WHY DOES THE BIBLE NOT SPEAK ON dinosaurs?

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MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
I thought that it was spread because of Constantine. Also why would the Romans accept Christianity and then kill Paul?
Where did Constantine get his doctrine and theories from and where did they come from? As far as we can tell Paul is the one who spread these theories into those regions, he is the only one we know of who believed in them and preached them in these regions. No Paul = Romans not knowing of this new theory.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
1)What exactly are these pagan myths, legends, and how did he incorporate them into Judaism?
I didn't already go over this? When in different regions he would change what he preached to suit the people. i.e. encourage the pagans to celebrate the resurrection of jesus. Theres no doubt these traditions and legends are very pagan but as far as it can be seen it is Saint Paul who first encouraged this.

Theres so many more as well... the pagan godman who turns water into wine, the god who sends a savior to earth, ceremonial washing(baptism), the great flood is a pagan legend as well. If you study it you will find it is very clear, the New Testament is just a bunch of pagan legends mixed with Jewish people.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
2)That quote you have of Paul in reference to Christianity where did you get it? Is it from Corinthians?
I would imagine, i got it from a book, its probably not a direct translation but lets look at that below right here...

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
3)Paul never talks about Christianity, he is talking about himself. The only one who would probably know for sure on this site might be HERESY, but I believe to become all things to all men simply means the equivalent of our "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."
EXACTLY... and what is it that Paul does? he preaches, do you understand? he is altering what he preaches to better suit the beliefs of pagans he was preaching to at that time... thank you for understanding that. When in Rome do as the Romans do... it makes sense. The man wanted to get a message across but knew it would not be heard (or he would have been lynched right away) had he kept it in it's original context... contrary to what Jesus boldly attempted.

Saint Paul wouldn't have lived as long (or been heard) as he did had he not altered what he preached to suit the beliefs of pagans he was preaching to... I imagine he learned from the mistake of his fellow teacher/preacher Jesus Christ.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
4) Any one reading Corinthians has to understand that those letters were written and answers were given, but for the most part no one knows what the questions asked were.
Yes, but some of it pretty clear.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
5)Also Paul makes a point about God's law in 1Cor 9:20. Which leads into the "all things to all men"
You think this is where the quote is from?

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
Yeshua preached God the father, God the son, and God the holy ghost. Saint Paul, as well as the other apostles, knew that Yeshua was YHWH. Yeshua said it himself and so does the original Greek text.
How do you know he said this? What first-hand text written in his lifetime quotes him saying this? The original Greek text was put together by those who heard from the apostles, the words of Saint Paul, not Christ himself. The Jews who knew Christ first-hand quote him on only preaching God the Father.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
Where are you getting your information from, I've honestly never heard of Paul starting up Christmas. Although Saturnalia predates Yeshua and Paul, I haven't come across anything that would lead me to believe Paul started up Christmas in the church especially since the church prohibited any one celebrating Saturnalia until they formed a day, that was intentionally created on December 25. Christmas, or mass of Christ, was officially recognized by the Catholic church in the year 250.
Paul is the one who encouraged them to practice their same traditions but to celebrate Christ(a Jewish preacher) as another deity as well.

It's like he was saying..."Hey you pagans were right, there is such things as multiple deities and deities born on earth, but hey look at this one he was Jewish, can you believe that? Jewish, and I swear I saw him resurrected by my own eyes he is obviously a god... alright, now that you're listening heres the ten commandments."

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
There is a difference between Christianity and Messianic Judaism, which is more or less where the early Christians [including Paul] fell into. Early "Christians" did not call themselves that nor did they wear crucifixes.
Yes.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
Anti-semitism could not have possibly have begun in Rome. Jews were constantly targeted by other cultures even before the Hellenistic Roman-Greco empires came into power. And even if it did start in Rome or Greece it would have definitely started when the traditional Hebrews would not conform to their new surroundings, thus there were 2 types of jews, Hellenistic ones and those that weren't.
The slogon predates Christ... the Jews had always been defiant to Roman Rule. What other cultures practiced anti-semitism? Were not talking about the Jews being victims to slavery or war... that is not anti-semitism... were talking about a political propaganda that encouraged the public to commit random violent acts against the Jews.

MEXICANCOMMANDO said:
PS. The words Roma locuta est means "Rome has spoken," they were spoken by Augustine and has nothing to do with anti-semitism.
Opposition to Rome shall not be tolerated... this is what Rome has spoken.
It was used as a justification for anti-semitist acts, this is what it became.
 
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1/2 On It said:
Where did Constantine get his doctrine and theories from and where did they come from? As far as we can tell Paul is the one who spread these theories into those regions, he is the only one we know of who believed in them and preached them in these regions. No Paul = Romans not knowing of this new theory.
This cannot be true. If it was then why was Constantine influenced by others other than Paul? He was baptized, but it was during his deathbed, and was baptized by an Arian and not an Athanasian, Paul believed Yeshua to be YHWH so this alone contradicts what you've said. If anything Constantine was influenced more by Arius.
1/2 On It said:
I didn't already go over this? When in different regions he would change what he preached to suit the people. i.e. encourage the pagans to celebrate the resurrection of jesus. Theres no doubt these traditions and legends are very pagan but as far as it can be seen it is Saint Paul who first encouraged this.
You still are being very broad. I want to know what religions/pagan groups Paul borrowed from and how he incorporated that into his dogma.
1/2 On It said:
Theres so many more as well... the pagan godman who turns water into wine, the god who sends a savior to earth, ceremonial washing(baptism), the great flood is a pagan legend as well. If you study it you will find it is very clear, the New Testament is just a bunch of pagan legends mixed with Jewish people.
Pagan godman? Do you mean Dionysos? Isn't he the god of fertility? Or are you talking about Apollo? As for the god who sends a savior to earth which religion are you talking about? Zoroastrianism? Judaisms notion of a messiah predates the religion so wouldnt then Zoroastrianism be influenced by Judaism? As for the great flood, did you know that ancient pre-columbian tribes have a flood story also? Does that mean Christianity/Judaism were influenced by them also? Ceremonial washings done by the Israelites predate Mikveh and baptism, this proves nothing.
1/2 On It said:
EXACTLY... and what is it that Paul does? he preaches, do you understand? he is altering what he preaches to better suit the beliefs of pagans he was preaching to at that time... thank you for understanding that. When in Rome do as the Romans do... it makes sense. The man wanted to get a message across but knew it would not be heard (or he would have been lynched right away) had he kept it in it's original context... contrary to what Jesus boldly attempted.

Saint Paul wouldn't have lived as long (or been heard) as he did had he not altered what he preached to suit the beliefs of pagans he was preaching to... I imagine he learned from the mistake of his fellow teacher/preacher Jesus Christ.
I agree with some of what you're saying not all of it. I don't think anything he might have changed, changed or contradicted Yeshua's teachings or those of the Torah.
1/2 On It said:
Yes, but some of it pretty clear.
Whether or not it is or isn't we can only guess as to what many of those questions originally posed were.
1/2 On It said:
You think this is where the quote is from?
You yourself said you got it from a book. I don't know where you got the quote from so I used what I know and came up with one very possible solution.
1/2 On It said:
How do you know he said this? What first-hand text written in his lifetime quotes him saying this? The original Greek text was put together by those who heard from the apostles, the words of Saint Paul, not Christ himself. The Jews who knew Christ first-hand quote him on only preaching God the Father.
As far as I remember there are no "Christian" texts written about Yeshua or mentioning him during his life time. I know there are Jewish and Roman records, including those of the Sanhedrin, but John, Matthew, and Paul all knowing him firsthand have him either saying he is God or blaspheming by doing things only God can do or things that imply him being God.
1/2 On It said:
Paul is the one who encouraged them to practice their same traditions but to celebrate Christ(a Jewish preacher) as another deity as well.

It's like he was saying..."Hey you pagans were right, there is such things as multiple deities and deities born on earth, but hey look at this one he was Jewish, can you believe that? Jewish, and I swear I saw him resurrected by my own eyes he is obviously a god... alright, now that you're listening heres the ten commandments."
This isn't what I asked.
1/2 On It said:
The slogon predates Christ... the Jews had always been defiant to Roman Rule. What other cultures practiced anti-semitism? Were not talking about the Jews being victims to slavery or war... that is not anti-semitism... were talking about a political propaganda that encouraged the public to commit random violent acts against the Jews.
Technically Anti-Semitism also affects Assyrians, Chaldeans, Aramaeans, Sabaeans and not only Hebrews, so it doesn't only affect Jews, but since we're focusing only on them we should probably steer clear from the other Semites. If anything Anti-Semitism originated with the Egyptians about 300 years before Christ.
1/2 On It said:
Opposition to Rome shall not be tolerated... this is what Rome has spoken.
It was used as a justification for anti-semitist acts, this is what it became
Are we talking about Saint Augustine? If you're going to quote some one at least give me who said it, because Augustine did utter those words but not in reference to anti-semitism.

PS. Sorry my reply took so long, and might not be as detailed as I would have wished. Things have happened recently and I'm lucky I even was able to reply.