when will the northwest rappers come together

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May 11, 2008
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^^^ Feel you homie... Real talk... On the real it ain't the artists that need to necessarily back up each other up. It's the people of the Northwest.. And ain't no way that we gone get someone to follow us if all we are doin' is talkin' about the same shit that everyone else is talkin' about... Man fuck the typical club songs and fuck the gangster rap... Let's do our own thing....
 
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errything sound good... but at the end of the day, the reason why certain areas got more unity, is because niggas got more HUSTLE... miami is united because they spend with each other.. down south, niggas got hustles that makes it easy for them to spend 5-15 g's wit one another...

mufuckas is broke out here... if i charged the same for beats in portland/seattle, as i do out here, niggas would laugh nervously tryna think of excuses to tell me they dont have enough..

but i mean, mufuckas work on love occasionally... but workin together for the sake of workin together dont do much, if you dont like the mufucka, or think hes garbage... then it just becomes a waste of time... but if this is your career, then invest in it and youll get what you pay for...


i dont care if your from my straight rivals hood, if your payin me for my work, then youll get a beat plain an simple... chances are, if you spend big on music, then your serious about it being successful..
 
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So then........if an Iphone sells for $300 in the states, I should take it to the middle of Bangladesh (or some place where they don't even have the things for the sale), and sell it for that same $300? Even if i factor in shipping, I can get a shitload more than just that $300, because the market for the Iphone don't exist there.

It's all Supply and Demand. It don't matter how much quality Supply there is (in this case, beats), because there's so much second-rate Supply everywhere. And there's no website, magazine, Radio Show, Mixtape DJ to inform people otherwise.

It's not all about spend spend spend. If you're 5'9 living in Croatia and your dream is to make it to the NBA, I don't give a fuck how much money you invest in yourself--1,000,000,000 to 1 you'll never make a squad....let alone, play a game...let alone start one. Same thing isn't too far off with music. You can't get away with spending like 2000 or less (studio time, beats, mixing, everything) and make a quality album, but there comes a certain point (10000-15000+ in this area) where you gotta ask yourself, "Can i even sell 1000 of this shit, or enough to at LEAST recoup my PAST costs, not including the CURRENT marketing/promotion costs?" If the answer is no, you need to shut that shit down and cut your losses. Fuck around and have to sell units for $12, then deal with customers pissed off that the mixing sounds like ass and 4 of the tracks are recycled.


If you got one group of rappers thats all spend spend spend, and when (not if) they don't recoup, they blame bad marketing, haters, etc....then you got another group underspending, selling albums too cheap, always cutting corners, and they turn a profit but don't get any lasting fans to show for it....it's just not a good atmosphere. Signed artists are fed into the machine and, for the most part, wait for the rest to happen. We can't duplicate the machine, but we sure as hell can borrow some of the blueprints.

Music isn't the problem. Music has taken care of itself for centuries. Nobody is going to wake up tomorrow and say "You know? I hate Music from now on. All types. All forms. Every single kind." It doesn't happen. Favorite types may change, but music is still music, the rest is just loud noise.


Think about it like.....HBO, Cinemax, those pay TV channels. How many people you know have those channels these days? ...Exactly. Most people just watch Free TV, or borrow DVDs, or get burned DVDs, or do whatever is cheapest. Flip it to the NorthWest.......same deal. Where's our "Free NorthWest Rap TV"? Where's our DVDs to loan out? Where's our DVDs of shows and performances to burn?

You can't expect people to go out and start buying a NorthWest CD every month, any more than you can expect your 10 best friends to all sign up for Showtime, Cinemax, MLB League Pass just because you gave them a good argument and sampled them some good movies and games. This is Money we're talking about, not Ride Tickets at the Carnival.

That high-pressure shit might work for the square you see at the mall in the NY Mets baseball cap and Jordans, and if you work a few months, you might recoup and turn a SMALL profit.....but stable fans (repeat fans) requires a stable income, requires stable progress, requires a stable level of respect.

2000 Election, almost no blogs.
2004 Election, started poppping up.
2008 Election, you can't avoid them.

The people have spoken, they want regular updates. If not from you, from someone else. You gotta treat your album like a stock to be tracked (daily, weekly, monthly)--not like a book to be left on a shelf and forgotten. Whole sectors don't rise out of nowhere--it's all about the components.

I'm sleep, fuck this.
 
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So then........if an Iphone sells for $300 in the states, I should take it to the middle of Bangladesh (or some place where they don't even have the things for the sale), and sell it for that same $300? Even if i factor in shipping, I can get a shitload more than just that $300, because the market for the Iphone don't exist there.

It's all Supply and Demand. It don't matter how much quality Supply there is (in this case, beats), because there's so much second-rate Supply everywhere. And there's no website, magazine, Radio Show, Mixtape DJ to inform people otherwise.

It's not all about spend spend spend. If you're 5'9 living in Croatia and your dream is to make it to the NBA, I don't give a fuck how much money you invest in yourself--1,000,000,000 to 1 you'll never make a squad....let alone, play a game...let alone start one. Same thing isn't too far off with music. You can't get away with spending like 2000 or less (studio time, beats, mixing, everything) and make a quality album, but there comes a certain point (10000-15000+ in this area) where you gotta ask yourself, "Can i even sell 1000 of this shit, or enough to at LEAST recoup my PAST costs, not including the CURRENT marketing/promotion costs?" If the answer is no, you need to shut that shit down and cut your losses. Fuck around and have to sell units for $12, then deal with customers pissed off that the mixing sounds like ass and 4 of the tracks are recycled.


If you got one group of rappers thats all spend spend spend, and when (not if) they don't recoup, they blame bad marketing, haters, etc....then you got another group underspending, selling albums too cheap, always cutting corners, and they turn a profit but don't get any lasting fans to show for it....it's just not a good atmosphere. Signed artists are fed into the machine and, for the most part, wait for the rest to happen. We can't duplicate the machine, but we sure as hell can borrow some of the blueprints.

Music isn't the problem. Music has taken care of itself for centuries. Nobody is going to wake up tomorrow and say "You know? I hate Music from now on. All types. All forms. Every single kind." It doesn't happen. Favorite types may change, but music is still music, the rest is just loud noise.


Think about it like.....HBO, Cinemax, those pay TV channels. How many people you know have those channels these days? ...Exactly. Most people just watch Free TV, or borrow DVDs, or get burned DVDs, or do whatever is cheapest. Flip it to the NorthWest.......same deal. Where's our "Free NorthWest Rap TV"? Where's our DVDs to loan out? Where's our DVDs of shows and performances to burn?

You can't expect people to go out and start buying a NorthWest CD every month, any more than you can expect your 10 best friends to all sign up for Showtime, Cinemax, MLB League Pass just because you gave them a good argument and sampled them some good movies and games. This is Money we're talking about, not Ride Tickets at the Carnival.

That high-pressure shit might work for the square you see at the mall in the NY Mets baseball cap and Jordans, and if you work a few months, you might recoup and turn a SMALL profit.....but stable fans (repeat fans) requires a stable income, requires stable progress, requires a stable level of respect.

2000 Election, almost no blogs.
2004 Election, started poppping up.
2008 Election, you can't avoid them.

The people have spoken, they want regular updates. If not from you, from someone else. You gotta treat your album like a stock to be tracked (daily, weekly, monthly)--not like a book to be left on a shelf and forgotten. Whole sectors don't rise out of nowhere--it's all about the components.

I'm sleep, fuck this.
You always make alot of sense to me homie..were you at now what you been doing for these last couple of years we need to chop it up .....
 
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speedy nailed it on the head...everyone wants to be "rap friends" and hang out at the same lil venues every wknd doing the same shit...cats need to come together not as buddies but as business people and combine resources, when i say combine resources though it means everyone needs to bring something to the party and figure out the direction to take this region because right now the majors are looking up here but instead of seeing all the talent they only see certian cats who make the effort to really get out and so something different...just because you have sold a couple cd's on your block or read russel simmons book or a couple of wendy williams blogs that doesn't mean you are equipped to run a label...you need to get out there meet new people and create a real team to back you not just your homeys who will be there till a fine chick walks by or a blunt starts getting rolled
 
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the fake azz dude who said i was a faggot is stupid azz dude who never be nuttin in the northwest u see im trying give northwest voice where there get there music play like i did when i was kboo
 
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the fake azz dude who said i was a faggot is stupid azz dude who never be nuttin in the northwest u see im trying give northwest voice where there get there music play like i did when i was kboo
alright..... I read like 6 good posts in a row....then you come in here and fuck it all up....shut the fuck up already
 
May 11, 2008
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speedy nailed it on the head...everyone wants to be "rap friends" and hang out at the same lil venues every wknd doing the same shit...cats need to come together not as buddies but as business people and combine resources, when i say combine resources though it means everyone needs to bring something to the party and figure out the direction to take this region because right now the majors are looking up here but instead of seeing all the talent they only see certian cats who make the effort to really get out and so something different...just because you have sold a couple cd's on your block or read russel simmons book or a couple of wendy williams blogs that doesn't mean you are equipped to run a label...you need to get out there meet new people and create a real team to back you not just your homeys who will be there till a fine chick walks by or a blunt starts getting rolled
Preach preacha
 
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dirty shoez, your iphone analogy dint make sense...

if your saying that the nw is bangledesh, and we should charge MORE out here then we do in a city where producers and rappers are abundant (la, miami, atl, ny)

thats not possible because NO ONE HAS ANY REAL MONEY TO SPEND... (other then a handful of artists who have made money, to spend it)

every artist ive worked with out here has small-to-barely-average hustles that net them small-to-average dollar amounts... workin legit jobs, sellin dope or pimpin... but not one artist ive one across out here has had a legitimate budget set aside for producers, let alone marketing/promo, radio, video, mixing, mastering, publicists etc....

usual budgets in the nw, range from about 5000-25000..

so how can they compete with independents in other cities that put up 100,000 or more every album...


and if that was in response to my original post, then you misread it... cause i was saying, theres no way in hell i can sell a beat in the northwest for 10g's+...

i had a rnb/pop (which woulda worked as a cross over radio song for a rapper with the hook on it) song just recently that was gettin interest by a lot of people... hanna montana, field mob, and i took that EXACT same song (beat and hook) and cut a couple thousand off the price to sell to a local artist from portland... he had an investor that was about to purchase, but got cold feet cause it was eatin up a lot of the budget... the fucked up thing us he had a couple possible deals lined up if he woulda ran with the track, but its now back in the original hands it was meant for cause they paid what i was askin for...
 
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Iphone example was meant to demonstrate base price (MSRP), along with supply and demand. A beat from any random producer, any amount of years in the game, is worth a base value of a couple hundred dollars. If you throw in multipliers like living in Bangladesh, or such-and-such has produced for Yukmouth or something.....sure, the price goes up. But its still the same beat. A pair of $300 jeans is basically going to be the same exact shit as a $100 pair, but with a name attached to it.

If you can get $300 for those, then get $300. But you gotta know that we're Ross. The NorthWest is a big ass Ross store. We're not Macy's. Probably never will be. So I can sympathize with someone not wanting to "eat up" his budget with one beat. With the competition level the way it is, no one beat by anyone will make or break a NorthWest artist. A BAD track is a BAD track, but most fans will forgive an album full of above-average or just average beats.....and they sure as shit would rather have that album, than some noisy-sounding, overworked, piece-of-shit with 129 features that comes 3 1/2 years after the first time you said Coming Soon.

If every manufacturer in the world could just sell retail (and not wholesale), there wouldn't be a Wal-Mart or Target or all this other shit. But its to a point now where you need those stores more than those stores need you. Their shelves are always going to be overflowing whether or not you make another album or beat ever again in your lifetime.

And hopefully some time in our lifetime, there'll be a central (or a few) NorthWest or West Coast online mega-site and everything that comes with it. (No style of music, period, is strong enough to have a retail store solely dedicated to it, ESPECIALLY in this NorthWest Region). And the day you truly "make it" is the day when you retire and the game doesn't miss a beat.

if you run a grocery store, and you have customers coming in, buying only whats on sale, and then leaving...your store is gonna go down in flames. Same with rap fans. If you aren't turning them on to your friends and neighbors, your legacy is nil no matter how much paper you get. Like its being said above, we can't just come together as rappers....we have to come together like businesspeople...like manufacturers.

USB, Hulu, Blu-Ray, HBO....all the best shit is usually combinations of 3 and 5 and more rivals coming together to pool resources and make money. But none of it means anything without a solid blueprint in place to hold it all together.

We need a Library, we need a Distro Center, and we need a Meeting ground. It's gonna be a lot of standing around and scratching lottery tickets until these 3 are built.
 
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Mr. Shoez:

There is a big difference in the way you perceive things compared to most in this business. First of all you have to recognize that the probability of Portland having a deep roster of artists with a strong music sense is all about perception, not just numbers. It seems to me that you lack faith in this area of the world. The difference between Seattle and Portland is not very big. Or Portland vs. anywhere else for that matter.

Furthermore how are you going to call the N.W. a Big fucking Ross store and say, if people come in and by only what is on sale then they the store owners will fall flat on their face. Wal-Mart, Target, Ross etc. All their shit is on sale, especially when you compare prices to Kroger/Fred Meyer. That is what makes them so hard to compete with. And Macy's sells the same shit that wally world does just a year later. Simple distribution factors. So whatever dude!

The N.W. is way more than that just a fucking Ross store brother. It is the best in the fuckin' country musically. The problem with this bitch ass industry is the haterz! and I will say it again so you understand it implicitly. Fuck the haterz and all their stink ass bullshit! The N.W. has a plethora of raw talent. But because there are so many who like I've said in the past that kiss the ass of L.A. and every where else that the N.W. is left high and dry because they are jealous of the best there is.

The best is and always has been here! We in the N.W. have always been the trend setters not the followers, and everyone whom makes music will get far less respect if they cannot get any play here. That has been proven time and again. So next time you go flapping your gums about something such as music be sure that you have all of your facts in order and they are consistent with the general concensus point of view. Yes Non Stop relocated temporarily to the south east due to a greater influence on part of dirty south camps, deep roots and bigger connections to the industry over all. But then again 90% of the ATL is Black, as opposed to here in Portland 66% White, that is why if you can make it here in Portland you can make it anywhere.

Peace Out...
 
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Ross is the best in the fuckin' country clothing-wise. The problem with this bitch ass industry is the haterz! and I will say it again so you understand it implicitly. Fuck the haterz and all their stink ass bullshit! Ross has a plethora of bargains on good clothing. But because there are so many who like I've said in the past that kiss the ass of Macy's and every where else that Ross is left high and dry because they are jealous of the best there is.
Couldn't have said it better myself...

It's funny, you say to get my "facts in order", when your post had nothing to do with facts. The only fact you put together in your entire rant was about population numbers.


Bottom line, it's not about music any more. It's about Technology. It's about Lifestyles. I don't need your shitty music about smoking weed. I don't need your crap-ass song about how hard your life is. I don't need your garbage track about how you missed your family when you were on lock-down. Show me some style I've never heard before (Ghostface, Freeway, T-Pain). Let me hear some lyricism that isn't over some lame-as-fuck backpacker boom bap beat (Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, Kanye West). Play me some shit where you're going wild and don't give a fuck what nobody think (FAB, Keak, Kool Keith).

It's like, you honestly sit there and wonder why people are "hating" (aka IGNORING) the music. "We're on some other shit!".....NO. NOT REALLY. Makes about as much sense as saying MySpace and FaceBook are polar opposites. No. Not really. Same shit, different style. We're so convinced that if we make a MyPlace, and market it and design it like MySpace, everyone that doesn't hop along for the ride is a fuckin hater and deserves to be kicked in the throat, and thats just not how it works.

You're so caught up in the coolness and slickness of it all, you're losing sight. Your favorite rappers are making 90% of their revenues from 1) other rappers, and 2) teenage girls, and that's real talk. And that's nobody's fault but their own.

You sit here and you label people "haters" and talk about how great the music is.......so what? What is your plan to tap these audiences?
-- 25 year old Accountant. HOW do you get her to listen to Byrdie?
-- 39 year old Firefighter. HOW do you get him to listen to Lifesavas?
-- 63 year old English Professor. HOW do you get him to listen to Blue Scholars?

You hear my plans all day every day. I won't stop until all MY shit (that YOU disagree with) is in full swing. I've got multiple domain names, webhosting, graphics in the works, albums lined up to review, a video-camera.....all I need to get started. It's the nature of man to want to sneak around, and the internet is the ultimate sneaking around place. The ultimate learning, getting-acquainted place. If you build it....niggaz will come. Teachers, Doctors, Lawyers, Marketing Assistants, Burger King Managers, Black People, Asian People, Tall People, Fat People.....all of them. Free website, what is there to lose?


By the way, what are your great plans for the region? What do you think it will take to get the job done? MySpace spamming 4-5 bulletins back to back? Handing out CD-R's? Bait-and-switch concerts where a "national" headliner performs with 10 opening acts? And I'd like you to answer this one and not duck the question. If you're gonna call me out on what I'm saying, you need to be a grown man and step up to the plate.
 
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Yeah, let's just ignore all the differences and shortcomings and lack of unification, and maybe we'll just go Platinum overnight. Good idea. I mean, we've been around forever, right? Doesn't that mean we deserve to shine, no matter what?
 
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i hope the rappers in the northwest come together and stat making good music as hole i been living in northwest since 1985 and every rappper in the norhwest it down foe they self yall should starting come togher as hole and do albumes niggas from seattle or tacoma or norheast portland.
I've been alive since 83 and I've lived in the NW all of my life mainly tacoma and it has always been this way and will always be that way. Its funny I come here every 2 or 3 months and everytime I come there's a thread like this but nobody does anything about it.