Gennady "GGG" Golovkin vs David Lemieux, Oct 17th

[2-0-Sixx]

Of course. I'm sure Golovkin would even be willing to do 157 or 158 when the negotiations actually begin. But Canelo again today is insisting that his "body structure" is not ready for a Golovkin fight and it's probably going to be another year or two before his "body is ready". Which is obviously disappointing. I hope Canelo is ready to be stripped of his title and labeled a ducker. It was no secret Golovkin has been mandatory for some time and everyone knew he gets winner. The WBC is taking a very hard stance again stating the winner has 15 days to accept or reject intentions of fighting Gennady and it doesn't look like they will bend this time (how can they? It's been in writing and in the public that Gennady is mandatory). I just hope the WBC doesn't do so bullshit like strip Canelo, elevate GGG to WBC champion, but then make Canelo WBC emeritus champion, which would obviously defeat the entire purpose.

 

[CZAR]

LOL @ Canelo! The so-called Mexican pride went out the window. he sure aint no JCC, or Marquez lol. I guess thats why he is the Ginger lol. Mr Redhead. He is that white-mexican on Blood Out before he took over lol. Hopefully Canelo grows some balls like that dude did lol. Got Em!!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

LOL @ Canelo! The so-called Mexican pride went out the window. he sure aint no JCC, or Marquez lol. I guess thats why he is the Ginger lol. Mr Redhead. He is that white-mexican on Blood Out before he took over lol. Hopefully Canelo grows some balls like that dude did lol. Got Em!!

His weight from yesterday:

 

[HERESY]

Title fights should not have catchweights.

 

[battle619]

^^^ I agree with you but every fighter does his crazy demands nowadays. Now, the reason I said GGG's ppv numbers were weak is because now he's next in line for the WBC, correct? Whatever ppv numbers come out of the Cotto/Canelo fight will determine how much say the fighters have and how much money will be involved for a fight with whoever wins. You guys think K2 will tell GGG to fight Canelo immediately? Hell no! Canelo will still be regarded as a top fighter @154,(even though he hasn't campaigned at 154 for over a year now), and his fan base will still be bigger than GGG if he was to drop the title. Now, Floyd is retired then why wouldn't he fight Canelo if Canelo wins at catchweight? If Canelo wins he will be the next biggest cash cow in boxing and GGG will have no choice but to listen to his demands. At the end of the day it's all business people.

 

[battle619]

@2-0-Sixx that meme you got of Canelo is stupid because if that's the case GGG weighed in on fight night at 170 and he should be able to fight Ward at 168 easily then correct? So GGG is also a coward?

 

[naner12]

^^^ I agree with you but every fighter does his crazy demands nowadays. Now, the reason I said GGG's ppv numbers were weak is because now he's next in line for the WBC, correct? Whatever ppv numbers come out of the Cotto/Canelo fight will determine how much say the fighters have and how much money will be involved for a fight with whoever wins. You guys think K2 will tell GGG to fight Canelo immediately? Hell no! Canelo will still be regarded as a top fighter @154,(even though he hasn't campaigned at 154 for over a year now), and his fan base will still be bigger than GGG if he was to drop the title. Now, Floyd is retired then why wouldn't he fight Canelo if Canelo wins at catchweight? If Canelo wins he will be the next biggest cash cow in boxing and GGG will have no choice but to listen to his demands. At the end of the day it's all business people.

It is business but you don't give up all the concessions if you have some leverage. The reason Floyd & Manny were able to get away with a lot of that stuff is because they likely kept their actual mandatories paid off and were able to take fights without that restriction. Also their purses were at a point that no one in boxing left right now can really match. These guys were making $20 million+ and the guys they were fighting were still making career high paydays.

Also keep in mind this is a special circumstance where the purse bid will be split 50/50 because of the rule the WBC has in place where if it's a unification fight their champ doesn't get the extra money split (which are sometimes as large as 70/30).

Canelo can make all the demands he likes, but GGG doesn't have to cave in to every single one, especially when you have some leverage on your side.

I know we're talking about this like Canelo's already won, but I think this is going to be a closer fight than everyone else apparently.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@2-0-Sixx that meme you got of Canelo is stupid because if that's the case GGG weighed in on fight night at 170 and he should be able to fight Ward at 168 easily then correct? So GGG is also a coward?

That wasn't his weight on fight night. That was his weight just a few days ago (30 day weight before Cotto fight). Canelo typically weighs 172-174 pounds in the ring.

Golovkin has never fought in ward's division, let alone win a title there. Canelo has, four times and would be the WBC and lineal champion of 160 provided hr beats Cotto. Huge difference.

 

[battle619]

But didn't able Sanchez say if ward fight does happen they would fight at 165? All I'm saying is that all fighters do. And @naner12 a 50/50 split would still be GGG's biggest payday and like I said no one wants to lose money here

 

[2-0-Sixx]

But didn't able Sanchez say if ward fight does happen they would fight at 165? All I'm saying is that all fighters do. And @naner12 a 50/50 split would still be GGG's biggest payday and like I said no one wants to lose money here

Golovkin is not fighting in Ward's division. I'm not sure why you're having a hard time understanding this.

It would be comparable if Golovkin won a world title at 168, and the lineal crown, and then asked Ward to fight him at 161 pounds. Because that's would Canelo would be doing.

 

[naner12]

But didn't able Sanchez say if ward fight does happen they would fight at 165? All I'm saying is that all fighters do. And @naner12 a 50/50 split would still be GGG's biggest payday and like I said no one wants to lose money here

I agree with everything 2-0 is saying about the issue. There's a huge difference with wanting to collect belts + become lineal champion while claiming you're too small for the division and telling a guy in a division you don't fight in that if he wants to fight you it'd have to be at a catchweight.

The only thing I'm worried about is the WBC bitching out here, as they're known to do. I have absolutely no faith in these sanctioning bodies doing the right thing.

At the end of the day though, the difference is that Mayweather or Pacquiao could just have easily not fought those guys if they started demanding anything because those guys had no leverage. Golovkin may not be a money maker at Canelo's level but he's making $2M a fight on his own and he has some leverage. This isn't a situation that can be compared to Mayweather/Pacquiao like you're trying to do because those guys held all the cards, Canelo just doesn't here.

I do find it kind of funny that you're normally the guy running around the forums screaming about SB's enforcing mandatories whenever your personal bias get involved, but here you are giving a million and one reasons why Canelo shouldn't deal with his mandatory should he win the fight. Incredible.

 

[battle619]

I've always said SB's should be way more stricter, but I've also said that fighters do what the fuck they want to do. You see, we are just fans, spectators. What I want to happen vs what's really gonna happen are too totally different things. And you guys need to realize that, too. When I've spoken about SB's forcing mandatories, it was usually an Al Haymon, PBC fight, or Floyd not defending his 154 title. This Cotto vs Canelo fight was bound to happen this year with or without a belt being on the line. It's not about campaigning at 160 for Canelo, it's about Cotto needing a belt and he got one. Any belt Cotto has gives him more leverage during negotiations. Canelo fights 2 meaningless ppv fights and does triple on each what GGG does on a unification and you think Canelo needs to fight GGG if not he's a chicken?

 

[naner12]

When I've spoken about SB's forcing mandatories, it was usually an Al Haymon, PBC fight, or Floyd not defending his 154 title.

LMAO! That's exactly the point I was making.

For the record, I've never called any fighter a coward, chicken, pussy, or anything like that. It takes a lot to get in there for a living knowing you can exit the ring a different person or not at all. I just call like to call bullshit as I see it. If you're going to complain about being too small for the division, then don't campaign in the division and certainly don't make it seem like you're only too small for the division when it pertains to one fighter specifically.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I've always said SB's should be way more stricter, but I've also said that fighters do what the fuck they want to do. You see, we are just fans, spectators. What I want to happen vs what's really gonna happen are too totally different things. And you guys need to realize that, too. When I've spoken about SB's forcing mandatories, it was usually an Al Haymon, PBC fight, or Floyd not defending his 154 title. This Cotto vs Canelo fight was bound to happen this year with or without a belt being on the line. It's not about campaigning at 160 for Canelo, it's about Cotto needing a belt and he got one. Any belt Cotto has gives him more leverage during negotiations. Canelo fights 2 meaningless ppv fights and does triple on each what GGG does on a unification and you think Canelo needs to fight GGG if not he's a chicken?

If Canelo beats Cotto, he will be the WBC middleweight title holder and the lineal middleweight king. So yeah, he needs to fight Golovkin. Fans, especially Mexican boxing fans, don't like ducking. It's not a good look to be king of the middleweight division and be stripped of your belts (even the ring, which is owned by Golden Boy, has stated they will strip Canelo if he doesn't defend against Golovkin). We're talking about a guy who weighs 172-174 pounds in the ring. We're talking about a guy who said the only reason he lost to Floyd was because of the catchweight which weakened him. We're talking about a guy who tried to make the Cotto fight at 156 or 157 pounds because and I quote "I feel 155 is difficult weight for me to make" and yet he's trying to con the public, con Golovkin, con the SBs by saying he isn't a middleweight and that he'll only fight Golovkin at 155? LOL fuck this clown.

 

[battle619]

And it all doesn't matter as long as GGG isn't as big of a star that Canelo is. Canelo, just like GGG, are extremely fan friendly fighters so if Canelo decides to let say drop the title to not fight GGG, it won't affect Canelo not one bit. If anything, it can set up a mega fight in the future just like how we all perceived Floyd was scared of Manny and the fight can be bigger. Listen please, they will fight but just not immediately and if there is a catchweight, be mad at GGG just like how I was mad at Canelo when he did that.

 

[battle619]

@naner12 There is no bias here I'm just stating facts. What we want to happen or what we feel is right isn't necessarily what the fighters and the promoters feel is right for their fighters. And the winner of Cotto vs GGG decides to not fight GGG afterward, then that's GGG's fault for taking step aside money and letting this fight happen.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

And it all doesn't matter as long as GGG isn't as big of a star that Canelo is. Canelo, just like GGG, are extremely fan friendly fighters so if Canelo decides to let say drop the title to not fight GGG, it won't affect Canelo not one bit. If anything, it can set up a mega fight in the future just like how we all perceived Floyd was scared of Manny and the fight can be bigger. Listen please, they will fight but just not immediately and if there is a catchweight, be mad at GGG just like how I was mad at Canelo when he did that.

Be mad at Golovkin for what? For being a middleweight? He's been waiting for his shot at the lineal belt, as well as the WBC belt, for years. I don't care about popularity contests bro, I care about the sport. This is the kind of stuff that pisses me off about boxing. Imagine the super bowl being delayed because the Seahawks said they needed another year or two to be ready for the Patriots. When the sport of boxing has rules and regulations in place, I want those enforced, as any credible sport would do. Only in the whacky sport of boxing does this retarded shit keep happening. Yeah, Mayweather Pacquiao eventually happened but it was 5 fucking years late where it wasn't nearly as significant nor was it as good of a fight as it probably would have been when they fought. Golovkin is 33 years old you really think he wants to stick around waiting for Canelo for another couple years until he feels ready? Hell no, he's going to move on and this fight won't happen at all or it will happen when it doesn't matter anymore. I have no clue how you can defend this kind of fuckery.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

@naner12 There is no bias here I'm just stating facts. What we want to happen or what we feel is right isn't necessarily what the fighters and the promoters feel is right for their fighters. And the winner of Cotto vs GGG decides to not fight GGG afterward, then that's GGG's fault for taking step aside money and letting this fight happen.

Rules are in place battle. Golovkin didn't have a choice, he tried to fight Cotto but Cotto said no and the WBC alloyed another voluntary. How can you fault Golovkin for a decision the WBC made? You can't.

Bottom line is the winner is scheduled to fight Golovkin. Rules are rules, man. Stop defending this crap. If Canelo doesn't want to fight Golovkin, he should go back to 154 pounds. But we all know he won't since he's too big for the division and thinks it's ok to fight in a weight class he invented. Why should Canelo get a pass for that? If Mayweather invented his own weight class you'd have a brain aneurysm.

 

[HERESY]

This nigga battle delusional as fuck, lol.

If Floyd pulled this type of shit you would be going insane right now so relax. Canelo invented his own weight class just like 206 said and if these guys are holding and fighting for belts, in other words, campaigning at that weight, then they need to fight at that weight class and not at a catchweight.

The winner either fights GGG or he drops the strap.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Canelo admits he's too big for 154 but says he's not a middleweight so what does that make him? lol he's trapped in the Canelo weight class? There are so many weight classes in boxing and that has been one of the major criticisms of boxing and this guy Canelo made another weight class just for himself. I've seen my fair share of divas in boxing but this might take the cake.