WI's governor has promised to use the National Guard against workers

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Wisconsin Republicans and their extremist corporate backers may have pulled a fast one last night, but we predict their victory will be short-lived.

Thumbing their noses at the unprecedented, united outpouring of protest by the working people of Wisconsin, state Senate Republicans bypassed rules and democratic process to stage a Republicans-only vote to destroy collective bargaining rights for public workers.

Gove. Scott Walker launched the attack on worker rights as part of his state budget plan. Fiscal measures require approval by 20 members of the 33-member state Senate. The union-busting Republicans could not get 20 votes by the rules. So they separated the collective bargaining issue from the budget so that 18 Republicans could OK the bill in a rump, no-debate, session. Their action proved the hypocrisy of Walker's claim that his move to curb union rights was necessitated by budget problems.

"Senate Republicans have exercised the nuclear option to ram through their bill attacking Wisconsin's working families in the dark of night," Wisconsin State AFL-CIO President Phil Neuenfeldt said after the vote.

With these actions, he said, Republican leaders "have demonstrated they will do or say anything to pass their extreme agenda that attacks Wisconsin's working families."

This latest cold-blooded backroom maneuver strikes a blow at deep-rooted American feelings about democracy and basic rights of working people.

And the people of Wisconsin have shown they will not take it lying down. Over the past month, their united, creative and determined grassroots Cheesehead spirit has electrified the nation. The key has been their "special sauce" - breadth and unity. Public workers, private sector workers, students, retirees, Democrats, Republicans, independents, farmers - "America's Dairyland" has marched and rallied in bitter cold temperatures, sat in, camped out, bought pizza for protesters, phoned their state reps, talked to their neighbors - you name it - everybody in, nobody out in this mass popular struggle.

And they are not about to stop.

A movement to recall Republican lawmakers and the governor is gaining steam. Just three state senators need to be recalled to end Republican control of the Senate. Another immediate focus is mobilizing to elect liberal assistant attorney general Joanne Kloppenburg to the state Supreme Court on April 5. She would replace a right-wing Republican and tip the court balance toward worker rights in key rulings. Expect mass actions of all kinds in the coming days and weeks. And as it has been for the past several weeks, the key ingredient will be that "special sauce." A broad and united people's movement can never be defeated.

Americans across the country need to keep the support going and growing for Wisconsin workers. And perhaps the best way to do that is to build the worker rights movement in every one of the 50 states.

http://peoplesworld.org/wisconsin-republicans-victory-will-be-short-lived/
 
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Preventing quorum is a parlamentary tactic. You seem to have a problem with it. It's on you. If you want to insinuate WI's state senators are being anti-democratic then you'll be saying it about "our" country's "greatest" president then too.
 
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Preventing quorum is a parlamentary tactic. You seem to have a problem with it. It's on you. If you want to insinuate WI's state senators are being anti-democratic then you'll be saying it about "our" country's "greatest" president then too.

I "just" did. (my issue with your use of the term greatest notwithstanding)

I didn't realize that who a person is should be taken into consideration when deciding on whether or not they are being anti-democratic.

Maybe we should use that same logic when prosecuting criminals.
 
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Unions screwed themselves on this shit. They started with a good cause and got greedy over the decades, and now they're back where they started. And union being "for the people" is kind of a joke, theyre in the same ally with these "evi rich"
 
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I didn't realize that who a person is should be taken into consideration when deciding on whether or not they are being anti-democratic.

My questions for you then would be why are you not complaining about the potentially illegal and non-democratic actions of the other party if you are so concerned about democratic principles? Are you not aware enough of what is going on to do so? Or is it that your political agenda/view point gets in the way?
 
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My mom is a union worker, she thinks that this shit is going to domino effect and the entire country is gonna do this. She said that people be abusing the union too much at her job and she knew this day would come. (She's definitely not happy about this going on, but she isn't opposing what they're doing) It's sad that she only has 8 years in the union tho, and not the 10 required for a retirement plan from the hospital
 
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My questions for you then would be why are you not complaining about the potentially illegal and non-democratic actions of the other party if you are so concerned about democratic principles? Are you not aware enough of what is going on to do so? Or is it that your political agenda/view point gets in the way?


I will take the fact that you avoided the majority of my post as evidence that you can't argue my logic.

However as for your question I ask you; who said I wasn't complaining about the other party?

Plenty of people here are already doing that.

And for instance I think this was idiotic;

Wisconsin’s 20-year-old mandatory recycling law would be tossed in the garbage under Governor Scott Walker’s next state budget.
The prank Koch phone call exposed Walker as being extremely unethical.

And while I don't think governments should be in the power business, this attempt clearly solidifies Walker as a slime ball and is extremely unethical.

1. SALE AND CONTRACTUAL OPERATION OF STATE-OWNED POWER PLANTS
Governor: Allow the Department of Administration (DOA) to sell any state-owned heating, cooling, or power plant or contract with private entities for the operation of any such plant,
with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount the Department determines to be in the best
interest of the state.

However, Walker my be a lying, unethical, idiot - but that all has no relevance or impact on whether or not what his opposition is doing is anti-democratic. Hiding outside the state is anti-democratic whether a no name state senator is doing it or Abe Lincoln, George Washington, and Barack Obama got together at the MGM in Vegas avoid a vote on eliminating social security.
 
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However as for your question I ask you; who said I wasn't complaining about the other party?
You had yet to. And you still have not applied the same kind of scrutiny or criticism.

Plenty of people here are already doing that..
And that makes what you're doing ok and non-hypocritical? If you're so concerned about the principles of democracy being upheld why are you not singling out the potentially illegal and anti-democratic actions of the other party?

Still have yet to see you post anything about how public hearings were closed, how debate on the bill in the assembly was shut down, how the committee was formed, how open meetings law was violated, assembly members being locked out of the capital, etc, etc, etc.

So, have you not mentioned such things because you are not aware enough of what is going on to do so? Or is it that your political agenda/view point has gotten in the way?
 
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In quest for donations, GOP portrays protests as out of controlWild in the Capitol!
Joe Tarr on Thursday 03/10/2011,

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=32683

In more than three weeks of historic, 'round-the-clock protests at the Capitol involving hundreds of thousands of people, one thing has stood out: They have been overwhelmingly peaceful.

In a news conference last week, Mike Huebsch, secretary of the Department of Administration, praised police and protesters alike, adding, "It's indicative of the fact that we can strongly disagree and not be disagreeable."

But to the Wisconsin Republican Party, this is all a big cover-up. There is violence in Madison, and you'd better keep the kids and Grandma away from those unruly Capitol mobs, lest they turn their drumsticks into clubs.

Mark Jefferson, head of the Wisconsin Republican Party, sent out a fundraising letter to supporters in late February, writing, "Don't be fooled by the media hype. These protests are anything but peaceful."

What insidious things have been happening that the liberal media have either not noticed or refused to cover? "Inside the Capitol, Republicans have been spit on, pushed around and verbally attacked," Jefferson wrote. "Most legislators can no longer move around without a police escort, and threats of violence have become commonplace."

How can a person fight back against these unruly mobs? Jefferson suggests "a donation of $200, $500 or even $1,000 to the Majority GOP Conduit." Think of it as protection money.

Jefferson did not return numerous calls for details about his claims. But they are news to Charles Tubbs, chief of the Capitol Police. Asked about these purported threats to legislators, Tubbs says, "I don't currently know of anything."

No one has provided any substantiation for Jefferson's claim that "most legislators" are using police escorts, or that threats of violence are "commonplace," or that Republicans are being spit on. There was one well-publicized incident last week when protesters followed Sen. Glenn Grothman (R-West Bend), shouting "shame" at him. But the situation was quickly defused, and Grothman later told The Capital Times he never felt threatened.

As of last Friday, there had been about 16 arrests, most for disorderly conduct. But Tubbs added that seven or eight of those were people who insisted on being arrested. Tubbs praised the protesters' behavior: "The cooperation has been unbelievable."

Huebsch also didn't know of any harassment toward legislators. "If there is harassment, for the most part, you can find it out on YouTube before I could tell you."

Adds Rep. Kelda Helen Roys (D-Madison), "Every law enforcement agency has said these are peaceful protests with no incidents of violence." She calls Jefferson's fundraising screed an attempt "to demonize the nurses, firefighters and cops who have been rallying peacefully for their rights."

Contractors are more expensive

A premise behind Gov. Scott Walker's push to gut public-worker unions is that public workers make a lot more than their counterparts in the private sector, which is a model of efficiency.

But two recent audits by the Legislative Audit Bureau found that private consultants hired by the state in various departments actually cost taxpayers more money than when their functions are handled by state employees.

A 2009 audit of highway engineering construction projects found that consultants consistently cost the state more money than state workers. In 2007-08, the audit found, there were 287 construction projects, of which 127 (44%) were handled by consultants.

The state is required to do a cost-analysis assessment whenever it wants to hire a consultant. The audit analyzed 125 assessments for road projects between 2007 and 2008 and found that transportation staff could have completed the work for less money. But consultants were hired nonetheless, because the state didn't have the available staff to do the job.

In addition, the state lacked the manpower to determine whether contractors had met required standards — it later determined some had and some hadn't. Some companies should have been fined for substandard work but weren't, the audit said.

Finally, a 2009 audit of the state's Accountability, Consolidation and Efficiency Initiative found that "any savings and efficiencies achieved through consolidation have been offset by payments of $15.2 million to four contractors that helped to create and implement the ACE Initiative."

And justice for some

The State Bar of Wisconsin warns that Walker's budget will erode the quality of justice for the state's poorest residents.

Walker wants to eliminate $4.6 million the Wisconsin Trust Account Foundation uses to fund civil legal services, says bar spokesman Tom Solberg.

Besides making it harder for state residents facing "evictions, divorces and other critical legal issues," Solberg says, the cuts will make it harder for state courts to function efficiently. He's referring to "the added burden placed on the courts and other parties when individuals appear in court without the assistance of a lawyer."

According to the bar, the budget also eliminates funding for data collection to study racial profiling in Wisconsin.

But Walker's budget isn't all bad news from the State Bar's perspective. It also authorizes funds to pay for 45 new positions at the State Public Defender office, $3.4 million more for the office's appropriation for paying private attorneys, and $366,700 for court interpreters.