"White" rappers in a "black" game????

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MY girl has an assignment for class at UC Berkeley and she wanted to get some feedback about this issue from Bay Area artists, both established and up-and-coming ( fans included).

Here's what she would like to know:
" wassup ya'll...I just wanted some honest feedback--no one will be criticized...I'm doing a project for an ethnic studies class at Berkeley and I wanted to find out what's going on racially in the bay area rap scene. More folks as producer/rappers is comin' up from the south bay (san mateo, redwood city, south city...), outside of the inner city hoods where the majority of bay area rap started. Some people might see this as somewhat "taking black culture." (Rap started as a way of giving a voice to racialized, marginalized and even segregated communities who didn't have a voice in the mainstream culture--hence music about struggles in the "ghetto"...) So, what do you think of this view point? For those that may be categorized as "white rappers," what got you interested in rap and what are you trying to contribute to the rap game? Do you think there is a difference between a white rapper and a black rapper besides skin color? What makes a rapper valid? Anyone can respond to any of these questions and even expand on them.
If you feel offended - don't. This is a chance for folks to speak out openly about this touchy subject. So, do tha damn thang..."

If you would like to email me on this subject, with questions or comments you don't want to be seen here, use

[email protected]

Thank You-Peace
 
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Simple....white people are trying to take rap away from the black culture. They dont understand rap, they just see it as a way to make easy money and get famous. Rap has meaning behind it, not just money and fame. U got white rappers everywhere now, but aint these same people who was saying ban rap when it first came out?
 
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Well since I am an up and coming Latino artist then I guess I don't have a say on this.
But go to the East Co.Co. board and see if you can get a response from Woodie.
You can probably get a hold of B-12 and Dutch on the BART board.
These are white cats in the game, (they are actually talented unlike those mainstream wanna-be rappers) they are coo people so they might be able to help you....
 
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Mista Sinista said:
Simple....white people are trying to take rap away from the black culture. They dont understand rap, they just see it as a way to make easy money and get famous. Rap has meaning behind it, not just money and fame.
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Yeah I'm sure theres a deeper message behind 50 cents mumblings, but since I'm white I cant pick it up....:rolleyes:
 
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Tell the bitch to shut her hoe mouth and gobble your penis immediately cuz that's all she's good for.
 
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Jim_beam said:
Yeah I'm sure theres a deeper message behind 50 cents mumblings, but since I'm white I cant pick it up....:rolleyes:
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Yall white rappers will never understand nothing about rap. Fuck what the media tell you! A young black male is born with the knowledge of rap because its our culture. Some of us may not know how to rap ourselves, but we still understand the origin of it and what it really stands for.
 
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Now its racist because Im tellin the truth? When rap first came out...u couldnt find a white rapper nowhere because they were too busy tryin to ban rap. Back then, rap wasnt as much of a goldmine as it is now. But now that rap is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, why all of a sudden white people wanna rap now? Where was they when rap was being talked down on and people was tryin to ban it? Damn, thats right....they was the ones doing the talkin down and tryin to ban it.
 
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Ok so thanks for all your opinions, ideas and answers. I will be doing a mini-documentary that will be shown in my class by December 8th. So I would be great if any of you would like to take part in this ( essentially folks in and around SF, East Bay or willing to travel here). I have more questions that I would like to ask in person about this subject. In the meantime if you want to speak on these other questions....
Is there an image that you have to portray to be a rapper? Honestly, taking into account someone's class (upper, middle, working...), gender, race, and even sexuality...would and are some rappers more accepted than others? Bluntly, why aren't there more gay or women or say, asian rappers out there? What makes rap universal?
Thanks again, I'm lookin forward to working with you. Again, if anything you can reach me at [email protected].
 
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Mista Sinista said:
Simple....white people are trying to take rap away from the black culture. They dont understand rap, they just see it as a way to make easy money and get famous. Rap has meaning behind it, not just money and fame. U got white rappers everywhere now, but aint these same people who was saying ban rap when it first came out?
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Thats like me saying that your just doing graphic design (a predominately white profession) to make money, and you don't care about design you just wanna make money off the latest trends. Your making generalizations and prejudgements, throwing all whites into one group when we consist of many differen't opinions and views...
 
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Mista Sinista said:
Simple....white people are trying to take rap away from the black culture. They dont understand rap, they just see it as a way to make easy money and get famous. Rap has meaning behind it, not just money and fame. U got white rappers everywhere now, but aint these same people who was saying ban rap when it first came out?
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^^^ Who is this retard wolfing about nothing. This thread should have been called "Black" rappers in a "White" game??? You blacks didnt make up rap it was indians that started DA GAME Yo.

I put this up because this thread is about as stupid as the above post. Ill say this Iam better then most black people at "Their" own game so tell me how your black theory rules into this situation. You cant because your hella scared that a white person becomes better then you at rapping. Dont be such a fucking pussy. I never said ban rap. EDJ how are going to speak on something like that when your half white? Mista you are not saying shit. I think your one of the very few racist black people who are greedy and want to hold rap to themselves and think fuck whitey, well guess what fuck you. Ill rip you and your homies black or white. Race means nothing when it comes to me flowing, you need to analyze the situation and understand that rap isnt a black white thing its a universal thing. Deal with and stop acting like a racist bitch.

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Mista Sinista said:
Simple....white people are trying to take rap away from the black culture. They dont understand rap, they just see it as a way to make easy money and get famous. Rap has meaning behind it, not just money and fame. U got white rappers everywhere now, but aint these same people who was saying ban rap when it first came out?
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How is it that you know so much about what white people think? So white people are trying to steal rap, is this anything like black people trying to take over basketball and football? I'm willing to bet you will have a nice excuse for that one, hypocrite. You see one white rapper selling millions of albums, and all of the sudden we are stealing it? We have been here from the get, have you ever heard of the Beastie Boys? What gives you the impression that we don't understand it dog...? Go listen to 50 cent and then listen to the Beastie Boys and tell me who you thinks has a better understanding of what hip-hop really is. It is apparent to me that African Americans (in the main stream) have a much harder time understanding it. And if they did understand it, why are they flushing it down the toilet?

When did Eminem or Buba Sparxxx try to ban rap?

Mista Sinista said:
Yall white rappers will never understand nothing about rap. Fuck what the media tell you! A young black male is born with the knowledge of rap because its our culture. Some of us may not know how to rap ourselves, but we still understand the origin of it and what it really stands for.
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What the fuck do you know about what white people understand? If a black man is born with the knowledge of rap's origin, and how it signifies your culture, why is he destroying it with talk of killing, robbing, and expensive cars? Is this what your culture is about, feeding this to your children? From the looks of it, white people understand it more than black people do.

Mista Sinista said:
Now its racist because Im tellin the truth? When rap first came out...u couldnt find a white rapper nowhere because they were too busy tryin to ban rap. Back then, rap wasnt as much of a goldmine as it is now. But now that rap is a multi-billion dollar a year industry, why all of a sudden white people wanna rap now? Where was they when rap was being talked down on and people was tryin to ban it? Damn, thats right....they was the ones doing the talkin down and tryin to ban it.
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No it's racist because your sitting on your prejudice ass saying that none of these white people understand what rap music is about, when in actuality, how many of these rappers have you even met? Have you talked with *ANY* of them? NO. So how is it that you know what *ALL* of them are thinking and understanding when it comes to hip-hop. When rap first came out there WERE white rappers; did you know the Beastie Boys have been around since the early 80's? According to your sig, they were in this game before you were even born. White people have been trying to rap since the beginning, but it's racist black kids like you that reject them because of their skin color, just like your doing now. Don't you see that what your doing now is just like what racist white people did when black people first tried to enter the professional sporting world? It's the same shit accept the tables are turned. Your trying to reject the white man from entering the game, so your going to have to watch them enter it by force. Now maybe you can spare yourself some dignity as I question you once more, tell this board what current white rapper ever tried to ban rap music, as you stated in your last line.

Some of you are so lost in this world you can't even see past your own hate and racist ways. I have to say Sinista, I think your afraid of the white man just like EDJ is. You guys are so confused... the other day EDJ was telling me that white people have owned rap from the beginning, now he is agreeing with you that they are trying to steal it. See what I mean?

Just accept it because it's inevitable.

You can be a part of it, or you can be looked at as the black man who tried to reject and deny a white man opportunity.
 
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Mista Sinista said:
Yall white rappers will never understand nothing about rap. Fuck what the media tell you! A young black male is born with the knowledge of rap because its our culture. Some of us may not know how to rap ourselves, but we still understand the origin of it and what it really stands for.
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First drop this Race ignorance.

Second realize that This Rap Game is a Venting tool for any race period.

If a Black man is born in Bel Air to a wealthy Family and is very well off does he have more justification to this game than a White kid who grew up in the Ghettos of Oakland?

Third NO One is born with knowledge. That includes Blacks Whites And Mexican. We get Educated or Educate ourself. A kid that is five doesnt know more about this Rap game than lets say Eminem just cause the Kid is black.

And if you want the origin of rap look farther than you think. Try going back to the Slavery Days, But not the slavery days your thinking of.

Try going back to the time of Moses. They were "Rapping" about the struggles that they had thousands of years ago. so does that mean only they should be rapping right now?

Cause you said you know the History of it you should know it was a way to talk about the Trials that they endured. Well let me leave it like this. Anyone that will dismiss a person because of skin tone has a problem, especially when in America today 90% of citizens whos parents were born in the USA are "NOT" pure Blood of a certain Race. But they are of mixed blood.


Do you know what races you are?

Educate your mind and open your eyes.
 
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NTRO THE gURU,
51ST OF ALL,
KEEP MY NAME OUT YOUR DENTAL.

XCONDLY,
I NEVA SAID THE WHITEMAN OWNED RAP FROM THE BEgINNIN'. CHEK YOURSELF. WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS DISCUSSION. KEEP IT IN THAT THREAD.

3RDLY,
I AIN'T AFRAID OF SHIT. YOU DON'T KNOW ME LIKE THAT TO TRY TO LABEL ME. SO CHEK YOURSELF.

EPIDEMIC,

CUZZ, I AIN'T HALF WHITE. WHO TOLD YOU THAT LIE? MEXICAN AND BLAK FOO'. FUK THE REST.
 
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