Which parts of the human body could you design better?
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It's probably best that we recap what we have so far...
I point out that an eternally self-satisfied God is not interested in created things. You then ask why I pray to Him, obviously implying that we are created. I answer that we are not created. You agree, but herein lies our dilemma. You agree that we are not created because you don't believe in a creator (i.e. God). So the problem is with the term "created." Hence I clarified by saying that we are neither created nor produced, neither by God nor through processes of material nature.
Remember, our premise in this line of discussion is the existence of an eternally self-satisfied God. I used the term "created" because it is included in that theistic worldview, though it is worth pointing out that the initial argument about God not being interested in created things applies to all things that are not eternal. In other words, when I used the term "created" I was referring to all that which is not eternally existing.
Since God is eternally self-satisfied, if I am to pray to Him and this connection with Him is valid, then that would logically constitute that I am also eternal and that I am in some way part of God's internal potency through which He is eternally satisfied.
I point out that an eternally self-satisfied God is not interested in created things. You then ask why I pray to Him, obviously implying that we are created. I answer that we are not created. You agree, but herein lies our dilemma. You agree that we are not created because you don't believe in a creator (i.e. God). So the problem is with the term "created." Hence I clarified by saying that we are neither created nor produced, neither by God nor through processes of material nature.
Remember, our premise in this line of discussion is the existence of an eternally self-satisfied God. I used the term "created" because it is included in that theistic worldview, though it is worth pointing out that the initial argument about God not being interested in created things applies to all things that are not eternal. In other words, when I used the term "created" I was referring to all that which is not eternally existing.
Since God is eternally self-satisfied, if I am to pray to Him and this connection with Him is valid, then that would logically constitute that I am also eternal and that I am in some way part of God's internal potency through which He is eternally satisfied.
By the way, this observation is completely valueless in the context of our discussion. The reason being that whether humanity as a species is eternal or not, each individual human is not. And we are talking about individuals praying to God, not about a species. Also, if we are accepting the premise of the theistic worldview, then we are saying that all material forms are temporary. But then, we know that material forms are temporary without referring to the theistic worldview. So either way, your implied argument here is nonsense.
This is true cause God never said how old Heaven and Earth was when he created it. Genesis 1:1-2
1. In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This is why I believe the world isn't 6000 years old, but the existence of Man.
The Big Bang theory, the Billion year old theory have validity in these two verses, of course many of you non-believers are just going to pass it off, but for those of interest, enjoy.
@916 you're right, we were eternally existing, WE WERE IN THE THOUGHTS OF GOD HIMSELF! We existed before the Foundation of the Earth, in His Wisdom. Read Provers chapter 8 my brother, it's a good chapter! HaShem!
1. In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth.
2. And the earth was without form, and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
This is why I believe the world isn't 6000 years old, but the existence of Man.
The Big Bang theory, the Billion year old theory have validity in these two verses, of course many of you non-believers are just going to pass it off, but for those of interest, enjoy.
@916 you're right, we were eternally existing, WE WERE IN THE THOUGHTS OF GOD HIMSELF! We existed before the Foundation of the Earth, in His Wisdom. Read Provers chapter 8 my brother, it's a good chapter! HaShem!