that in this economy and with this way of life there MUST be people always at the very bottom half of poverty.

Lets say everyone took your advice and tried to work hard and make more money. Assuming there were jobs for every person in the U.S (unlikely, current unemployment rate hovering at 10%), many people would still be unable to afford a nice house and a nice car. And who are we to deny these people, these clean, decent, hardworking people, a nice house and car?

For these people taking up the lowest paying jobs at 40 hours a week (impossible anyways, given unemployment) they would need higher wages to afford the lifestyle that you yourself are probably trying to attain.

Where is that money going to come from? The labor must be done, or else everything crumbles.

Right now your tiny brain is probably saying:
"Well if everyone is working and spending money then the country is worth more and the labor is worth more and so they can have their higher wages and in fact everyone can have higher wages!".

But no. The money stays concentrated with the names in Forbes. And people at the bottom half of poverty, people probably very much like you, even with a 100% employment rate, probably can't afford that nice house or that nice car that they deserve. But you know what fuck them for being poor and stupid and not ambitious enough anyways they can just be renters until they die and that almost new used car will have to cut it.

And this isn't talking about how miserable and unfulfilled they are personally.
 
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Let's not forget that the workers are the one's putting FOOD on the the wealthy people's table.

Hate them all you want, but if all the workers in the world, especially in third world nations were to stop working for chump change then the people you support so much are "up shit-creek" as you say.
The workers have NO CHOICE but to work, they aren't the ones creating jobs now are they?

Sorry to tell you that businesses aren't in place to employ people. Thats NOT the premise of business at all, its to make money.

Furthermore I wouldn't expect a bunch of retards who work remedial jobs to comprehend business. If they did comprehend it they wouldn't be WORKING minimum wage jobs would they? NO.

Not to mention there will ALWAYS be someone to take a job if you refuse to work based on loathing of capitalism.

I also find it funny how these people who work these low paying jobs turn to unions, unions who are as corrupt as any dickheads like Madoff.

Furthermore plenty of companies treat their employees great with profit sharing and retirement plans, the whole 10 yards. Of course you have to be a loyal employee and stick with the program.

People who make minimum wage are in no position to make demands of any kind because they are doing work reserved for kids.
 
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Slowly but surely your crazed delusions are coming out in earnest. Its good to see what you really think instead of reading it between the lines of your terribly ignorant posts on socialism and government or pretty much any topic that requires critical thinking and empathy for other human beings.

Yes, you can bust your ass from nothing and own a house and a nice car or have many many nice things in life.

Speaking on "glass half empty/half full", your thinking ignores the FACT that in this economy and with this way of life there MUST be people always at the very bottom half of poverty.

Lets say everyone took your advice and tried to work hard and make more money. Assuming there were jobs for every person in the U.S (unlikely, current unemployment rate hovering at 10%), many people would still be unable to afford a nice house and a nice car. And who are we to deny these people, these clean, decent, hardworking people, a nice house and car?

For these people taking up the lowest paying jobs at 40 hours a week (impossible anyways, given unemployment) they would need higher wages to afford the lifestyle that you yourself are probably trying to attain.

Where is that money going to come from? The labor must be done, or else everything crumbles.

Right now your tiny brain is probably saying:
"Well if everyone is working and spending money then the country is worth more and the labor is worth more and so they can have their higher wages and in fact everyone can have higher wages!".

But no. The money stays concentrated with the names in Forbes. And people at the bottom half of poverty, people probably very much like you, even with a 100% employment rate, probably can't afford that nice house or that nice car that they deserve. But you know what fuck them for being poor and stupid and not ambitious enough anyways they can just be renters until they die and that almost new used car will have to cut it.

And this isn't talking about how miserable and unfulfilled they are personally.
Like it or not this is a capitalist nation that relies on capitalism.

If people saw it your way we wouldn't be a capitalist nation would we?

Yea I'm so fucking delusional but only 100's of millions of people agree with me.

The truth is you want something for nothing and thats all there is to it.

You fucking think people should be handed gold for doing absolutely nothing because its FAIR in your mind.

Well in my reality people earn their keep, they aren't handed shit.