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The exploiters usually don't wanna stick around to have to look into the face of the people they regularly dick over. What kinda pimp wants to face a former whore who now has some power and courage and is on equal footing (which is the great benefit of the Cuban Revolution) with them? None, cuz it scares the shit out of em. Cuz then they have to own up for being evil. And it’s a simple fact that most, if not all, of those people were/are evil.
So basically you are assuming that the educated and the middle class are "exploiters". In what way do you feel they "exploit"? You seriously think "most" of these people are evil? A lot of the Cuban refugees are very successfull in America and have done real well in assimilating into the United States, it wasn't untill Castro let all the Cubans from the prisions and mental insitutions did, the United States begin to see problems.


A good attempt at twisting fact.

The Cuban government said all could leave that wanted to leave, but that has always been Cuban policy since the revolution, so that's not even worthy of mentioning (unless you want to attempt to twist it into something that readers will assume means that Cuba is closed off by the Cuban government). It is the United States that impeeds travel of Cubans to the U.S. But that was all covered in my previous post, read that if you need further explanations.

The Mariel Boatlifts didn't begin with the Cuban government allowing people to leave, since they always could, but instead was initiated by the U.S. government under president Jimmy Carter. Carter issued a Presidential Memorandum allowing up to 3,500 refugees sanctuary in the U.S. First priority would go to released political prisoners, second to members of families already in the U.S., and third to refugees seeking political asylum.

Now i better break this one down for yall, since the whole reading comprehension thing is still evasive.

political prisoners =

Known to the rest of the world and intelligent people as criminals and includes:
So are you trying to say that the information I get from a college textbook which us published under a credible publisher, is false? Where do you get your information from?
 
May 25, 2003
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Mcleanhatch

The explenation to why ppl leave Cuba to go to the US is:

Because the US have an embargo against Cuba. This makes Cuba a realy poor country.

If the Cuban goverment (do not call Castro a Communist, because he is NOT) is so bad why do the poor ppl on Cuba have it mutch better now (despite the Embargo) then they did befor the revolution?

Cuba also has one of the best medical care systems in the world!

and the analfabism on Cuba was extingused after the revolution.


This is just some of the good things that has happend on Cuba sense the Revolution.




I'm sorry for the bad english.

I'm sorry if someone already wrote this, I didn't have the strengt to read all the posts
 
May 25, 2003
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Re: Re: elian gonzalez

Mcleanhatch said:


whats your take on the Elian G. situation. should we have sent him back like we did or did we do the wrong thing???

If this is the little kid that got sent back to his father in Cuba from the US (where he lived a short time with some relatives) it was absolutly right to send him back.

If your son was kidnapped by his mother and she died woudnt you want you son back?
 
May 11, 2002
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fiyah said:
One more thing:


If Castro & Cuba was so bad as the US wants him to look, why is Cuba in the Human Rights departmant of the UN?
80% of the governments around the world do not meet the democratic standards, of the governemnts of the free world.
 
May 25, 2003
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BaSICCally said:


80% of the governments around the world do not meet the democratic standards, of the governemnts of the free world.
Thats true.

some countrys even have the person with less votes to become president
 
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No point in voting if it doesnt count
Very true. I will not sway from this obvious question. And the question is "how do those votes which count, count?" well the answer is from the college electoral votes only count when it comes to the major elections, as in the presidents of the United States.

Personally I think that is bull shit.



If you were president of the United States would you change this flaw?

As a politician do you feel it would be simple to pay off the colleges to get votes?

would you put "higher education" in the realm of a "buisness"?
 
Apr 25, 2002
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BaSICCally said:

A lot of the Cuban refugees are very successfull in America and have done real well in assimilating into the United States, it wasn't untill Castro let all the Cubans from the prisions and mental insitutions did, the United States begin to see problems.
Successful criminals and terrorists, like they were in Cuba. Mafia connections usually help if you wanna be “successful”. And of course bringing all your loot that you plundered from a country for years doesn’t hurt either. Then of course there is the Cuban Adjustment Act, which was previously discussed which helps Cuban immigrants get on their feet much easier, than in some cases even people born in this country.

But the U.S. had plenty of problems with Cuban terrorists that came to the U.S. after the revolution and much of it was before the boatlift. Keep reading to find out more.

And I get my info from plenty of reliable journalistic and scholastic sources, but I don’t have time to type up an annotated bibliography every time I make a post. Takes enough time typing all this every time you post some propaganda.

WiCkEd said:
elian gonzalez

As for Elian, the people that kidnapped him and held him from his father had no interest in that little boy’s life or well being what so ever. They are known terrorists and were using him as a propaganda tool against Cuba.


fiyah said:
why is Cuba in the Human Rights departmant of the UN?
Cuz they were elected by their peers. Members are elected regionally and Latin America CHOSE Cuba, Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Honduras and Peru for six open seats.

Cuba has been on the commission since 1989. It's not something new.


Cuba's election contrasts with the shameful defeat that the United States suffered in 2001.

"As may be recalled, in that year’s election and for the first time in history, the U.S. government was not reelected as a HRC member. And it was not elected precisely as a punishment by the international community for its disdain for the human rights of its own people and other peoples of the world, for its policy of coercion and blackmail within the Commission — in particular for imposing a condemnation of Cuba — and for its obstructionist role in the Human Rights Commission, its voting record being a clear example of that.

It may also be recalled that last year, in order to gain reelection to the Commission, the United States had ask two of its main allies — Spain and Italy — to give up their candidatures, so that the number of candidates matched the number of vacancies. This resulted in it being elected without having to face another vote.

Members of the HRC acknowledge that, as opposed to the Cuba, the United States is the country that, virtually alone, votes against resolutions calling for respect for the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people; is the country that, totally on its own, is opposed to the right to alimentation being viewed as a basic human right; it the country that likewise opposes, on its own, the passing of a resolution highlighting the need for access to medicines in the framework of combating the HIV/AIDS pandemic; is the country that this year voted 11 times on its own against draft resolutions of interest to the Third World nations; and is the country that, in the present HRC period of sessions, voted against the will of the majority in 70% of cases."
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Information about Cuban American terrorist networks and the extent of their crimes


A living example of the extent of this criminal tolerance is Orlando Bosch, the pediatrician of death, anti-Cuba arch-terrorist, protected by the Bush family, the Cuban American National Foundation (CANF) and the CIA. The brains, together with Luis Posada Carriles, behind the sabotage of a Cubana airliner in full flight, provoking the death of 73 passengers on October 6, 1976, killer Bosch is now personally represented in the White House by his lifetime buddy Otto Reich, who sprung him from a Venezuelan jail.

On September 16, 1968, Bosch was involved in firing a projectile from bazooka on the Polish vessel Polanica, which was then docked in the port of Miami. On November 15, 1968, Bosch was convicted in the District Court for the Southern District of Florida of various felony offenses arising out of the assault on the Polish vessel. At that time he was also convicted on an indictment that had charged him with using the telegraph to send letters to the president of Mexico, General Francisco Franco of Spain; and British Prime Minister Harold Wilson, threatening to damage and destroy their countries’ ships and airplanes.

Bosch was paroled in 1972 and left the United States in 1974, thereby violating the terms of his parole.

More obsessed than ever with his terrorist mission, Bosch created and headed the Command of United Revolutionary Organizations (CORU) which, according to Whitley’s dossier, claimed responsibility for numerous bombings in Miami, New York, Venezuela, Panama, Mexico, Argentina and elsewhere.

Cuban American National Foundation (CANF), the main organization of the "anti-Cuba industry." From Jorge Mas Santos to Joe García, all the leading elements of the principal Cuban-American annexation-terrorist. It’s interesting to note that for decades now, the CANF has financed Luis Posada Carriles, who shares with Orlando Bosch the title of the most dangerous terrorist in the hemisphere. Posada Carriles masterminded the bombing of a Cubana Airlines plane in which all 73 people on board died; he is also responsible for more than 50 other attacks, including those that took place in Havana in 1997. In an interview with The New York Times, he confessed that for many years he has been able to count on the CANF’s unfailing economic support.

Other "experts" proven to have received money for terror (and above all from the network of Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch): Roberto Martín Peréz (also a participant in plans for bombing attacks), Elpidio Núñez, Diego Rolando Suárez Muñoz and Felipe Vals Brau.

At a short distance from the CANF troops, the former capos of the CANF’s most fanatical wing, ecstatic with beatitude; they are now "dissidents" joined together in an organization pompously christened the Council for Cuban Liberty. Ninoska Pérez-Castillón (spokeswoman for the group and promoter of support for Posada Carriles), Alberto Hernández (former CANF president), Feliciano Foyo (whom Posada Carriles calls his "financier"), and Horacio García. Many of them signed a call to terrorism published by the Miami Herald in August 2001, in which they coldly affirmed that all means, however violent, are admissible to change the island’s government. The document was also signed by Miami terrorist leader Orlando Bosch, accomplice of Luis Posada Carriles and defender of the principle that it’s "normal" for innocent people to die in any confrontation.

Félix Rodriguez, one of the Watergate burglars and the head of the drug operation in El Salvador’s Ilopango base that allowed the Nicaraguan contras to buy arms, financed by cocaine sales on U.S. territory. A buddy of George Bush I and Otto Reich, both of whom covered up his activities, Rodriguez was closely linked to terrorist activities by secret organization Omega-7, responsible for several attacks and assassinations.

Huber Matos, head of Independent Democratic Cuba, who "distinguished" himself in the dirty war in Nicaragua.

Armando Pérez Roura, a Batista follower, Alpha 66 member, leader of the terrorist group Cuban Unity, involved in various criminal activities in Miami, hysterical announcer on a well-known terrorist radio station. Over the years Alpha 66, led by Nazario Sargent, has instigated and organized many terrorist raids on Cuba (all of which failed). In Miami, he continues to openly advocate the absolute need for violent actions without any interference by the authorities. His son also trafficked drugs.

Killers Dionisio Suárez Esquivel and Virgilio Paz Romero. The two men were freed by President Bush in August 2001 (just before the September 11 attacks), after being imprisoned for the murders of Chilean Ambassador Orlando Letelier and human rights activist Ronnie Moffit on a Washington DC street! This horrendous crime was denounced throughout the entire world.

Roberto Rodríguez de Aragón of the Cuban Patriotic Junta, godfather of various violent actions, alongside Sisto Reinaldo Aquis Manríquez and his crony Eugenio Llameras Rondón, both members of the Secret Army and Commandos L, and with abundant antecedents of participating in acts of terrorism.

Pedro Remón — as the FBI’s own files confirm — killed Félix García Rodríguez, a Cuban diplomat at the United Nations in New York, in September 1980. In November 1979, he also murdered Eulalio José Negrín, a Cuban-American who supported the island’s government, in front of his 12-year-old son. He has participated in broad range of terrorist crimes.

Guillermo Novo Sampoli has maintained an extensive history of terror for the last 40 years. Accomplice in the assassinations of Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffit, he was arrested in Miami carrying half a kilo of cocaine. He was finally found guilty of the double murder, but was "absolved" on appeal, thanks to legal shenanigans by the CIA, whose director at the time was George Bush I.

Gaspar Jiménez Escobedo, old conspirator buddy of Orlando Bosch, was involved in the savage murder of Cuban technician D’Artagnan Díaz Díaz in Mérida, Mexico, and later escaped from jail there. He took part in various other assassination attempts on the Cuban president in Jamaica, Mexico, Spain, Honduras, Colombia, Argentina and the Dominican Republic.

He likewise collaborated in the sinister Panama conspiracy, along with Nelsy Ignacio Castro Matos, Santiago Alvarez Fernández and Rubén Darío López Castro. All live in Miami and all are "eminent" personalities in the community of professional terrorists who, one supposes, are fully documented by the FBI.

It’s worth asking: How much longer will the U.S. people put up with a president held hostage by a handful of mafia terrorists? How much longer will the U.S. people put up with a shameless gang of criminals directing their nation’s foreign policy on Latin America? How much longer will the U.S. people put up with the cruel punishment meted out to five Cuban patriots who were imprisoned for counteracting terror?
 
May 8, 2002
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ColdBlooded said:
Information about Cuban American terrorist networks and the extent of their crimes


A living example of the extent of this criminal tolerance is Orlando Bosch, the pediatrician of death, anti-Cuba arch-terrorist, protected by the Bush family, the Cuban American National Foundation (CANF) and the CIA. The brains, together with Luis Posada Carriles, behind the sabotage of a Cubana airliner in full flight, provoking the death of 73 passengers on October 6, 1976, killer Bosch is now personally represented in the White House by his lifetime buddy Otto Reich, who sprung him from a Venezuelan jail.

On September 16, 1968, Bosch was involved in firing a projectile from bazooka on the Polish vessel Polanica, which was then docked in the port of Miami. On November 15, 1968, Bosch was convicted in the District Court for the Southern District of Florida of various felony offenses arising out of the assault on the Polish vessel. At that time he was also convicted on an indictment that had charged him with using the telegraph to send letters to the president of Mexico, General Francisco Franco of Spain; and British Prime Minister Harold Wilson, threatening to damage and destroy their countries’ ships and airplanes.

Bosch was paroled in 1972 and left the United States in 1974, thereby violating the terms of his parole.

More obsessed than ever with his terrorist mission, Bosch created and headed the Command of United Revolutionary Organizations (CORU) which, according to Whitley’s dossier, claimed responsibility for numerous bombings in Miami, New York, Venezuela, Panama, Mexico, Argentina and elsewhere.

Cuban American National Foundation (CANF), the main organization of the "anti-Cuba industry." From Jorge Mas Santos to Joe García, all the leading elements of the principal Cuban-American annexation-terrorist. It’s interesting to note that for decades now, the CANF has financed Luis Posada Carriles, who shares with Orlando Bosch the title of the most dangerous terrorist in the hemisphere. Posada Carriles masterminded the bombing of a Cubana Airlines plane in which all 73 people on board died; he is also responsible for more than 50 other attacks, including those that took place in Havana in 1997. In an interview with The New York Times, he confessed that for many years he has been able to count on the CANF’s unfailing economic support.

Other "experts" proven to have received money for terror (and above all from the network of Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch): Roberto Martín Peréz (also a participant in plans for bombing attacks), Elpidio Núñez, Diego Rolando Suárez Muñoz and Felipe Vals Brau.

At a short distance from the CANF troops, the former capos of the CANF’s most fanatical wing, ecstatic with beatitude; they are now "dissidents" joined together in an organization pompously christened the Council for Cuban Liberty. Ninoska Pérez-Castillón (spokeswoman for the group and promoter of support for Posada Carriles), Alberto Hernández (former CANF president), Feliciano Foyo (whom Posada Carriles calls his "financier"), and Horacio García. Many of them signed a call to terrorism published by the Miami Herald in August 2001, in which they coldly affirmed that all means, however violent, are admissible to change the island’s government. The document was also signed by Miami terrorist leader Orlando Bosch, accomplice of Luis Posada Carriles and defender of the principle that it’s "normal" for innocent people to die in any confrontation.

Félix Rodriguez, one of the Watergate burglars and the head of the drug operation in El Salvador’s Ilopango base that allowed the Nicaraguan contras to buy arms, financed by cocaine sales on U.S. territory. A buddy of George Bush I and Otto Reich, both of whom covered up his activities, Rodriguez was closely linked to terrorist activities by secret organization Omega-7, responsible for several attacks and assassinations.

Huber Matos, head of Independent Democratic Cuba, who "distinguished" himself in the dirty war in Nicaragua.

Armando Pérez Roura, a Batista follower, Alpha 66 member, leader of the terrorist group Cuban Unity, involved in various criminal activities in Miami, hysterical announcer on a well-known terrorist radio station. Over the years Alpha 66, led by Nazario Sargent, has instigated and organized many terrorist raids on Cuba (all of which failed). In Miami, he continues to openly advocate the absolute need for violent actions without any interference by the authorities. His son also trafficked drugs.

Killers Dionisio Suárez Esquivel and Virgilio Paz Romero. The two men were freed by President Bush in August 2001 (just before the September 11 attacks), after being imprisoned for the murders of Chilean Ambassador Orlando Letelier and human rights activist Ronnie Moffit on a Washington DC street! This horrendous crime was denounced throughout the entire world.

Roberto Rodríguez de Aragón of the Cuban Patriotic Junta, godfather of various violent actions, alongside Sisto Reinaldo Aquis Manríquez and his crony Eugenio Llameras Rondón, both members of the Secret Army and Commandos L, and with abundant antecedents of participating in acts of terrorism.

Pedro Remón — as the FBI’s own files confirm — killed Félix García Rodríguez, a Cuban diplomat at the United Nations in New York, in September 1980. In November 1979, he also murdered Eulalio José Negrín, a Cuban-American who supported the island’s government, in front of his 12-year-old son. He has participated in broad range of terrorist crimes.

Guillermo Novo Sampoli has maintained an extensive history of terror for the last 40 years. Accomplice in the assassinations of Orlando Letelier and Ronnie Moffit, he was arrested in Miami carrying half a kilo of cocaine. He was finally found guilty of the double murder, but was "absolved" on appeal, thanks to legal shenanigans by the CIA, whose director at the time was George Bush I.

Gaspar Jiménez Escobedo, old conspirator buddy of Orlando Bosch, was involved in the savage murder of Cuban technician D’Artagnan Díaz Díaz in Mérida, Mexico, and later escaped from jail there. He took part in various other assassination attempts on the Cuban president in Jamaica, Mexico, Spain, Honduras, Colombia, Argentina and the Dominican Republic.

He likewise collaborated in the sinister Panama conspiracy, along with Nelsy Ignacio Castro Matos, Santiago Alvarez Fernández and Rubén Darío López Castro. All live in Miami and all are "eminent" personalities in the community of professional terrorists who, one supposes, are fully documented by the FBI.

It’s worth asking: How much longer will the U.S. people put up with a president held hostage by a handful of mafia terrorists? How much longer will the U.S. people put up with a shameless gang of criminals directing their nation’s foreign policy on Latin America? How much longer will the U.S. people put up with the cruel punishment meted out to five Cuban patriots who were imprisoned for counteracting terror?
whats the source for this peice so i can go and check it out???
 
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That was compiled from a number of different sources.

Serch for their names, their terrorist activities are well documented.

I'll get you started:

web info:
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/orlando-bosch.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/oct1999/corr-o26.shtml
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/posada.htm
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/posada.htm

books:

Deadly Secrets: The Cia-Mafia War Against Castro and the Assassination of J.F.K. - by Warren Hinckle, William W. Turner, Bill Turner

CIA Targets Fidel: Secret 1967 CIA Inspector General's Report on Plots to Assassinate Fidel Castro - by United States Central Intelligence Agency Inspector General, Fabian Escalante, CIA

Secret Missions to Cuba: Fidel Castro, Bernardo Benes, and Cuban Miami - by Robert Levine

Cuba Confidential: Love and Vengeance in Miami and Havana
by Ann Louise Bardach



 
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ColdBlooded said:
That was compiled from a number of different sources.

Serch for their names, their terrorist activities are well documented.

I'll get you started:

web info:
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/orlando-bosch.htm
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/oct1999/corr-o26.shtml
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/posada.htm
http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/posada.htm
LOL, especially thids one

communist web site^^^^^^^
 
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You're a moron if you think they are communists. Seriously, a fucking moron.

And it's no different me posting up wsws.org as a source than it is you giving newsmax all the time.