Why is the UFC starting to overtake professional boxing and HOW can Boxing fix this?
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who watches boxing anymore? UFC/Strikeforce/Pride is way more exciting, AND we have spike tv.....Boxing never gives us anything for free, except huge letdowns when fights are stopped prematurely.
UFC fighters are here and now, fighting with small gloves, kicking, choking, punching, smashing, ripping, hitting....
Boxing is weak, referee's are always stepping in...and they never even took a kick to the head or worked their way out of a choke
UFC fighters are here and now, fighting with small gloves, kicking, choking, punching, smashing, ripping, hitting....
Boxing is weak, referee's are always stepping in...and they never even took a kick to the head or worked their way out of a choke
If the economy keeps goin to the shitters I believe boxing is gonna thrive. It seems tough times breeds better fighters. All this hippy fighting is bad has got to stop. Toughen up your kids. The only boxer probably that made it through life without getting a beatdown by moms n pops was more likely was Oscar....
Why you think other countries are breeding champions. Cause they are not getting spoon fed into the sport....
Why you think other countries are breeding champions. Cause they are not getting spoon fed into the sport....
LOL Ok.
First off, check the PPV's stats in 2007 for both UFC and boxing. Here I'll do it for you:
UFC events combined for 4,885,000 buys totaling $194.5 million.
HBO Boxing events combined for 4,795,000 buys for $239.75 million.
Both did very well. MMA has momentum and is growing fast, but boxing did not fall off as you can see by the buys and money generated.
Second, you're an idiot for saying "real athletes are in MMA not boxing." To say guys like Mayweather are not talented athletes then you're just being a hater or you're mentally challenged. There are top athletes in both sports, as well as bums in both sports. Both are unique though as they are different sports. For example, boxers need to be better conditioned then MMA fighters, guys that can go 12 full rounds without gassing. MMA fighters have to be well rounded, etc. Apples & oranges homie but you come off like a hater for that comment.
First off, check the PPV's stats in 2007 for both UFC and boxing. Here I'll do it for you:
UFC events combined for 4,885,000 buys totaling $194.5 million.
HBO Boxing events combined for 4,795,000 buys for $239.75 million.
Both did very well. MMA has momentum and is growing fast, but boxing did not fall off as you can see by the buys and money generated.
Second, you're an idiot for saying "real athletes are in MMA not boxing." To say guys like Mayweather are not talented athletes then you're just being a hater or you're mentally challenged. There are top athletes in both sports, as well as bums in both sports. Both are unique though as they are different sports. For example, boxers need to be better conditioned then MMA fighters, guys that can go 12 full rounds without gassing. MMA fighters have to be well rounded, etc. Apples & oranges homie but you come off like a hater for that comment.
Around the same amount of people that watch MMA?
That's a matter of opinion.
There are weekly fights on ESPN and fights on the Versus channel. HBO and Showtime also have several fights per month. The rule of thumb is HBO likes to have a total of six PPV's per year. How many PPV's does the UFC have per year?
I really like what UFC did with Spike though, I can only hope boxing can do something similar.
LOL, as if early stoppages don't happen in MMA either. Look, stoppages are caused by several things - the REF (who is the one that makes the call), how badly the fighter is being beat up, and history (boxing has had a lot of DEATHS in the ring and there are measures to try to protect the fighters).
That's a matter of opinion.
There are weekly fights on ESPN and fights on the Versus channel. HBO and Showtime also have several fights per month. The rule of thumb is HBO likes to have a total of six PPV's per year. How many PPV's does the UFC have per year?
I really like what UFC did with Spike though, I can only hope boxing can do something similar.
LOL, as if early stoppages don't happen in MMA either. Look, stoppages are caused by several things - the REF (who is the one that makes the call), how badly the fighter is being beat up, and history (boxing has had a lot of DEATHS in the ring and there are measures to try to protect the fighters).
The MMA vs boxing arguement is retarded. They're both dope sports and even if you don't like one sport I don't see why go out of your way to knock the other.
I don't tennis at all but that doesn't mean I walk slamming tennis and telling people that watch it "I can't believe you watch that crap, didn't you know tennis is dead?" Boxing might not be as popular as it was a few years back but it's still doing excellent business. Ivan Calderon can sell out a decent sized stadium in PR and he's a 108lb fighter. Steve Molitor does very well in Canada. Anthony Mundine has been on PPV in Australia since his first fight. Just because something isn't mainstream in the U.S. doesn't mean anything on it's overall standing.
Boxing has stood the test of time and there's always a gap in between the next great heavyweight that brings the sport into everyone's face again.
I don't tennis at all but that doesn't mean I walk slamming tennis and telling people that watch it "I can't believe you watch that crap, didn't you know tennis is dead?" Boxing might not be as popular as it was a few years back but it's still doing excellent business. Ivan Calderon can sell out a decent sized stadium in PR and he's a 108lb fighter. Steve Molitor does very well in Canada. Anthony Mundine has been on PPV in Australia since his first fight. Just because something isn't mainstream in the U.S. doesn't mean anything on it's overall standing.
Boxing has stood the test of time and there's always a gap in between the next great heavyweight that brings the sport into everyone's face again.
^^good point about boxing being global and not just limited to the US. People forget that.
Pacquiao is so big in the Philippines, it's almost impossible to imagine here because there simply isn't any sports figure as big as he is in the US. He is an idol there, people love him. He's like Elvis or the Beatles. Ricky Hatton in England, shit, over 20,000 of his fans flew from England to Las Vegas to watch him fight Mayweather. And after he got knocked the fuck out and returned to England, his first fight against a bum over 40,000 people in the stadium. Calzaghe vs Kessler in Wales, over 60,000 people in the stadium.
Pacquiao is so big in the Philippines, it's almost impossible to imagine here because there simply isn't any sports figure as big as he is in the US. He is an idol there, people love him. He's like Elvis or the Beatles. Ricky Hatton in England, shit, over 20,000 of his fans flew from England to Las Vegas to watch him fight Mayweather. And after he got knocked the fuck out and returned to England, his first fight against a bum over 40,000 people in the stadium. Calzaghe vs Kessler in Wales, over 60,000 people in the stadium.
I think part of the reason UFC > Boxing is because if you had another iconic figure in boxing such as Mike Tyson, a lot of people would want to see him fight a top competitor in UFC, just like there was a call for Mayweather to fight in a MMA match.
People want to test the best, its a natural impulse. You are the top in boxing, lets see how you do in MMA; its a natural conclusion.
On the other hand, there wouldn't be near as much of a call for a top MMA guy to fight in a boxing match, because in that case you are increasing the amount of rules in the fight rather than decreasing them.
Well I don't know about all that. I think the reason people wanted to see Mayweather fight is because he actually went out of his way to talk shit about MMA fighters, say he could kick their asses and then said he was actually going to fight in MMA.
I mean there isn't a demand to see Pacquiao take on the MMA world.
Well the interest is there though. Whats his name challenged Roy Jones to a boxing fight, Roy accepted but Dana White wouldn't allow it (gee I wonder why??). That would have been a pretty big event, imo.
Ultimately it's two different sports that can certainly co-exist. I see no problem with having a bad-ass heavyweight boxing champ and a bad-ass MMA heavyweight champ. Maybe when they both get a lil old and washed up those two guys can meet for a big payday, lol.
I mean there isn't a demand to see Pacquiao take on the MMA world.
Well the interest is there though. Whats his name challenged Roy Jones to a boxing fight, Roy accepted but Dana White wouldn't allow it (gee I wonder why??). That would have been a pretty big event, imo.
Ultimately it's two different sports that can certainly co-exist. I see no problem with having a bad-ass heavyweight boxing champ and a bad-ass MMA heavyweight champ. Maybe when they both get a lil old and washed up those two guys can meet for a big payday, lol.
The thing is, people in general (when I say general we are talking about the average not very intelligent person) have an inherent desire to know who the best overall fighter is. Boxing used to fill that need, but now that MMA is gaining popularity, the general person realizes that an MMA fight is closer to an actual fight than a boxing fight is.
If a new sport came out with NO rules whatsoever, there would be a big call from fans to see MMA champs fight in the new league to prove they could hang with the no rules guys.
The two sports can definitely co-exist, but being the best boxer in the fighting world, is like being the best 3 pt shooter in the basketball world; there is always going to be the call to test the best at the full thing. You may be the hands down the best 3pt shooter ever, but people are gonna say "well he couldn't hang in the NBA" , the same applies for boxing champs.
If a new sport came out with NO rules whatsoever, there would be a big call from fans to see MMA champs fight in the new league to prove they could hang with the no rules guys.
The two sports can definitely co-exist, but being the best boxer in the fighting world, is like being the best 3 pt shooter in the basketball world; there is always going to be the call to test the best at the full thing. You may be the hands down the best 3pt shooter ever, but people are gonna say "well he couldn't hang in the NBA" , the same applies for boxing champs.
yeah I disagree with you man. I hear what you're saying but I always felt that boxing was seen as a sport, more of a sport anyways then free for all fighting. I mean, the general public always knew that if you put a boxer against a wrestler the wrestler would win, but that's not the point. Boxing a specific type of sport that people have liked for thousands of years.
If that were the case Randy would've fought Fedor and Fedor would've fought Josh Barnett. Politics and business are going to be a problem in creating matchups in both sports. As MMA gets more and more competitors and more and more widespread organizations the talent is going to thin out and the same questions that pop up all the time in boxing will start happening.
The difference as of right now is at least big fights in boxing can happen when the money is right. There is no negotiating with the UFC to fight another organizations champion. Jake Shields will never fight GSP as long as he remains in EliteXC. At least that window is open ..
The difference as of right now is at least big fights in boxing can happen when the money is right. There is no negotiating with the UFC to fight another organizations champion. Jake Shields will never fight GSP as long as he remains in EliteXC. At least that window is open ..