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Keep researching comrade.

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." -Albert Einstein
I like that. Where did you find it?
 

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JIM BEAM,
YOU STRESSED, "I dont understand how you think that because we have senses that means we were made by a creator."

I DON'T THINK, I KNOW. BUT THINK ABOUT IT. WE HAVE ALL THESE SENSES FOR PLEASURES CAUSE THEY WERE "DESIgNED" TO BE THERE. WHAT A COINCIDENCE THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE SENSES, BUT REALLY DON'T NEED THEM TO SURVIVE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Every animal has senses."

YES INDEED. THEY WERE CREATED THAT WAY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "They are essential for survival."

BULLSHIT. FOOD AIN'T gOT TO TASTE SO gOOD SO WE CAN FORTIFY OUR BODIES. WE CAN SIMPLY TAKE A PILL WITH ALL THE FORTIFIED NUTRIENTS.
SEX AIN'T gOT TO FEEL SO gOOD TO PRO-CREATE. WE CAN JUST DONATE OUR SPECIMEN SO IT CAN BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

MUSIC AIN'T A FACTOR FOR OUR SURVIVAL(UNLESSYOU AN ARTIST AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. REgARDLESS, THAT'S SOMETHIN' WE ENJOY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "And the fact that busting nut feels good also has a more logical answer then "A CREATOR WHO gAVE US THOSE gIFTS SO WE CAN INDULgE IN THIS FUCCED UP WORLD FOR WHAT IT IS." Sex feels good because if it didn't why would people seek it out?"

FOR OUR SURVIVAL. THE PURPOSE OF SEX IS TO PROCREATE. BUT IT FEELS SO gOOD, IT HAS BECOME SOMETHIN' MORE THAN THAT. SO LIKE I SAID, SEX DOESN'T HAVE TO FEEL gOOD. BUT THE FACT THAT IT DOES, IS TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE A CREATOR WHO CARES AND gAVE US THE ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE PLEASURE.
 
May 8, 2002
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some would argue that having sex the way you are sort of describing it isnt something that comes from GOD.

i mean it is very tempting to have sex just for the fun of it because the chick is hella hot but is that what GOD wanted???
 
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any1 can live, but every1 dies!...here to experience death, not every1 makes it to pass on thier genes, but every1 dies!
 
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birth, death, birth, death, birth, death...

There is an existence that endures beyond this cycle, beyond change...

If there isn't, then there is nothing... for nothing here is stable to be self-existent...


If it is most often the simplest answer, then the answer is SPIRIT!


It is the ONLY answer. There is no atheist substitute for existence itself.
 
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EDJ said:

EDJ wrote
I DON'T THINK, I KNOW. BUT THINK ABOUT IT. WE HAVE ALL THESE SENSES FOR PLEASURES CAUSE THEY WERE "DESIgNED" TO BE THERE. WHAT A COINCIDENCE THAT WE HAVE ALL THESE SENSES, BUT REALLY DON'T NEED THEM TO SURVIVE.

What in the shit are you talking about we dont need our senses to survive? IF you couldn't see, smell, touch, and hear things you wouldn't last very long. This isn't as much of an issue now because we no longer are on the bottom of the food chain. But you better damn well believe that when we were out on the plains of Africa at the bottom of the food chain ALL of those senses were very helpful. Of course they were "DESIgNED" to be there its called evolution. It is documented that the first of all these senses was smell (if you would like an explanation ask and i'll get it) and the rest evolved after that because they allowed the creatures that possesed them the ability to survive better.

EDJ wrote
YES INDEED. THEY WERE CREATED THAT WAY.

No, they Evolved that way.

EDJ wrote
BULLSHIT. FOOD AIN'T gOT TO TASTE SO gOOD SO WE CAN FORTIFY OUR BODIES. WE CAN SIMPLY TAKE A PILL WITH ALL THE FORTIFIED NUTRIENTS.
SEX AIN'T gOT TO FEEL SO gOOD TO PRO-CREATE. WE CAN JUST DONATE OUR SPECIMEN SO IT CAN BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

MUSIC AIN'T A FACTOR FOR OUR SURVIVAL(UNLESSYOU AN ARTIST AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. REgARDLESS, THAT'S SOMETHIN' WE ENJOY.

And where exactly would early human ancestors find these "Pills" laying around???:rolleyes: Taste is also a complex sense that arrose not because we needed to "enjoy" food. Humans have taste receptors for 5 different stimuli. Sweet, Sour, Salty, Bitter, and a new one just recently discovered called Umami (dont know the exact spelling). It makes perfect sense that we can recognize these different tastes. 1. Sweet- Indicates simple carbohydrates, gives our brain a good guess to the Glucose content of our food. Glucose as you should no is essential for cellular respiration and energy in our bodies. 2.Sour- Gives our brain a good approximation of the pH of the ingested food. 3.Salty-Again an approximation of the sodium (Na+) content. Na+ is involved in almost all cellular funtions bringing various ions and molecules across the cellular membrane. 4. Bitter- As you might assume things toxic to the human body usually taste bitter, so these receptor are a good indicator of the toxicity. 5. Umami-is not fully understood as of right now but it has something to do with Glutamate which is the most common amino acid, and therefore gives the brain an approximation of the protein content. PRotein is essential for a lot of cell construction and Genetic coding. So you see taste has performed many tasks that are helpful in determining the content of the food we eat. The fact that people "enjoy" different food, is just a matter of personal taste. But rest assured that if someone is starving they will eat just about anything reguardless of taste.

EDJ wrote
FOR OUR SURVIVAL. THE PURPOSE OF SEX IS TO PROCREATE. BUT IT FEELS SO gOOD, IT HAS BECOME SOMETHIN' MORE THAN THAT. SO LIKE I SAID, SEX DOESN'T HAVE TO FEEL gOOD. BUT THE FACT THAT IT DOES, IS TESTIMONY THAT WE HAVE A CREATOR WHO CARES AND gAVE US THE ABILITY TO EXPERIENCE PLEASURE.
You're damn right its for survival. The reason it has become " MORE THAN THAT." is just because people are no longer hunter gatherers relying on their senses for survival. People have become thinkers, artists scientists, philosophers because humans have TIME to do these things.
Please continue the debate...


*edit* oops i fucked that up, my reply is in amongst where i quoted you EDJ
 
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People shouldnt worry about why they are here, they shouldnt think about that. They also shouldn't completely ignore it either, they should just do routine things and not focus on one thing. You'll never find an answer like this if you look for it, you must not try to look for it and it will come by itself.
 

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LOL @ BLIgHT.

JIM BEAM,
YOU STRESSED, "What in the shit are you talking about we dont need our senses to survive? IF you couldn't see, smell, touch, and hear things you wouldn't last very long."

BULLSHIT. MAYBE IF YOU WERE OUT IN THE WILDERNESS WITHOUT NO HELP. BUT I'M TALKIN' BOUT IF YOU WERE MISSIN' ONE OF THOSE SENSES VERSUS ALL OF THEM.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "This isn't as much of an issue now because we no longer are on the bottom of the food chain."

EVEN IF WE WERE, SOME OF THE SENSES DON'T HAVE NOTHIN' TO DO WITH SURVIVIN'.

THEN YOU STRESSED, ". But you better damn well believe that when we were out on the plains of Africa at the bottom of the food chain ALL of those senses were very helpful."

YES, THEY COULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, BUT NOT ESSENTIAL.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Of course they were "DESIgNED" to be there its called evolution."

I BEg TO DIFFER. EVOLUTION IS A THEORY THAT LIFE STARTED "JUST CAUSE"(ATLEAST THAT'S ONE OF THE THEORIES), NOT BECAUSE IT WAS "DESIgNED". SOMETHIN' THAT IS "DESIgNED" IS PLANNED OUT, BY A CREATOR OF THAT DESIgN. IF THIS EXISTENCE JUST HAPPENED, JUST BY ACCIDENT, THEN WE WOULDN'T BE SO DELICATELY DESIgNED. WE WOULD ALL BE SOME MORPHED UP BULLSHIT.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It is documented that the first of all these senses was smell (if you would like an explanation ask and i'll get it) and the rest evolved after that because they allowed the creatures that possesed them the ability to survive better."

YES, PLEASE gIVE AN EXPLANATION AS SMELL BEIN' THE FIRST SENSE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "No, they Evolved that way."

NOT FACTUAL. EVOLUTION IS A "THEORY", NOT A FACT OR A SCIENCE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "And where exactly would early human ancestors find these "Pills" laying around???"

NOBODY SAID THAT OUR ANCESTORS WOULD FIND PILLS LAYIN' AROUND. MY POINT IS THAT YOU CAN DO WITHOUT TASTE, CAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARY FOR SURVIVAL. IT'S AN ADDED PLEASURE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "Taste is also a complex sense that arrose not because we needed to "enjoy" food. Humans have taste receptors for 5 different stimuli. Sweet, Sour, Salty, Bitter, and a new one just recently discovered called Umami (dont know the exact spelling). "

NO SHIT. WE DON'T "NEED" TO TASTE FOOD. BUT SINCE WE HAVE IT, IT HAS BEEN STUDIED AND RESEARCHED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "It makes perfect sense that we can recognize these different tastes. 1. Sweet- Indicates simple carbohydrates, gives our brain a good guess to the Glucose content of our food. Glucose as you should no is essential for cellular respiration and energy in our bodies. 2.Sour- Gives our brain a good approximation of the pH of the ingested food. 3.Salty-Again an approximation of the sodium (Na+) content. Na+ is involved in almost all cellular funtions bringing various ions and molecules across the cellular membrane. 4. Bitter- As you might assume things toxic to the human body usually taste bitter, so these receptor are a good indicator of the toxicity. 5. Umami-is not fully understood as of right now but it has something to do with Glutamate which is the most common amino acid, and therefore gives the brain an approximation of the protein content. PRotein is essential for a lot of cell construction and Genetic coding."

THAT'S WHAT IT BREAKS DOWN TO. BUT IT AIN'T LIKE EVERYBODY KNOWS THE PERCENTAgE OF WHAT IS gOIN' IN THEY BODY. IF SOMETHIN' TASTE gOOD TO AN INDIVIDUAL, THAT FOOD IS gONNA BE DEVOURED AND INDULgED, REgARDLESS OF WHAT SUgARS, CARBS, FATTY ACIDS, AMINO ACIDS, PROTEIN, AND WHATEVA TYPE OF SUBSTANCE IS CONSUMED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "So you see taste has performed many tasks that are helpful in determining the content of the food we eat."

YES INDEED. WHAT A gLORIOUS AND CHARITABLE CREATOR WE HAVE FOR gIVIN' US SUCH gIFT. OUR BODIES FUNCTIONS ARE REMARKABLE AND HAVE YET TO BEgUN TO UNDA-STAND IT'S COMPLEXITY.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "The fact that people "enjoy" different food, is just a matter of personal taste."

YES, WE KNOW THIS. BUT WE DON'T NEED IT TO SURVIVE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "But rest assured that if someone is starving they will eat just about anything reguardless of taste."

EXACTLY. SO WE DON'T NEED IT TO SURVIVE.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "You're damn right its for survival. The reason it has become " MORE THAN THAT." is just because people are no longer hunter gatherers relying on their senses for survival."

NO, CAUSE BEIN' WHATEVA WE IS, WE STILL HUMAN. HUMAN'S ARE WARM-BLOODED BEINgS, THAT NEED LOVE AND BE NURTURED.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "People have become thinkers, artists scientists, philosophers because humans have TIME to do these things.
Please continue the debate..."

SEX IS A PLEASURE, WHETHA WE HAVE TIME FOR IT OR NOT, WHETHA WE DWELL IN CAgES OR IN A SPACESHIP. THE REASON WHY SEX HAS BECOME MORE THAN AN ACT TO PROCREATE AND KEEP THE SPECIES gOIN' IS CAUSE IT'S VERY PLEASURABLE. CAUSE OF IT WE HAVE ALL KIND OF SHIT IN THIS DAY AND AgE AND THAT'S THE "MORE THAN THAT" PART.

THEN YOU STRESSED, "*edit* oops i fucked that up, my reply is in amongst where i quoted you EDJ"

gOT IT.

MCLEANHATCH,
YOU STRESSED, "some would argue that having sex the way you are sort of describing it isnt something that comes from GOD."

HOW'S THAT?

THEN YOU STRESSED, "i mean it is very tempting to have sex just for the fun of it because the chick is hella hot but is that what GOD wanted???"

DEPENDS ON YOUR BASIC BELIEFS. I BELIEVE THAT SEX WAS PUT HERE TO ENJOY BUT WITH THE OPPOSITE SEX YOU MARRY. THOSE ARE THE RULES TO IT. WHETHA WE CAN STILL FIND PLEASURE IN OTHAS IS NO QUESTION. OF COURSE WE PHYSICALLY COULD. BUT THAT'S WHEN MORALITY COMES INTO PLAY. AND WE AIN'T TALKIN' BOUT SUCH.