Which college football school U most want to return to its good days
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The Allen Bailey part is what makes me think you follow the Canes.
James played hurt for the most part of last year. Plus he was splitting carries with Graig Cooper. James will be 100 percent this year. Bailey is healing from an injury he substaned during weighlifting. But yes, Bailey is going to be a beast. But if Marve isn't doing so well, Randy will throw in Jacory Harris. If Harris doesn't do well, he could throw in Taylor Cook or Cannon Smith. But I think Marve is as good as advertised. Plus we have a whole new line of WRs who have alot of potential.
James played hurt for the most part of last year. Plus he was splitting carries with Graig Cooper. James will be 100 percent this year. Bailey is healing from an injury he substaned during weighlifting. But yes, Bailey is going to be a beast. But if Marve isn't doing so well, Randy will throw in Jacory Harris. If Harris doesn't do well, he could throw in Taylor Cook or Cannon Smith. But I think Marve is as good as advertised. Plus we have a whole new line of WRs who have alot of potential.
Imo I think jacory woud be a better fix @qb but from what I hear marve is the front runner so far, but the o-line will be soild this year to with Reggie Youngblood at lt & Jason Fox rt but I don't know too much about Xavier Shannon, randy son the problem will be at the guards . I hear that wr Aldarius Johnson will have an breakout season if they can get him the ball.
I have been back to Notre Dame for a game each of the last 3 years b/c one of my best friends went there and worked in the football program during the Willingham era. That does not make me right or you wrong, but I can tell you that the overwhelming majority of their fanbase thinks he was a very poor recruiter, or at the very least tailed off severely (and the rankings, while not perfect of course, show this). His last three classes at Notre Dame went #13, #5 and #30. So #13 and #5 are certainly high as I am sure you will dwell on, but a big part of what got him fired was that #30, which was the lowest at Notre Dame in a long time. Of course #30 is high, but with the advantages you've got at Notre Dame, that's serious underachievement.
And as you somewhat acknowledged in your post, if you give Weiss's success to Willingham, then you have to give Willingham's success to Bob Davie. You can't have it both ways.
Something that the anti-Willingham crowd often dwells on is the harping of this point. Did you know that Stanford did not finish that year in the top 25, and did not defeat a single team in the top 25 that year on their way to the Rose Bowl? The year he took Stanford to the RB was the worst year in the history of Pac-10 football. Washington stomped them at Husky Stadium, that was the game Tui went for 300 in the air and 200 on the ground.
His squad that year would've finished 4th, maybe 3rd if they were extremely lucky in a normal Pac-10. But that appearance, b/c they're Stanford and have their higher academic standards, has given him so much mileage over his career.
That's true. So with that comes increased expectations for winning. 3 years in, he has finished in last place twice and 9th place once. He is 1-8 against the Northwest (the fuckin Northwest, not the power region in the Pac-10 these days). He is a career .500 coach who has spent about half his career at 2 of the 20 winningest programs of all time. He is the highest paid coach in Washington history, and has produced the 27th, 28th and 29th best seasons out of the last 30.
He is the only "non-Oregon State in the dark ages" coach in the history of the Pac-10 to be retained for a 4th year with a conference winning percentage at his level. His simple presence on the sidelines this year really is uncharted territory.
I know that you like to argue on here, that's fine.
I was not an anti-Willingham guy for awhile. I knew the realities of the situation (which some of Washington history honkers didn't acknowledge), we fucking sucked. I was officially off the bandwagon after last year's Arizona game. Then you put the Apple Cup embarassment and the Hawaii game on top of that Arizona game, it gives me no faith in the direction of the program under his leadership.
After this year he will be gone. I am a member of a growing faction of college football fans and social scientists who believe he is actually setting black coaches back.
And as you somewhat acknowledged in your post, if you give Weiss's success to Willingham, then you have to give Willingham's success to Bob Davie. You can't have it both ways.
Something that the anti-Willingham crowd often dwells on is the harping of this point. Did you know that Stanford did not finish that year in the top 25, and did not defeat a single team in the top 25 that year on their way to the Rose Bowl? The year he took Stanford to the RB was the worst year in the history of Pac-10 football. Washington stomped them at Husky Stadium, that was the game Tui went for 300 in the air and 200 on the ground.
His squad that year would've finished 4th, maybe 3rd if they were extremely lucky in a normal Pac-10. But that appearance, b/c they're Stanford and have their higher academic standards, has given him so much mileage over his career.
That's true. So with that comes increased expectations for winning. 3 years in, he has finished in last place twice and 9th place once. He is 1-8 against the Northwest (the fuckin Northwest, not the power region in the Pac-10 these days). He is a career .500 coach who has spent about half his career at 2 of the 20 winningest programs of all time. He is the highest paid coach in Washington history, and has produced the 27th, 28th and 29th best seasons out of the last 30.
He is the only "non-Oregon State in the dark ages" coach in the history of the Pac-10 to be retained for a 4th year with a conference winning percentage at his level. His simple presence on the sidelines this year really is uncharted territory.
I know that you like to argue on here, that's fine.
I was not an anti-Willingham guy for awhile. I knew the realities of the situation (which some of Washington history honkers didn't acknowledge), we fucking sucked. I was officially off the bandwagon after last year's Arizona game. Then you put the Apple Cup embarassment and the Hawaii game on top of that Arizona game, it gives me no faith in the direction of the program under his leadership.
After this year he will be gone. I am a member of a growing faction of college football fans and social scientists who believe he is actually setting black coaches back.
Willingham Facts (Not Opinions, Facts). Of course all facts are open to interpretation, but no intelligent discussion about this man can be held without atleast acknowledging these facts (and inevitably arguing about their interpretations).
He has a lifetime record of .500
He has a MEDIAN season record of 5-7
He is the only coach in Husky history to coach for 3 losing season.
He has led the team in 6 consecutive losses all three years
He has a losing record against teams who end the season with a losing record
He has had 3 consecutive losing records at home
He is the worst coach in Husky history
He finished 10th, 9th, 10th out of the ten teams of the Pacific Ten Conference
He has collected the second largest salary in the Pac 10 yielding the worst results in the Pac 10 for 3 consecutive years.
He has a lifetime record of .500
He has a MEDIAN season record of 5-7
He is the only coach in Husky history to coach for 3 losing season.
He has led the team in 6 consecutive losses all three years
He has a losing record against teams who end the season with a losing record
He has had 3 consecutive losing records at home
He is the worst coach in Husky history
He finished 10th, 9th, 10th out of the ten teams of the Pacific Ten Conference
He has collected the second largest salary in the Pac 10 yielding the worst results in the Pac 10 for 3 consecutive years.
Ty's .500 lifetime record is worse than the lifetime records of:
Don James: .69844
Jim Lambright: .63571
Neuheisel: .6875
Gilby: .51877
Now let's compare Ty's best single season records to the AVERAGES of these other coaches.
Don James: In 13 years, Ty has had only 2 seasons with higher winning percentages than Don Jame's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Jame's lifetime average...
Neuheisel: In 13 years, Ty has had only 2 seasons with higher winning percentages than Neuheisel's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Neu's lifetime average...
Jim Lambright: In 13 years, Ty has had only 3 seasons with higher winning percentages than Lambright's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Lambright's lifetime average...
Gilbertson: In 13 years, Ty has had only 5 seasons with higher winning percentages than Gilby's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Gilby's lifetime average...
Don James: .69844
Jim Lambright: .63571
Neuheisel: .6875
Gilby: .51877
Now let's compare Ty's best single season records to the AVERAGES of these other coaches.
Don James: In 13 years, Ty has had only 2 seasons with higher winning percentages than Don Jame's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Jame's lifetime average...
Neuheisel: In 13 years, Ty has had only 2 seasons with higher winning percentages than Neuheisel's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Neu's lifetime average...
Jim Lambright: In 13 years, Ty has had only 3 seasons with higher winning percentages than Lambright's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Lambright's lifetime average...
Gilbertson: In 13 years, Ty has had only 5 seasons with higher winning percentages than Gilby's LIFETIME AVERAGE...
Since coming to UW, Ty has had 0 seasons with higher winning percentages than Gilby's lifetime average...
Facts:
Ty has had 6 winning seasons and 7 losing seasons during his 13 year career.
Ty has had back to back winning seasons twice out of 13 years.
Ty has had three winning years in a row exactly NEVER.
His average record following a winning season (keep in mind this includes his two back to backs, once in his first two years at Stanford and once spanning his last year at Stanford and his first at ND) is 5.5-6.
His average record in the second of back to back winning seasons is 8.5-4.
If we do not include the two back to backs and instead look at the other 67% of his winning seasons, they were followed by average records of 4-7.
It appears Ty may be short handed in leading us back to consistent excellence regardless of how much time he's given.
Ty has had 6 winning seasons and 7 losing seasons during his 13 year career.
Ty has had back to back winning seasons twice out of 13 years.
Ty has had three winning years in a row exactly NEVER.
His average record following a winning season (keep in mind this includes his two back to backs, once in his first two years at Stanford and once spanning his last year at Stanford and his first at ND) is 5.5-6.
His average record in the second of back to back winning seasons is 8.5-4.
If we do not include the two back to backs and instead look at the other 67% of his winning seasons, they were followed by average records of 4-7.
It appears Ty may be short handed in leading us back to consistent excellence regardless of how much time he's given.
Willingham should have been axed last year, IMO. He has to at LEAST go to a bowl game this year to even be considered coming back next year, so in the deep part of my mind, i want them to suck....which i hate to admit. We need to get him out of there, period.
With that said, they wont win any more games than last year, even with an "easier" schedule. The Sooners are going to embarrass the Dawgs at home, to add even more fire to the whole Sonics/OKC thing.
With that said, they wont win any more games than last year, even with an "easier" schedule. The Sooners are going to embarrass the Dawgs at home, to add even more fire to the whole Sonics/OKC thing.
I agree with almost all of what you said, so I guess it doesn't really matter why we think he sucks, we're both more or less on the same page.
I really understand the dilemma with wanting them to lose in the deep part of your mind, that's tough. But I think that's a mental battle to fight in November not July. Hell, I want them to go beat Oregon week 1, ride the momentum and beat BYU, shock Oklahoma and give those fuckers a beating to add fire to the Sonics thing (you're dead on about that one by the way, that game will mean a little more now). I want Willingham to shove it up my ass this year and go finish near the top of the Pac-10 and go to a bowl game and then go to bowl games every year and be the next Don James. Don't root against them yet, that's not what good fans do.
Late in the year is a little different story though, I remember fighting that battle w/ myself when I was in Tennessee watching the Hawaii game. When they blew that one at the end, it didn't sting quite as bad as it normally would have b/c I figured he was gone. But then a few days later when it was announced he was back, then that Hawaii loss all of a sudden stung an awful lot more.
I think defining it as a "Bowl Game" is a shitty way to do it, b/c nowadays there are so many soft cock bowls out there. The real criteria should be "upper half of Pac-10." So in my opinion, for him to earn that 5th year we have to finish atleast 5th in the Pac-10, preferably 4th or better.
I prefer to refer to him as "Lionel Losingham" or "Try Willingham."
I really understand the dilemma with wanting them to lose in the deep part of your mind, that's tough. But I think that's a mental battle to fight in November not July. Hell, I want them to go beat Oregon week 1, ride the momentum and beat BYU, shock Oklahoma and give those fuckers a beating to add fire to the Sonics thing (you're dead on about that one by the way, that game will mean a little more now). I want Willingham to shove it up my ass this year and go finish near the top of the Pac-10 and go to a bowl game and then go to bowl games every year and be the next Don James. Don't root against them yet, that's not what good fans do.
Late in the year is a little different story though, I remember fighting that battle w/ myself when I was in Tennessee watching the Hawaii game. When they blew that one at the end, it didn't sting quite as bad as it normally would have b/c I figured he was gone. But then a few days later when it was announced he was back, then that Hawaii loss all of a sudden stung an awful lot more.
I think defining it as a "Bowl Game" is a shitty way to do it, b/c nowadays there are so many soft cock bowls out there. The real criteria should be "upper half of Pac-10." So in my opinion, for him to earn that 5th year we have to finish atleast 5th in the Pac-10, preferably 4th or better.
I prefer to refer to him as "Lionel Losingham" or "Try Willingham."
Miami to use Marve and Harris at quarterback
Posted by ESPN.com's Heather Dinich
Miami coach Randy Shannon still hasn't named a starter, but he did say Thursday that Robert Marve and Jacory Harris will both play this season.
This is smart, and when you think about it, Shannon really doesn't have much choice. None of the quarterbacks on the roster have thrown in a college game, and they need all the experience they can get.
This isn't going to be the same system Frank Beamer used toward the second half of last season with Sean Glennon and Tyrod Taylor. One of these Hurricanes will earn the starting nod and the other will get some reps just for the experience, should he be needed to start at any point during the season.
Miami's offense didn't exactly flourish last year under Kyle Wright and Kirby Freeman. (Ranked No. 11 in the ACC in total offense, No. 12 in pass offense, No. 11 in scoring offense.) Can it improve under this duo? Eventually, it should.
Who will start on Aug. 28 against Charleston Southern?
We have to wait until then to find out
Posted by ESPN.com's Heather Dinich
Miami coach Randy Shannon still hasn't named a starter, but he did say Thursday that Robert Marve and Jacory Harris will both play this season.
This is smart, and when you think about it, Shannon really doesn't have much choice. None of the quarterbacks on the roster have thrown in a college game, and they need all the experience they can get.
This isn't going to be the same system Frank Beamer used toward the second half of last season with Sean Glennon and Tyrod Taylor. One of these Hurricanes will earn the starting nod and the other will get some reps just for the experience, should he be needed to start at any point during the season.
Miami's offense didn't exactly flourish last year under Kyle Wright and Kirby Freeman. (Ranked No. 11 in the ACC in total offense, No. 12 in pass offense, No. 11 in scoring offense.) Can it improve under this duo? Eventually, it should.
Who will start on Aug. 28 against Charleston Southern?
We have to wait until then to find out
