Will your job move to India?
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As a Tier II NT Engineer (my official title) at Hewlett Packard, I bear witness to this trend first hand. In recent times (the last two years or so) I've had to watch many collegues take the walk of shame, pink slips in hand, out these doors just outside my cubicle. And as more and more of these men and women go "offline", I find myself communicating with their replacements, overseas. It sux. It brings down morale and incites paranoia en masse. And to think, I was sitting here contemplating going DBA with some Oracle certifications. Then I read this article and the two chief villians are my current employers and another I was considering. 
WAR the Medical field
UNWAR Capitalist pigs
Read the MSN News article here.
WAR the Medical field
UNWAR Capitalist pigs
Read the MSN News article here.
And I hear rumors that we'll eventually get rid of our QA department along with a few others and move them to India. Which means a few hundred employees will lose their jobs here at home.
This is bullshit, I just don't see how companies can get away with this shit....
I graduated last October, with a diploma in Computer Networking and Internet Support Specialist. I spent $15000 (canadian $$$) on the one year fast track course and I still havent found a job in my field. Ive been competing with dudes that have been recently laid off from big corps with 5+ years experience for the few jobs that are out there. Theres no way anybodys gonna hire me over someone that has that kind of experience. The job market is over-saturated right now. The only job offer I got was ripping apart old computers for recycling purposes, and they wanted to pay me $8/hr, fuck that...
C'mon now, what about cheap labor don't you understand? While I agree that learning a second language is a great thing, it's nothing compared to the willingness to work for a fraction of what US workers make. Put it this way, US tech companies aren't outsourcing to India for their English speaking skills OR because they can speak Hindi. Stop kidding yourself. It's the 3 bucks an hour mon ami.
And I left $14 an hour long ago. I shouldn't have to go backwards to stay afloat.
And I left $14 an hour long ago. I shouldn't have to go backwards to stay afloat.
1) I'm not entry level, 2) Who wants to get paid to play video games except some pimply faced HS kid with no 5 year plan?
India at outsourcing revolution’s core
NEW DELHI, Oct. 21 — “We’ve gotta make sure we don’t say tomah-do. Today, tomorrow, OK?,” an instructor tells his class. “We’ve gotta make sure the tongue touches exactly behind the teeth.” This isn’t Acting 101, nor is it your basic music class. It’s a class on how to sound like an American.
IT’S THE MIDNIGHT voice and accent training class at the Wipro Call Center in New Delhi, India.
Sounding like the customers is a critical skill at Wipro. The Indian IT services giant — traded on the NYSE — fields a small army of operators processing calls for customers like Dell, Lehman Brothers and Delta Air Lines.
So many, they expect to generate $1 billion in sales this year.
“Out of our client list, about 350 clients, about 70 percent are in the Fortune 1,000,” said Girish Paranjpe, Wipro’s president of financial services.
Across town, at the call center of General Electric, employees expertly weave in and out of classic British. (MSNBC is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC, which is a GE company. Additionally, GE is CNBC’s parent company.)
Call centers are big business in India, but the outsourcing revolution goes far beyond this. Companies like Wipro are providing high value services for customers all over the globe.
“The ability to deliver services globally is really the story,” said Wipro CEO Vivek Paul. “And the story is that virtually anything that can be done ... can be done in a global fashion.
Forrester research expects more than 3.3 million U.S. jobs to move offshore by 2015 — the bulk of those to India.
American firms are outsourcing financial analysis work, IT management and even U.S. tax return preparation.
In Bangalore, India, radiologists read and interpret medical data for Wipro clients — and patients — in America.
The main draw is low cost, white-collar labor.
According to management consulting firm A.T. Kearney, an American engineer might earn $90,000 annually, but the same worker in India would make $23,000.
American software developers might earn $50,000-$75,000 a year, vs. $7,000-$10,000 in India.
Call center agents are also cheap, earning roughly $2,300-$3,200 annually — vs. ten times that in the U.S.
And the lure goes beyond money.
“You can get a higher level of employee, somebody who’s got four years of college or potentially even some advanced degree work,” said Forrester Research’s John McCarthy.
It’s among the reasons many are alarmed by the outsourcing trend.
Earlier this year, Rep. Donald Manzullo (R-Ill.) said, “If the bottom line in America today is profit to the exclusion of everything else, then, as the National Association of Manufacturers says, we’re gonna lose the cutting edge in technology and we better get used to being a third-rate country.”
But companies like technology leader Oracle say they have to take advantage of India’s deep and inexpensive talent pool to remain competitive.
“From an Oracle perspective, our own personal experience is companies strive to be competitive, profitable and in the long run those companies which take the right direction are going to survive,” said Murali Subramanian, Oracle’s vice president of e-business development.
Companies also say the job flow to India is not one-way.
Though Oracle has 3,000 employees in India, and will add 1,000 in the next year, they say that growth hasn’t cost any jobs in the U.S.
In fact, they point that out because Oracle now operates on a global, 24/7 schedule. Because the company has added Indian clients, there’s more work for employees in Bangalore and Silicon Valley.
“The more profitable and successful you are, you can generate more jobs, whether it is India or U.S.,” Subramanian said.
Outsourcing may be controversial, but the pressure on American executives to cut costs is relentless. As long as India can provide the savings, expect American companies to provide the jobs.
India at outsourcing revolution’s core
NEW DELHI, Oct. 21 — “We’ve gotta make sure we don’t say tomah-do. Today, tomorrow, OK?,” an instructor tells his class. “We’ve gotta make sure the tongue touches exactly behind the teeth.” This isn’t Acting 101, nor is it your basic music class. It’s a class on how to sound like an American.
IT’S THE MIDNIGHT voice and accent training class at the Wipro Call Center in New Delhi, India.
Sounding like the customers is a critical skill at Wipro. The Indian IT services giant — traded on the NYSE — fields a small army of operators processing calls for customers like Dell, Lehman Brothers and Delta Air Lines.
So many, they expect to generate $1 billion in sales this year.
“Out of our client list, about 350 clients, about 70 percent are in the Fortune 1,000,” said Girish Paranjpe, Wipro’s president of financial services.
Across town, at the call center of General Electric, employees expertly weave in and out of classic British. (MSNBC is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC, which is a GE company. Additionally, GE is CNBC’s parent company.)
Call centers are big business in India, but the outsourcing revolution goes far beyond this. Companies like Wipro are providing high value services for customers all over the globe.
“The ability to deliver services globally is really the story,” said Wipro CEO Vivek Paul. “And the story is that virtually anything that can be done ... can be done in a global fashion.
Forrester research expects more than 3.3 million U.S. jobs to move offshore by 2015 — the bulk of those to India.
American firms are outsourcing financial analysis work, IT management and even U.S. tax return preparation.
In Bangalore, India, radiologists read and interpret medical data for Wipro clients — and patients — in America.
The main draw is low cost, white-collar labor.
According to management consulting firm A.T. Kearney, an American engineer might earn $90,000 annually, but the same worker in India would make $23,000.
American software developers might earn $50,000-$75,000 a year, vs. $7,000-$10,000 in India.
Call center agents are also cheap, earning roughly $2,300-$3,200 annually — vs. ten times that in the U.S.
And the lure goes beyond money.
“You can get a higher level of employee, somebody who’s got four years of college or potentially even some advanced degree work,” said Forrester Research’s John McCarthy.
It’s among the reasons many are alarmed by the outsourcing trend.
Earlier this year, Rep. Donald Manzullo (R-Ill.) said, “If the bottom line in America today is profit to the exclusion of everything else, then, as the National Association of Manufacturers says, we’re gonna lose the cutting edge in technology and we better get used to being a third-rate country.”
But companies like technology leader Oracle say they have to take advantage of India’s deep and inexpensive talent pool to remain competitive.
“From an Oracle perspective, our own personal experience is companies strive to be competitive, profitable and in the long run those companies which take the right direction are going to survive,” said Murali Subramanian, Oracle’s vice president of e-business development.
Companies also say the job flow to India is not one-way.
Though Oracle has 3,000 employees in India, and will add 1,000 in the next year, they say that growth hasn’t cost any jobs in the U.S.
In fact, they point that out because Oracle now operates on a global, 24/7 schedule. Because the company has added Indian clients, there’s more work for employees in Bangalore and Silicon Valley.
“The more profitable and successful you are, you can generate more jobs, whether it is India or U.S.,” Subramanian said.
Outsourcing may be controversial, but the pressure on American executives to cut costs is relentless. As long as India can provide the savings, expect American companies to provide the jobs.
there are no windows you fuckup
and its idiots like you that come and ask for a double chesse but then say: "umm can you do me a favor please and not put any mayo and that though?"
and i have to say: "what the fuck you dumb bitch it doesnt even come with mayo so shut the fuck up and quit wastin my time cause ive got a whole list of objects to fry up startin with this big piece of nasty lettuce i foud right over there on the floor
and its idiots like you that come and ask for a double chesse but then say: "umm can you do me a favor please and not put any mayo and that though?"
and i have to say: "what the fuck you dumb bitch it doesnt even come with mayo so shut the fuck up and quit wastin my time cause ive got a whole list of objects to fry up startin with this big piece of nasty lettuce i foud right over there on the floor