Why rap music is falling off... (???)

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I was reading the news articles on the front page of the siccness, and this article is just a small representation of why I fucking hate rap these days. Dont get me wrong, I love hip hop and I grew up on it... but its gotten to the point where I just see it as a packaged, corporate version of the lifestyle that REAL street cats articulated through their music to bring attention to America of what its like growing up in poor slum areas.



"Williams published the eight-book series ''Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence," but most kids are probably far more familiar with 50 Cent's ''The Massacre" and his hyper-violent video game ''Bulletproof," with its slow-motion kill moves. And mainstream hip-hop is content to keep it that way."




Lets try and take into consideration... A guy like Tupac didnt so much tell mainstream america that "Ill kill any mothafucka who steps outta line with me" or "I sell drugs and shoot guns at anybody I feel like". The way I see it, he kind of painted a picture of what its like to grow up the way he did... and that opened the eyes of the public to the same things they've been ignoring before hand. He brought the ghetto to America in a way that everyone could understand, and although 'Pac said himself he didnt sell drugs for more than two weeks, he did embrace what its like to live like a drug dealer and tell it how it is. But now, we have guys like 50 Cent who hasn't ever been to prison and hasnt seen a jail cell in over 10 years that rap about killin people left and right and moving drugs. Lets all be real with it- dudes been a multi-millionaire for at LEAST 3-4 years now and he still makes money off saying in a rap verse that he muders, sells crack and carry's around AK-47s and shit. We all know damn well that 50 dont need to "hustle" shit but a recycled rap verse to make thousands and thousands of dollars, but he still sells that gangster image to (mostly) white america and makes millions off it through shit like his video game and clothing. Ya'll remember the Aruban brothers and White dude on TV accused of killing the girl from alabama or whatever in Aruba while she was on vacation? The white kid was wearing a G-Unit shirt, and for some reason that picture wont ever leave my mind. How gangster is that? killing some girl and disposing of the body in a way that leaves no trace evidence. Now Im not saying that 50 straight told the kid to do the shit, but its hard to get out of my head that the gangster image that rich kid was grown up glorifying didnt play a small role in his mind when he was (questionably, of course) doing whatever was done to the blonde girl that was all over the news. Thats the type of shit that guys like 50, Cam'ron (guy got shot in the arm and rapped a freestyle about "eating bullets and spittin them out") Lloyd Banks, Lil Wayne all influence and make mad cash off of... but you know they aint in the streets at all unless theyre going to a club surrounded by bodygaurds. I know theres a couple flaws in what Im trying to express here through this dumb ass post, but I think we can all agree that most rap music these days is just a recycled version of the gangster image eazy-e started in the early 90s. That is, after all- why most of us concern ourself with underground artists right? I dunno, guess I just read that paragraph and it got me thinkin and I just started throwing out thoughts on this messageboard. Ya'll can just discuss it all from here, have fun with it. But, I will express that I think any discrimination of the minor details I fucked up in this post just dont help at all of creating a better understanding of the topic.
 
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Wow, you're horrible at trying to make a point.


Where the fuck do you come up with the Arubian white kid wearing a G-Unit shirt was glorifying a gangster image? It's a brand name, made by Reebok. I'm sure he hardly thinks he's a "gangster" because he bought some $20 shirt at Foot Locker.

Because I wear a Bulls jersey am I glorifying my athletic image?

If Pac sold drugs for 2 weeks then why is he more credible about the subject than say Cam, Lloyd Banks or 50? Which I'm sure they did it way more than Pac.

He even said he was a pretty boy himself. How do you go from being a dancer from Digital Underground to making murder threats to rappers on an album? Why does that make him more "real" than a 50 Cent.

Why can't 50 still talk about his street hustle days? They happened right? At least to some extent?

Fact is, if all these rappers actually did most of the stuff they claim on a song....they'd be locked up.

Period.

It's all entertainment. It's fucking music. As much as people like you want to make it a reality it's all just a bunch of storytelling. Underground rap is a little different, because it is the common man who is still having to do the dirt to make a living or busting his ass at a 9 to 5, all the while trying to make a rap career.

Arguing about this shit is about as silly as arguing about who's the realer action hero Arnold or Stalone? I think Sly is more real because he came from the streets and Arnold is just some dumb body builder from Austria. I don't respect Stephen King because I don't believe he experienced half the shit he writes about.

That's how much I think these arguements hold water. Silly as fuck.
 
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techn9nehq said:
Wow, you're horrible at trying to make a point.


Where the fuck do you come up with the Arubian white kid wearing a G-Unit shirt was glorifying a gangster image? It's a brand name, made by Reebok. I'm sure he hardly thinks he's a "gangster" because he bought some $20 shirt at Foot Locker.

Because I wear a Bulls jersey am I glorifying my athletic image?

If Pac sold drugs for 2 weeks then why is he more credible about the subject than say Cam, Lloyd Banks or 50? Which I'm sure they did it way more than Pac.

He even said he was a pretty boy himself. How do you go from being a dancer from Digital Underground to making murder threats to rappers on an album? Why does that make him more "real" than a 50 Cent.

Why can't 50 still talk about his street hustle days? They happened right? At least to some extent?

Fact is, if all these rappers actually did most of the stuff they claim on a song....they'd be locked up.

Period.

It's all entertainment. It's fucking music. As much as people like you want to make it a reality it's all just a bunch of storytelling. Underground rap is a little different, because it is the common man who is still having to do the dirt to make a living or busting his ass at a 9 to 5, all the while trying to make a rap career.

Arguing about this shit is about as silly as arguing about who's the realer action hero Arnold or Stalone? I think Sly is more real because he came from the streets and Arnold is just some dumb body builder from Austria. I don't respect Stephen King because I don't believe he experienced half the shit he writes about.

That's how much I think these arguements hold water. Silly as fuck.

PREACH!!!!


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""Where the fuck do you come up with the Arubian white kid wearing a G-Unit shirt was glorifying a gangster image? It's a brand name, made by Reebok. I'm sure he hardly thinks he's a "gangster" because he bought some $20 shirt at Foot Locker.""

This is usually true. Kids, teenagers and even some adults see 50 cent on tv and see all these "gangsters" wearing g-unit clothing and since this shit is force fed DAILY they cant help but think "hey! i wanna be gangsta to...hmm lets see...i guess i could buy a g-unit shirt...thats a start...im certainly not going to go buy a gun...so ill get the t-shirt" and just with that, he already thinks hes on his way to being a "gangsta" because in america nowadays, the way you dress (most of the time) reflects who you are. Or who youre trying to be. If you went downtown in Boston (where i live) and look around, and you see someone wearing a button down dress shirt youd probably think he has a nice house in a nice neighborhood...but if you see someone standing on the corner with a g-unit shirt, a du-rag, baggy jeans and some timberland boots naturally you'd think COMPLETLY different of this person....now if insted of just looking at these people you go up and talk to them, most likely the guy with the g-unit shirt on is going to talk "hard" and "tough" or...."gangsta". EVEN IF he's some kid from the suburbs or really someone from the hood. Since the kid from the suburbs sees this everyday he feels he has to act this way...to fit in, basically. And it does happen...alot, I know from experience.
 

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KillaClown said:
Now Im not saying that 50 straight told the kid to do the shit, but its hard to get out of my head that the gangster image that rich kid was grown up glorifying didnt play a small role in his mind when he was (questionably, of course) doing whatever was done to the blonde girl that was all over the news.
I bet you voted to ban the grand theft auto video games. Go write your congressman and join up with tipper gore or whoever that cunt was that shares your views on violent music.

KillaClown said:
I know theres a couple flaws in what Im trying to express here through this dumb ass post
^^ I would agree with that statement

KillaClown said:
I think we can all agree that most rap music these days is just a recycled version of the gangster image eazy-e started in the early 90s. That is, after all-

why most of us concern ourself with underground artists right?
Wrong... I wouldn't consider eazy-e an underground artist. Back in the day he was one of the top rappers alive. Beefin' with Dre and acting the fool all on MTV, mtv = mainstream.

I be rockin the underground rap because the mainstream rappers could not produce a line or make a song about a topic or situation that truly amazes me through origonality and creativity.

All that mainstream shit nowdays is just background noise that gets tuned out in my world.

My dimented $0.02 :confused:
 
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While Pac was a great artist he is the definition of what you all call fake. He was just so good at what he did everybody thinks he is the definition of street.

He went to a private school for acting...
Was a dancer for Digital Underground (far from street)...
And I'm I the only one that noticed he started acting wild and getting arrested after he got a major deal (like just maybe it was a gimmick to sell records)...

Do the math...great artist yes...great actor, yes...definition of street by the standard 90% of you kids have, no.
 
Jan 28, 2005
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Pac just told it like it is. Sure, he was questionably more well off than half the other kids in his hood, but it aint like the dude didnt suffer in the ghetto like everyone else does.

You took the eazy e thing outta context, I meant that eazy came on the scene bringing something that the mainstream hasnt seen (gangsta rap) and most all hip hop these days is molded after that original formula... and thats why people like us get into "underground" music.

"Where the fuck do you come up with the Arubian white kid wearing a G-Unit shirt was glorifying a gangster image? It's a brand name, made by Reebok. I'm sure he hardly thinks he's a "gangster" because he bought some $20 shirt at Foot Locker."

Saying that he hardly thinks he's gangster because he bought that shirt is riding on the same false presumption that my statement was originally made on.

I never said tupac was a more credible person to speak on drug dealing than 50, but I do think that Tupac's perception of his surroundings was a lot more attentitive than what 50 portrays through his music.

And no, Im not one of those people who blame rap music for the fact that theres 100's of murders by gun every year. Sometimes though you cant really ignore stereotypes- after all, they are there because somebody noticed a pattern. Here in macomb county michigan it seems like every kid that sports a new-era hat has some type of artificial cockyness to their personality that they feel they need to portray because they dont wanna seem like a "bitch". I come from a land where every whiteboy with a CD player and an oversized shirt gets the whole rapping gangsta image in their head and try to act like theyre from the hood. I lived in the hood for about a year of my life and have lived in low-income housing for 88% of my life. I got a couple different friends who live in slums of Detroit, and I see suburban kids who live in 200,000 dollar houses who get everything handed to them walk around like they got real problems and they know what its like in the streets. The real street cats that I know rep Detroit and dont feel the need to talk about what they've done to make themselves credible and not fake when they go on certain blocks.


I dunno, I guess I just had all this shit on my mind and was looking to see other points of view on my opinions.
 
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Heat Myser said:
While Pac was a great artist he is the definition of what you all call fake. He was just so good at what he did everybody thinks he is the definition of street.

He went to a private school for acting...
Was a dancer for Digital Underground (far from street)...
And I'm I the only one that noticed he started acting wild and getting arrested after he got a major deal (like just maybe it was a gimmick to sell records)...

Do the math...great artist yes...great actor, yes...definition of street by the standard 90% of you kids have, no.
nicely said...im sick of all these ppl worshiping tupac...he was good..not god
 
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KillaClown said:
You took the eazy e thing outta context, I meant that eazy came on the scene bringing something that the mainstream hasnt seen (gangsta rap) and most all hip hop these days is molded after that original formula... and thats why people like us get into "underground" music.
Eazy invented gangster rap? I think not, it was a collaborate effort from all the members of NWA, not just E. Eazy was the shit no doubt, but Cube wrote all his lyrics on most of his early shit, check your facts again homeboy.
 
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KCMOTechN9ne said:
I think its sad as hell people still dare to compare pac to 50

its more sadder...whn people...
put 2pac out there like he was a real Thug..

he wasnt..

Pac was a fuckin genious writter...wayyyy ahead of his time..
i dont think anyone could deny that shit..
but he wasnt "hard", 'gangster", or a "thug"..
he was a real good shit talker..

he wrote about the struggle inthese streets..
better than a lot of people..

50 is Not Pac..

Pac is not 50..

5000
 
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DaStonedGangsta said:
nicely said...im sick of all these ppl worshiping tupac...he was good..not god
I dont worship pac, tell u da truth i hardly listen 2 him anymore, but if u dont actually know what he live like just shut ur fucking mouth, like trying 2 say biggie never sold rocks.

Ice-T brought da first gangster rap, if any1 is old enough you'll remember they had real guns on there video's, but N.W.A. actually came with gangster rap. Theres the youngins history lesson.
 

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Dark Shadow said:
I dont worship pac, tell u da truth i hardly listen 2 him anymore, but if u dont actually know what he live like just shut ur fucking mouth, like trying 2 say biggie never sold rocks.

Ice-T brought da first gangster rap, if any1 is old enough you'll remember they had real guns on there video's, but N.W.A. actually came with gangster rap. Theres the youngins history lesson.

worrd up..real talk