ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD | OFFICIAL RELEASE | 2011

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This is the Official Online (Youtube) Release of "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" by Peter Joseph. [30 subtitles pending]

On Jan. 15th, 2011, "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward" was released theatrically to sold out crowds in 60 countries; 31 languages; 295 cities and 341 Venues. It has been noted as the largest non-profit independent film release in history.

This is a non-commercial work and is available online for free viewing and no restrictions apply to uploading/download/posting/linking - as long as no money is exchanged.

A Free DVD Torrent of the full 2 hr and 42 min film in 30 languages is also made available through the main website [below], with instructions on how one can download and burn the movie to DVD themselves. His other films are also freely available in this format.
 
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^^^

ive been reading up on the zeigeist movement recently, and i theory it sounds great, but what concrete steps has the movement taken to move forward with its plans?
 
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NovaFire said:
^^^

ive been reading up on the zeigeist movement recently, and i theory it sounds great, but what concrete steps has the movement taken to move forward with its plans?
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Thats a great question for Jacque Fresco and or Peter Joseph..From what i gather,Its up to the people to demand a change.Or,a total system collapse which in return will be dangerous..I guess the movement is in the first steps or bringing light problems of the world and giving logical solutions..If you wanna take steps,the next step would be mass awakening(which is going on) and or the dreaded collapse which is also going on!It really comes down to the people and which direction to take.Gratefully for us,we have a social engineer/inventor to assist with the ideas and better way to think beyond the monetary system.
 
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I didn't see this clip yet but like you said, change has to come from the people it self.
Don't wait on our governments but it would also be foolish to wait on Jacques Fresco.
Take your own steps to be independent of the system and be an inspiration to others, don't wait for another.
 
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iaoish said:
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I didn't see this clip yet but like you said, change has to come from the people it self.
Don't wait on our governments but it would also be foolish to wait on Jacques Fresco.
Take your own steps to be independent of the system and be an inspiration to others, don't wait for another.
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Jacques fresco basically is giving solutions to problems for now.As time goes on there will always be upgrades from our children .And our childrens children would be upgrading there parents.I see the best ways to kill the beast is not to feed it!
 
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Jacques fresco basically is giving solutions to problems for now.As time goes on there will always be upgrades from our children .And our childrens children would be upgrading there parents.I see the best ways to kill the beast is not to feed it!
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Thats still waiting for other people to make the change. I know who Jacques Fresco is, i made a thread a long time ago about his work.
But the change has to come from you, not someone else.
What do you do to stop feeding the system?
 
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To me the whole movement is seriously lacking in leadership. Jacques does not strike me as a works class leader. I don't care how good an idea is, if there is lack of strong leadership behind it, it won't take off.

I also see another problen with the movement, and that is governance. Who, or what will govern the system? Will members operate within existing systems of government and work to change it from within? Will they act on it from the outside?
 
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NovaFire said:
To me the whole movement is seriously lacking in leadership. Jacques does not strike me as a works class leader. I don't care how good an idea is, if there is lack of strong leadership behind it, it won't take off.

I also see another problen with the movement, and that is governance. Who, or what will govern the system? Will members operate within existing systems of government and work to change it from within? Will they act on it from the outside?
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Seriously?do you always need to be lead?I dont.Thats the old alpha male mentality.Once educated up to par there is no need to be lead.There are natural laws and universal laws that is a given.But to be lead?!Jacque is basically helping out people who dont know or is giving people a chance to think with out a box.
Who or what will govern?Now a days technology and the way it is handeled basically does a positive way of managing work these days are they not?The way i see it is in the begining there is going to need all types of work and who ever can work should want to need to work.I asked my daughters this same question"Would they work if the had everything they wanted and needed?They said Yes".In these days of work,The earnings usually goes to surviving like shelter,resources,and maybe a car payment..Wheres the YOU time to do things not normally done...There are gunna be many jobs not needed in a resourced based economy.And many jobs that are needed.But as far as governance, An educated population needs no control..There wont need to be much work being done by humans once technology/automation and robotics are unleashed.There will be a demand for technicians along thta line...
 
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iaoish said:
Thats still waiting for other people to make the change. I know who Jacques Fresco is, i made a thread a long time ago about his work.
But the change has to come from you, not someone else.
What do you do to stop feeding the system?
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i definitely know the change has to come within.I actually felt this way before even watching this documentary zeitgeist or even hearing about Jacque.I have experienced the slave part of this system first hand and its a violent system.With the feelings i had and the insight Jacque provided has just given a solution and more in depth root causes of situations with in the current system and also provides a modern day solution.And not just for one type of people.For ALL!
 
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Polluted, you sound like a brainwashed, religious fanatic. This guy is nothing but a salesman, with an easy sale. "How would you like to do less than what you do today?" Come on man... I agree with breaking away from some of the constraints that society, and the system has built around us, but it has to be gradual. Also, the video throws "absolute truths" at you, expecting you to buy them without a thought or care. I think most people might, because they are fed up with their current situation, but sometimes you have to sit back and really analyze what they're saying from all angles.
 
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Roz said:
Polluted, you sound like a brainwashed, religious fanatic. This guy is nothing but a salesman, with an easy sale. "How would you like to do less than what you do today?" Come on man... I agree with breaking away from some of the constraints that society, and the system has built around us, but it has to be gradual. Also, the video throws "absolute truths" at you, expecting you to buy them without a thought or care. I think most people might, because they are fed up with their current situation, but sometimes you have to sit back and really analyze what they're saying from all angles.
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With that being said,What Have you analyzed so far and or any solutions ?I understand where your coming from throwing the "brainwashed" word around ,but please,come back to earth homie.And as for a religious fanatic,i would like to say fuck religion and there gods...WHat you chat of about doing less is whats really going on today,Robotics and automation has taken many jobs,.but in this system,that is NOT good.In a resourced based society ,autoation and robotics is encouraged so ppl dont have to live like slaves,What is complicated about that?
 
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With that being said,What Have you analyzed so far and or any solutions ?I understand where your coming from throwing the "brainwashed" word around ,but please,come back to earth homie.And as for a religious fanatic,i would like to say fuck religion and there gods...WHat you chat of about doing less is whats really going on today,Robotics and automation has taken many jobs,.but in this system,that is NOT good.In a resourced based society ,autoation and robotics is encouraged so ppl dont have to live like slaves,What is complicated about that?
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It's hard for me to decipher some of what you are saying and asking but, I'll try my best. Next time try writing coherent sentences when replying in a conversation.

I said you sounded like a religious fanatic, not that you were one. It was a metaphor for your blind acceptance of this following, without full realization that there would still be control. Do you think the people that put this together, if it would occur, would not take advantage of the situation. It's in human nature to lust for more power.

Anyway, yes, robotics are used everyday in jobs but, the problem with letting robots do all of your work is that humans design them. The truth is that we're not perfect, and giving control to robots would be ignorance at it's best.
 
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polluted said:
Seriously?do you always need to be lead?I dont.Thats the old alpha male mentality.Once educated up to par there is no need to be lead.There are natural laws and universal laws that is a given.But to be lead?!Jacque is basically helping out people who dont know or is giving people a chance to think with out a box.
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I dont like using the word Alpha, or the mentality that goes along with it.
Thats not leadership. What i mean by leadership is that in any orginization there is always a need for central roles to be filled by competent person(s).
Just as scientist, workers play a role, so to do leaders. And not just top leaders, but also sub leaders. Theres no way you can remove power from the equation, the only thing you can do is hold power accountable.


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But as far as governance, An educated population needs no control
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I dont know if I agree with this. Using the scientific method, can you prove this?
 
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Roz said:
It's hard for me to decipher some of what you are saying and asking but, I'll try my best. Next time try writing coherent sentences when replying in a conversation.

I said you sounded like a religious fanatic, not that you were one. It was a metaphor for your blind acceptance of this following, without full realization that there would still be control. Do you think the people that put this together, if it would occur, would not take advantage of the situation. It's in human nature to lust for more power.

Anyway, yes, robotics are used everyday in jobs but, the problem with letting robots do all of your work is that humans design them. The truth is that we're not perfect, and giving control to robots would be ignorance at it's best.
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Its not in my human "nature" to lust for power.Is it human nature to lust for superiority?Because thats how people feel when they have more than the other.Im more for true equality.Not this American "dream" of equality.I have children and dread the future that has been placed for them.I know for a fact that humans beings can over come this monetary system and flourish in a resourced based economy.I also know an educated population will not accept a lustful power fiend in a true open society.
"Like hey,ok this guy is lusting power ,o-well?"To much pinky and the brain.

Why would anyone give "control" to a robot?Its called automation.Direct digital control is also pretty cool too..A have you watched "how its made" ,,good stuff and a small example on how automation has evolved..Humans would be needed to maintain them for now until robotics can be created to maintain.:"Im not against you .I am for the people!...I have been around enough to know know when i smell bullshat!And i totally agree with what jacque has talks about..This is coming from me and what i have learned while being here on this planet.Peace
 
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NovaFire said:
I dont like using the word Alpha, or the mentality that goes along with it.
Thats not leadership. What i mean by leadership is that in any orginization there is always a need for central roles to be filled by competent person(s).
Just as scientist, workers play a role, so to do leaders. And not just top leaders, but also sub leaders. Theres no way you can remove power from the equation, the only thing you can do is hold power accountable.




I dont know if I agree with this. Using the scientific method, can you prove this?
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So you believe human beings have got to always listen to these leader type of people as long as they can?Or have to be given these set rules to live under til death do you part?Since asked how i felt on leadership,how do you feel on the subject?Cuz i feel an educated population needs no control.
 
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So you believe human beings have got to always listen to these leader type of people as long as they can?Or have to be given these set rules to live under til death do you part?Since asked how i felt on leadership,how do you feel on the subject?Cuz i feel an educated population needs no control.
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I believe that leaders are needed in any type of orginization. I don't see leadership as a dominating\submissive relationship. Leadership is a role that has to be filled; a role that is based on mutual respect.
I also beieve that people need laws or principles with which to live. I believe principled peoples need not be controlled, but be held accountable.

What I'm saying is nothing new, what we have not figured out is how to deal with inherent human weakness in any system.
 
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Been watchin the last 2!! This is gettin me more & more bloodcurdling trippy all due to the surrounding social/family value conditions Im currently growin up in......
This truly indeed does gets me caught up in all of this emotionally & physically guys......
Not tryin to sound all sensitive but it hurts me reel bad I cant even explain furthermore......
 
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