Which is more likely.......

[Nuttkase]

I get what you are saying.

Maybe I should have just said that I find it just as hard to believe that God has existed forever (always was and always will be) as you find it hard to believe that the universe came out of nothing (which I really don't know if I believe that or not at this point in my life.)

Good topic by the way.

Nuttkace

 

[Dirty Shoez]

I don't really know what to believe either. Its crazy. This whole thread is actually making me less religious, which doesn't even make any sense!

 

[Anaheim*Rob]

^

You should watch David Icke - Secrets of the Matrix

Here's some David Icke Ebooks if anyone wants to check them out.
http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke__2005-11-27_ebook+-+david+icke+-.pdf

http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke2__2005-11-27_david+icke+related+-.pdf

http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke3__2005-11-27_david+icke+highly+im.pdf

 

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Because if God has existed forever, then science and time both have no basis. Science and time are officially light-switches that can be turned on and off whenever God feels like it. Everything you `know' now (x amount of days in a year, distance from the sun, etc.) means nothing, and is only what God has wanted you to believe all along.

The same can't be said for a Godless, science-driven universe. You are REQUIRED to explain how the first matter was created. You ARE NOT allowed to simply say that it "existed", otherwise, all other science (well, astronomy, biology and most everything but math) implodes.

^^^^You make an interesting point.

Essentially what I was trying to say before is that in your equation which everyone including myself is choosing X+0=1, this is true only beacause SOMETHING must create something but assuming that something is "god" is where I have an objection. The X in the equation could symbolize anything from God to the Big Bang or My Imagination to Aliens...

My reservation for believing in God, and I realize this is coming from my very limited human persepective, but I do not understand how a God could really care for, let alone love, all the billions of people ever to exist and however many other types of intelligent life forms might be out there. Good thread BTW.

 

[COPIUM]

I don't really know what to believe either. Its crazy. This whole thread is actually making me less religious, which doesn't even make any sense!

haha everytime i come to this board it makes me less religous, even tho im not deeply into religion.

 

[iaoish]

Here's some David Icke Ebooks if anyone wants to check them out.
http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke__2005-11-27_ebook+-+david+icke+-.pdf

http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke2__2005-11-27_david+icke+related+-.pdf

http://www.badongo.com/file.php?file=David+Icke3__2005-11-27_david+icke+highly+im.pdf

Thanks for the input, I really have to watch that documentairy again.. because I looked at it for too long of period of time last time and it's too much info for my brain to hold it in one time...

 

[Merciedez]

(0+0=1 = (x+0=1)) = 1
0+0=1
or
(x+0=1)2 =1

the equation is still 1. the equal sign (result) defines the fact not the fact define the result.