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Mcleanhatch

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i mean if cuba is so great and i know alote of you guys claim that Cuba is really great, and you guys think socialism/communism is so great why are people constantly trying to leave that country at any cost, even life


http://web1.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/C19996/
Three Cuban Migrants Swim Ashore; Fourth Picked Up By Coast Guard
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MIAMI -- Three Cuban migrants waded to shore Tuesday after jumping from their rickety wooden boat about two miles offshore and refusing help from the U.S. Coast Guard.

A fourth migrant, who gave up at sea and was taken aboard a state wildlife commission vessel, was later offered asylum by the government of Panama.

Upon reaching land, the three swimmers raised their arms in victory and walked gingerly into the mangroves near the Ocean Reef Club on North Key Largo.

They were soon taken into custody by the Border Patrol and were being taken the Krome Detention Center in west Miami-Dade County for processing, said immigration spokeswoman Ana Santiago.

Cuban migrants who reach U.S. soil generally are allowed to stay, while those intercepted at sea usually are repatriated.

The fourth man was to be interviewed by immigration officials to determine his status and immediate future, the Coast Guard said.

He was identified by family in Miami as Jorge Parrado Martinez, a former Florida resident who was arrested in Cuban waters and recently finished serving a 12-year prison sentence there.

Panama's Consul General Manuel Cohen said Tuesday night that the Central American nation was offering political asylum to Parrado, if he requests it.

In Washington, a State Department spokesperson said there would be no immediate comment on the offer.

Parrado's father, Andres Parrado, 69, said he would wait until the United States made a decision on his son before making any formal requests.

Sometimes, Cubans intercepted at sea and found to have valid asylum claims are taken to the U.S. Navy station at Guantanamo, Cuba, and held until a third country accepts them. The migrants were first spotted by a Coast Guard jet around 2 p.m. and two small patrol boats were sent to the area, Petty Officer Ryan Doss said. The migrants swung their oars at the boats to keep them at bay, he said, then jumped overboard.

The swimmers initially threw life jackets back to Coast Guardsmen trying to help them and swam steadily away from two Coast Guard boats. They later kept the life jackets but kept swimming toward shore. One was wearing flippers.

Parrado became tired early on and was taken aboard the Florida vessel. He was given a life vest and handcuffed, said Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Lt. Robert Beaton.

Parrado, who is in his 40s, first came to the United States in 1983 on a stolen Cuban government boat, said his cousin in Miami, Mariano Rojas.

Rojas had been told by family in Cuba that a relative was likely coming over. The family then recognized Parrado from television shots of him on the wildlife commission boat.

"I would have liked to see him among the others who touched land," Rojas said.

There have been other cases of migrants swimming to land, trying to claim dry-foot status.

In June 1999, six Cubans stopped on a 14-foot rowboat about 150 yards off Miami Beach jumped overboard and attempted to swim past swam past circling Coast Guard boats. Two of the migrants reached the beach and four were picked up by the Coast Guard after struggles in the water, but all were allowed to stay.

Several Coast Guard employees were reprimanded in that case because they had blasted the migrants with a water hose and later doused one in the water with pepper spray.

Last June, three Cuban migrants jumped from their boat near Plantation Key and swam a mile to shore with the U.S. Coast Guard in pursuit. Two others who tried to swim to land with them were intercepted by authorities. (AP)
 
ColdBlooded

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OK i'll answer this one AGAIN.

It has to do with the Cuban Adjustment Act.

The Cuban Adjustment act, was adopted by the US congress on the 2nd of November of 1966, under the Lyndon Johnson administration. It's main provision was to change the legal status of the Cuban immigrants; to treat them as political refugees and to grant them political asylum; and as such provide them immediately with privileges that no other group enjoys, such as, automatic permanent residence status - all without review and without the usual waiting time.

This privileged law affords the Cuban illegal immigrant the opportunity, to work legally, to govt. welfare, to unemployment benefits, and to free medical care. Things that the average immigrant (and US citizen) by no means is entitled to.

Their government, unlike that in the U.S., does not prevent people from leaving that do decide to do so. And in fact these people are forced by the U.S. government and the powerful Cuban-American terrorist lobby to take these unsafe craft for their voyage to the U.S. If the U.S. government or the powerful Cuba-American lobby were concerned with the well fair of these people and in seeing them on a safe voyage to the U.S. then they would provide for safe travel for them. But how much anti-Cuba publicity would that stir up? “Well today 2 Cubans flew from Havana to Miami on a 747 and landed safely.” Its much more important for their propaganda to show people on these boats trying to leave. Provide them with safe travel and they’d take it.

Approximately 4 thousand illegal immigrants arrive in the US daily, almost three times more than arrive illegally each year from Cuba. How often do you see their plight on the news? Very little. But of course the "free" press is always stacked against Cuba. When 5 or six boat people arrive from Cuba you are bound to hear it on the 6 o'clock news. The Miami Press controlled by the old Batistianos is even worse. The length of the news that the Cuban boat people are afforded is considerably more than given to other boat people. In essence what it's really about is to entice Cubans to leave illegally so that we can see it on the 6 o'clock news.

It has nothing to do with humanity, this law is really evil in intent; for if you think about it, as the result of this diabolical law, many have, over the years, risked and lost their lives.


In fact the U.S. repeatedly denies visas to Cuban citizens who apply for them. After repeated denials obviously people will be frustrated with the U.S. and knowing full well that the Cuban Adjustment act exists, granting full and immediate immigrant status with all the perks, they steal boats (or indenture themselves to Cuban-American exile terrorists that illegally traffic people). Either they make it to the U.S. and gain immigrant status or die in unsafe craft. People that get caught by Cuban coast guard after stealing boats obviously go to jail, just as they would in any other country. But once in jail that is when the U.S. interest section comes calling (after repeatedly ignoring attempts at a visa for legal immigration to the US) saying now they are ready to grant them a visa if they sign statements declaring themselves political prisoners. Should shed some light on this "political prisoner" issue, at least the majority of the cases, which the person is a legitimate criminal.

The INS is authorized to grant 20,000 visas annually to Cubans, but rarely fills any of them.

Now if the US has an immigration law and mechanism that allow Cubans to leave the island legally why then does the US have another policy enticing people to leave illegally and purposely never use the legal means?


 
2-0-Sixx

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ColdBlooded said:
OK i'll answer this one AGAIN.

It has to do with the Cuban Adjustment Act.

The Cuban Adjustment act, was adopted by the US congress on the 2nd of November of 1966, under the Lyndon Johnson administration. It's main provision was to change the legal status of the Cuban immigrants; to treat them as political refugees and to grant them political asylum; and as such provide them immediately with privileges that no other group enjoys, such as, automatic permanent residence status - all without review and without the usual waiting time.

This privileged law affords the Cuban illegal immigrant the opportunity, to work legally, to govt. welfare, to unemployment benefits, and to free medical care. Things that the average immigrant (and US citizen) by no means is entitled to.

Their government, unlike that in the U.S., does not prevent people from leaving that do decide to do so. And in fact these people are forced by the U.S. government and the powerful Cuban-American terrorist lobby to take these unsafe craft for their voyage to the U.S. If the U.S. government or the powerful Cuba-American lobby were concerned with the well fair of these people and in seeing them on a safe voyage to the U.S. then they would provide for safe travel for them. But how much anti-Cuba publicity would that stir up? “Well today 2 Cubans flew from Havana to Miami on a 747 and landed safely.” Its much more important for their propaganda to show people on these boats trying to leave. Provide them with safe travel and they’d take it.

Approximately 4 thousand illegal immigrants arrive in the US daily, almost three times more than arrive illegally each year from Cuba. How often do you see their plight on the news? Very little. But of course the "free" press is always stacked against Cuba. When 5 or six boat people arrive from Cuba you are bound to hear it on the 6 o'clock news. The Miami Press controlled by the old Batistianos is even worse. The length of the news that the Cuban boat people are afforded is considerably more than given to other boat people. In essence what it's really about is to entice Cubans to leave illegally so that we can see it on the 6 o'clock news.

It has nothing to do with humanity, this law is really evil in intent; for if you think about it, as the result of this diabolical law, many have, over the years, risked and lost their lives.


In fact the U.S. repeatedly denies visas to Cuban citizens who apply for them. After repeated denials obviously people will be frustrated with the U.S. and knowing full well that the Cuban Adjustment act exists, granting full and immediate immigrant status with all the perks, they steal boats (or indenture themselves to Cuban-American exile terrorists that illegally traffic people). Either they make it to the U.S. and gain immigrant status or die in unsafe craft. People that get caught by Cuban coast guard after stealing boats obviously go to jail, just as they would in any other country. But once in jail that is when the U.S. interest section comes calling (after repeatedly ignoring attempts at a visa for legal immigration to the US) saying now they are ready to grant them a visa if they sign statements declaring themselves political prisoners. Should shed some light on this "political prisoner" issue, at least the majority of the cases, which the person is a legitimate criminal.

The INS is authorized to grant 20,000 visas annually to Cubans, but rarely fills any of them.

Now if the US has an immigration law and mechanism that allow Cubans to leave the island legally why then does the US have another policy enticing people to leave illegally and purposely never use the legal means?
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Damn, coldblooded just schooled you Mcleanslut.

Once again typical mcleanhatch asking questions, and ignoring the responses.

This is why so many people on the sicc dislike you. What do you have to say? Anything? :dead: :dead: :dead:
 
2-0-Sixx

2-0-Sixx

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ColdBlooded said:
OK i'll answer this one AGAIN.

It has to do with the Cuban Adjustment Act.

The Cuban Adjustment act, was adopted by the US congress on the 2nd of November of 1966, under the Lyndon Johnson administration. It's main provision was to change the legal status of the Cuban immigrants; to treat them as political refugees and to grant them political asylum; and as such provide them immediately with privileges that no other group enjoys, such as, automatic permanent residence status - all without review and without the usual waiting time.

This privileged law affords the Cuban illegal immigrant the opportunity, to work legally, to govt. welfare, to unemployment benefits, and to free medical care. Things that the average immigrant (and US citizen) by no means is entitled to.

Their government, unlike that in the U.S., does not prevent people from leaving that do decide to do so. And in fact these people are forced by the U.S. government and the powerful Cuban-American terrorist lobby to take these unsafe craft for their voyage to the U.S. If the U.S. government or the powerful Cuba-American lobby were concerned with the well fair of these people and in seeing them on a safe voyage to the U.S. then they would provide for safe travel for them. But how much anti-Cuba publicity would that stir up? “Well today 2 Cubans flew from Havana to Miami on a 747 and landed safely.” Its much more important for their propaganda to show people on these boats trying to leave. Provide them with safe travel and they’d take it.

Approximately 4 thousand illegal immigrants arrive in the US daily, almost three times more than arrive illegally each year from Cuba. How often do you see their plight on the news? Very little. But of course the "free" press is always stacked against Cuba. When 5 or six boat people arrive from Cuba you are bound to hear it on the 6 o'clock news. The Miami Press controlled by the old Batistianos is even worse. The length of the news that the Cuban boat people are afforded is considerably more than given to other boat people. In essence what it's really about is to entice Cubans to leave illegally so that we can see it on the 6 o'clock news.

It has nothing to do with humanity, this law is really evil in intent; for if you think about it, as the result of this diabolical law, many have, over the years, risked and lost their lives.


In fact the U.S. repeatedly denies visas to Cuban citizens who apply for them. After repeated denials obviously people will be frustrated with the U.S. and knowing full well that the Cuban Adjustment act exists, granting full and immediate immigrant status with all the perks, they steal boats (or indenture themselves to Cuban-American exile terrorists that illegally traffic people). Either they make it to the U.S. and gain immigrant status or die in unsafe craft. People that get caught by Cuban coast guard after stealing boats obviously go to jail, just as they would in any other country. But once in jail that is when the U.S. interest section comes calling (after repeatedly ignoring attempts at a visa for legal immigration to the US) saying now they are ready to grant them a visa if they sign statements declaring themselves political prisoners. Should shed some light on this "political prisoner" issue, at least the majority of the cases, which the person is a legitimate criminal.

The INS is authorized to grant 20,000 visas annually to Cubans, but rarely fills any of them.

Now if the US has an immigration law and mechanism that allow Cubans to leave the island legally why then does the US have another policy enticing people to leave illegally and purposely never use the legal means?
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ColdBlooded

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@ ColdBlooded...so why did the US have such a 'special' interest in Cubans (in 1966)?
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For the same reasons that they have a special interest in Cubans up to this day. And for many of the resons that there was special interests in Cuba before that time.

When the US intervened in Cuba towards the end of its war of independence against Spain in 1901 , the head of US forces, General Leonard Wood, wrote a letter to President Theodore Roosevelt and part of it said:

"This is a natural sugar and tobacco country and as we must, in any case, control its destinies, and will probably soon own it, I believe it sound policy to do what we can to develop it ....With the control which we now have over Cuba...combined with other sugar producing lands which we now own, we shall soon practically control the sugar destiny of the whole world... I believe Cuba to be a most desirable acquisition for the United States. She is easily worth any two of the Southern States, probably any three with the exception of Texas. "

After the triumphs of the Cuban Revolution in 1959, Cuba's colonial status was put to an end. How dare the Cuban people overthrow a government of the US and take back their own sugar mills and plantations! What right did they think they had to establish their own foreign policy independent of the imperial aims of Washington!? What were they thinking getting rid of drugs, prostitution, and the mafia? How dare they provide a model of successes for the rest of the hemisphere, which was/is litterally dying to free themselves from such domination from the U.S.! What nerve they had in showing the poor, people of color, and working class people of the U.S. that there was a viable alternative to the pains they see regularly (i.e. lack of medical care, illiteracy, lack of education, no food clothes or shelter, etc) NO CUBAN CHILD SLEEPS ON THE STREET, unlike in the U.S. All of this 90 miles from the U.S., why wouldn't they be interested?

The US has never forgiven Cuba for this unpardonable crime and for years it has waged a relentless war to conquer Cuba and erase its example from the minds of billions of working people across the World and in the Americas especially.

The biggest reason for such a special interest: Cuba made a socialist revolution, the first of its kind in the western Hemisphere and it is the threat of that moral and political example spreading to the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean which has kept the night lights on at the Pentagon for all these years.

Then there is the powerful Cuban terroist loby in Miami, which shapes U.S. policy toward the island and will except nothing less than the complete distruction of every positive aspect of the revolution and their return to power over that country. Which would no doubt return it to a U.S. dominated whore and drug house, casino and mafia strong hold that it was before the revolution.

And The Cuban Adjustment Act is one of the many propaganda tools used against Cuba so that people will continue with the Mcleanhatch line that if Cuba is so great why do people leave?
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
WHY ARE THEY LEAVING CUBA IF IT IS AS GREAT AS SOME OF YOU COMMIES MAKE IT OUT TO BE??????????????
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I answered that already and 2-0-Sixx quoted it twice for you. I know you can read so either you decided not to or you're having problems with that whole comprehension thing.
 
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