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its not about me. its a mere example cus im not in touch.

as far as everything else, keep that train of thought.
We get it. You speak from personal example and your personal example is applicable across the board to impoverished cities and nations.
The self appointed speaker for the poor all over the country.

If you cannot for the life of you comprehend that a contradiction in how you live and what you believe exists, the cognitive dissonance must be too great.

I understand that there are real and actual sacrifices that you would have to make in order to see what I am saying; sacrifices that put your rags to less rags narrative in jeopardy; sacrifices of identity and identification.
We cannot have that happen. These identifications are the only things keeping you going at this time.

Take care my friend
 
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We get it. You speak from personal example and your personal example is applicable across the board to impoverished cities and nations.
The self appointed speaker for the poor all over the country.

If you cannot for the life of you comprehend that a contradiction in how you live and what you believe exists, the cognitive dissonance must be too great.

I understand that there are real and actual sacrifices that you would have to make in order to see what I am saying; sacrifices that put your rags to less rags narrative in jeopardy; sacrifices of identity and identification.
We cannot have that happen. These identifications are the only things keeping you going at this time.

Take care my friend
you take pieces from all my quotes and create something else you want to believe. in the end, you aint sayin nothin different than i am. pretty much the same shit. difference is you preach worthlessness and hopelessness. you can dress it up how you wish, trying to make it sound intellectual, it is what it is.
 
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you take pieces from all my quotes and create something else you want to believe. in the end, you aint sayin nothin different than i am. pretty much the same shit. difference is you preach worthlessness and hopelessness. you can dress it up how you wish, trying to make it sound intellectual, it is what it is.
No the difference is I believe in empowerment through knowledge of how the system functions in order to do something about it while you believe in empowerment through aspiring to reach second to last place on the socio-economic ladder and all the bad health and low quality living that comes with it.
You settle for the reality that your child is more likely to be murdered because of a random act of violence when the system fucks him also. But hey as long as he has the opportunity to work for $8 an hour on 6 Mile and Livernois he has the opportunity to make something of himself right?

Anyway, feel free to have the last word man this aint goin anywhere
 
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No the difference is I believe in empowerment through knowledge of how the system functions in order to do something about it while you believe in empowerment through aspiring to reach second to last place on the socio-economic ladder and all the bad health and low quality living that comes with it.
You settle for the reality that your child is more likely to be murdered because of a random act of violence when the system fucks him also. But hey as long as he has the opportunity to work for $8 an hour on 6 Mile and Livernois he has the opportunity to make something of himself right?
GOT DAMN
 
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A friend of mine got killed in a shootout with police at the end of last year and it came out of him hitting licks at Wal-Mart/McDonald's etc. You read the story and it reads as just another New Orleans hood rat that didn't want to work or make anything for himself besides being a criminal.

No mention of being an 8 year Army veteran, 2 tours in Iraq, coming back to New Orleans and not being able to get a job better than a janitor making garbage money at retail stores as an Army veteran in good standing while trying to support 3 kids.

Not condoning what he did as he terrorized other people trying to work a 9-5, but that doesn't mean you can't sympathize with his situation and understand that struggling for so long and then having to watch your kids struggle isn't easy, especially when he did everything people in here are saying he should do to better his life and it did none of that.

It's not as easy as just working menial jobs and then eventually you'll break through.

Here's the article if anyone cares to read it
Man killed in shoot-out with NOPD was gunman in multi-parish robbery spree, police say | NOLA.com
 
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No the difference is I believe in empowerment through knowledge of how the system functions in order to do something about it
yeah the system is corrupt but you cant let that be the reason for your failure. why not tell the youth to just do their school work and get a job and work better than everybody else? instead of telling them the system aint made for them, tell them how to make the system work for them?




while you believe in empowerment through aspiring to reach second to last place on the socio-economic ladder and all the bad health and low quality living that comes with it.
Do you think that with diligence you can one day achieve the status of your master?

again, i don't see much difference. your sayin the same shit and creating some other shit in your head.

"work better than everybody else". not meaning bust your ass harder than the rest and stay stagnant. work harder and get noticed and move up. if you cant move up after "seriously" trying, move on to the next. that work history tends to help out there. but in your mind, every white person in America is racist so as a color person, you can't possibly get no where.

"just do their school work", meaning just do the fuckin school work. your older, i assume. is school really that hard? if you got ADD, you get a pass. if you are mentally retarded, you get a pass. the rest of the kids who don't take it seriously just don't take it seriously. school is bullshit. what they teach is bullshit. but looking back, it ain't really hard. play their game. just cus it's their game don't mean you can't win. you don't even fuckin need to go to UC where ever the fuck. there's plenty of opportunity in the country where community college knowledge can set you up with somethin nice. all the kids need is real guidance on what's out there for what interests them, if they don't want to create their own lane. they don't need guidance from people who believe minimum wage bullshit isn't a place to start, or people talkin bout their master.
 

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again, i don't see much difference. your sayin the same shit and creating some other shit in your head.

"work better than everybody else". not meaning bust your ass harder than the rest and stay stagnant. work harder and get noticed and move up. if you cant move up after "seriously" trying, move on to the next. that work history tends to help out there. but in your mind, every white person in America is racist so as a color person, you can't possibly get no where.

"just do their school work", meaning just do the fuckin school work. your older, i assume. is school really that hard? if you got ADD, you get a pass. if you are mentally retarded, you get a pass. the rest of the kids who don't take it seriously just don't take it seriously. school is bullshit. what they teach is bullshit. but looking back, it ain't really hard. play their game. just cus it's their game don't mean you can't win. you don't even fuckin need to go to UC where ever the fuck. there's plenty of opportunity in the country where community college knowledge can set you up with somethin nice. all the kids need is real guidance on what's out there for what interests them, if they don't want to create their own lane. they don't need guidance from people who believe minimum wage bullshit isn't a place to start, or people talkin bout their master.
The fact that "it's a game" and "their game" is what people have issue with.
 
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The fact that "it's a game" and "their game" is what people have issue with.
true. but their issue is also instead of learning and working/manipulating the game to benefit you/i/them, they rather just bitch about it and say its not fair and hope things will change, when they never will. to them, manipulating the game for self benefit really aint a benefit if you aint makin master status money. we aint never gonna make master status money. that don't mean we cant make money to live life with out a financial worry.

since this is about Bernie, whats Bernie gonna do? free UC tuition? again, fuck UC schools. the "game" makes you believe you need that. it can help, but it aint guaranteed. it ain't even like all UC schools are created equal. education is needed in some professional fields. but there are more fields where knowledge is just as good. so he makes California more broke by making UC free, while our taxes get raised? or he's going to cut spending in other areas? he ain't got no plan, other than saying "free". he's part of the problem.

people like him want $15 min wage. just like UC Berkeley, probably the most liberal school in Ca. they just announced they're cutting 500 jobs. they use the excuse that's it to balance the budget by 2020, but coincidentally, 2020 is when minimum wage will be $15. so yeah, they're probably not (partially) lying, saying it's to balance the budget, but that $15 an hour min wage makes it harder to balance the budget with the same payroll budget. that's that Bernie shit right there.
 
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A friend of mine got killed in a shootout with police at the end of last year and it came out of him hitting licks at Wal-Mart/McDonald's etc. You read the story and it reads as just another New Orleans hood rat that didn't want to work or make anything for himself besides being a criminal.

No mention of being an 8 year Army veteran, 2 tours in Iraq, coming back to New Orleans and not being able to get a job better than a janitor making garbage money at retail stores as an Army veteran in good standing while trying to support 3 kids.

Not condoning what he did as he terrorized other people trying to work a 9-5, but that doesn't mean you can't sympathize with his situation and understand that struggling for so long and then having to watch your kids struggle isn't easy, especially when he did everything people in here are saying he should do to better his life and it did none of that.

It's not as easy as just working menial jobs and then eventually you'll break through.

Here's the article if anyone cares to read it
Man killed in shoot-out with NOPD was gunman in multi-parish robbery spree, police say | NOLA.com

everybody on here with kids knows life changes. not talkin bout your dude, but youngsters have kids cus they dont understand how difficult it is to afford them. thats a flaw in society. these kids need to understand that. the kids have kids hella early then just think shits gonna magically work out. you gotta be able to take care of yourself before you can afford a kid. obviously, in hindsight, shit just gets harder. kids also need to understand the military aint gonna take care of you when your done with them. the recruiters will make it sound good, but the shits like religion in the sense that when you feel worthless/hopeless, they got the verbal recipe to brighten you up.
 

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true. but their issue is also instead of learning and working/manipulating the game to benefit you/i/them, they rather just bitch about it and say its not fair and hope things will change, when they never will. to them, manipulating the game for self benefit really aint a benefit if you aint makin master status money. we aint never gonna make master status money. that don't mean we cant make money to live life with out a financial worry.

since this is about Bernie, whats Bernie gonna do? free UC tuition? again, fuck UC schools. the "game" makes you believe you need that. it can help, but it aint guaranteed. it ain't even like all UC schools are created equal. education is needed in some professional fields. but there are more fields where knowledge is just as good. so he makes California more broke by making UC free, while our taxes get raised? or he's going to cut spending in other areas? he ain't got no plan, other than saying "free". he's part of the problem.

people like him want $15 min wage. just like UC Berkeley, probably the most liberal school in Ca. they just announced they're cutting 500 jobs. they use the excuse that's it to balance the budget by 2020, but coincidentally, 2020 is when minimum wage will be $15. so yeah, they're probably not (partially) lying, saying it's to balance the budget, but that $15 an hour min wage makes it harder to balance the budget with the same payroll budget. that's that Bernie shit right there.
I know for a fact that those in opposition to you, in this thread, don't simply sit back, bitch, complain and do nothing. The reason they take the steps they take, and do what they do, is because they do have a sense of "hope" but it's a bit different from the "hope" you're thinking about. They're thinking, "if we can get enough people wake up, we can fight the machine, we can make this world a better place, we can make things equitable for everyone here." That's the hope they have. They aren't sitting up and saying, "I sure hope things get better when this guy gets in."

Based what I've read, I don't think those in opposition to you are saying it's an issue of each individual making master status money. What I see is things being equitable for all parties involved. The problem is, with upward social mobility, they seem to acknowledge the fact that it takes generations to actually see, generations that the person laying the groundwork most likely won't even live to see. The problem with this is someone can very well come in and fuck that foundation up and it's back to square one. You don't think that's a possibility? Look at the black community as a whole.

Now, when you talk about UC schools let's just look at what is being said about UC schools and McDonalds. They're saying fuck McDonalds. You're saying fuck UC. Which is more likely to help you "play the game" and improve your status? Pros and cons to both? Absolutely, but, considering this is "the game" which is more likely to yield the desired results?

In closing, and I came back to edit this, I'm not saying college is the way. What I am saying is that each individual should do what works for them as long as what works for them is not putting anyone else at risk.
 
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The problem is, with upward social mobility, they seem to acknowledge the fact that it takes generations to actually see, generations that the person laying the groundwork most likely won't even live to see. The problem with this is someone can very well come in and fuck that foundation up and it's back to square one. You don't think that's a possibility? Look at the black community as a whole.
i believe all that too.

you got to teach the kids how to make it work. thats the generation you start with. the issue is what info and form of self worth those kids take in to shape them.


Now, when you talk about UC schools let's just look at what is being said about UC schools and McDonalds. They're saying fuck McDonalds. You're saying fuck UC. Which is more likely to help you "play the game" and improve your status? Pros and cons to both? Absolutely, but, considering this is "the game" which is more likely to yield the desired results?

In closing, and I came back to edit this, I'm not saying college is the way. What I am saying is that each individual should do what works for them as long as what works for them is not putting anyone else at risk.

i'm not anti-college. i'm anti-trapping kids minds to thinking theres one avenue to follow. i just think its janky to assume kids will go to UC FREE when a bunch of these kids dont even fuck with free high school. they're on some "if you build it, they will come" bullshit. as far as McDonalds, i'm not saying go there and stay there. use that type of shit as a stepping stone. go to college, but go with a plan. but UC FREE aint the fix when the kids these dudes seem to care about really dont give a fuck about the first step to a UC, which is free high school. and even if you get in college, for free, it aint smart to get a part time min wage job? thats a bad decision? UC FREE aint gonna put somethin in your pocket. and they aint gonna help build your work history. fuck the UC as a system. but of course, play the game so you can win. strategize your schooling as you should strategize building a resume, from the bottom.


i dont disagree with anything you are saying, or how you are saying it. i do disagree with the others. but you aren't as extreme as they are in these cases. i dont think you are poisonous. you may think you are saying the exact same thing they are. you are not.
 
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How many people, you personally know, took out a policy on their parents and bubbled?
The question is not how many people do I personally know who have- the question is how many do we know who have not. To answer your question I personally know three, and have heard of others. Do you have children? If so what kind of financial legacy are you building/ and or leaving for them? I have made sure mine will be set, but along with that I provide them the tools and guidance to be successful irregardless. Plan to fail or fail to plan, which pill are you?
 
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The question is not how many people do I personally know who have- the question is how many do we know who have not.To answer your question I personally know three, and have heard of others.
And how much was the pay out?

Do you have children? If so what kind of financial legacy are you building/ and or leaving for them?
Don't have them. Never wanted them. Not applicable.

I have made sure mine will be set, but along with that I provide them the tools and guidance to be successful irregardless. Plan to fail or fail to plan, which pill are you?
See above.
 
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Democracy is indispensable to socialism. V.I. Lenin

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx


The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

A Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson


 
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Sept. 26, 1961

22 U.S.C. § 2551 : US Code - Section 2551: Congressional statement of purpose

An ultimate goal of the United States is a world which is free from the scourge of war and the dangers and burdens of armaments; in which the use of force has been subordinated to the rule of law; and in which international adjustments to a changing world are achieved peacefully. It is the purpose of this chapter to provide impetus toward this goal by addressing the problem of reduction and control of armaments looking toward ultimate world disarmament. The Secretary of State must have the capacity to provide the essential scientific, economic, political, military, psychological, and technological information upon which realistic arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament policy must be based. The Secretary shall have the authority, under the direction of the President, to carry out the following primary functions: (1) The preparation for and management of United States participation in international negotiations and implementation fora in the arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament field. (2) The conduct, support, and coordination of research for arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament policy formulation. (3) The preparation for, operation of, or direction of, United States participation in such control systems as may become part of United States arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament activities. (4) The dissemination and coordination of public information concerning arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament.

22 U.S.C. § 2552 : US Code - Section 2552: Definitions

As used in this chapter -
(a) The terms "arms control" and "disarmament" mean the identification, verification, inspection, limitation, control, reduction, or elimination, of armed forces and armaments of all kinds under international agreement including the necessary steps taken under such an agreement to establish an effective system of international control, or to create and strengthen international organizations for the maintenance of peace.
(b) The term "Government agency" means any executive department, commission, agency, independent establishment, corporation wholly or partly owned by the United States which is an instrumentality of the United States, or any board, bureau, division, service, office, officer, authority, administration, or other establishment in the executive branch of Government.
 
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22 U.S.C. § 2571 : US Code - Section 2571: Research, development and other studies

The Secretary of State is authorized and directed to exercise his powers in this subchapter in such manner as to ensure the acquisition of a fund of theoretical and practical knowledge concerning disarmament and nonproliferation. To this end, the Secretary of State is authorized and directed, under the direction of the President, (1) to ensure the conduct of research, development, and other studies in the fields of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament; (2) to make arrangements (including contracts, agreements, and grants) for the conduct of research, development, and other studies in the fields of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament by private or public institutions or persons; and (3) to coordinate the research, development, and other studies conducted in the fields of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament by or for other Government agencies. In carrying out his responsibilities under this chapter, the Secretary of State shall, to the maximum extent feasible, make full use of available facilities, Government and private. The authority of the Secretary under this chapter with respect to research, development, and other studies concerning arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament shall be limited to participation in the following:
(a) Control, reduction and elimination of armed forces and armaments
the detection, identification, inspection, monitoring, limitation, reduction, control, and elimination of armed forces and armaments, including thermonuclear, nuclear, missile, conventional, bacteriological, chemical, and radiological weapons:
(b) Weapon detection and identification tests the techniques and systems of detecting, identifying, inspecting, and monitoring of tests of nuclear, thermonuclear, and other weapons;
(c) Analysis of national budgets and economic indicators the analysis of national budgets, levels of industrial production, and economic indicators to determine the amounts spent by various countries for armaments and of all aspects of anti- satellite activities;
(d) Space, earth's surface and underwater regions the control, reduction, and elimination of armed forces and armaments in space, in areas on and beneath the earth's surface, and in underwater regions;
(e) Structure and operation of international control the structure and operation of international control and other organizations useful for arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament;
(f) Training of control system personnel the training of scientists, technicians, and other personnel for manning the control systems which may be created by international arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament agreements;
(g) Danger of war from accident, miscalculation, or surprise attack the reduction and elimination of the danger of war resulting from accident, miscalculation, or possible surprise attack, including (but not limited to) improvements in the methods of communications between nations;
(h) Economic and political consequences of disarmament the economic and political consequences of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament, including the problems of readjustment arising in industry and the reallocation of national resources; (i) Disarmament implications of foreign and national security policies of United States the arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament implications of foreign and national security policies of the United States with a view to a better understanding of the significance of such policies for the achievement of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament;
(j) National security and foreign policy implications of disarmament the national security and foreign policy implications of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament proposals with a view to a better understanding of the effect of such proposals upon national security and foreign policy;
(k) Methods for maintenance of peace and security during stages of disarmament methods for the maintenance of peace and security during different stages of arms control, nonproliferation, and disarmament;
(l) War prevention factors the scientific, economic, political, legal, social, psychological, military, and technological factors related to the prevention of war with a view to a better understanding of how the basic structure of a lasting peace may be established; and
(m) Other related problems such related problems as the Secretary of State may determine to be in need of research, development, or study in order to carry out the provisions of this chapter.
 
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How is that minimum wage hike going?

I figured I would leave this here:

Wendy's Serves Up Kiosks As Wages Rise, Hits Fast-Food Group | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

Wendy’s (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages.
The costs of automation are rapidly decreasing and people are simultaneously trying to increase the cost of labor, that is a recipe for employment disaster.
 
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How is that minimum wage hike going?

I figured I would leave this here:

Wendy's Serves Up Kiosks As Wages Rise, Hits Fast-Food Group | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD



The costs of automation are rapidly decreasing and people are simultaneously trying to increase the cost of labor, that is a recipe for employment disaster.
Good.

1) The average person touches their face an average of 3.6 times per hour, and common objects an average of 3.3 times per hour. Do you really want humans making your food?

2) The consumption of fast food leads to higher weight gain and obesity, cardiovascular conditions, Type 2 diabetes, and higher mortality rates. The fast food industry is an industry of death.

3) There will be better paying jobs in the fast food industry, if that is one's goal to gain employment, working on the robots. Will these fast food workers gain the technical education and skills to enrich their economic position and financial futures?



(As usual, these are rhetorical questions)
 
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Really kind of depends on who you are asking right?

When we close down a coal plant the environmentalists say good and the coal workers say bad.

1) The average person touches their face an average of 3.6 times per hour, and common objects an average of 3.3 times per hour. Do you really want humans making your food?
While that is a good point and definitely something important in the consideration of food preparation, it is really tangential to the discussion of minimum wage, standard of living, macroeconomics etc.

2) The consumption of fast food leads to higher weight gain and obesity, cardiovascular conditions, Type 2 diabetes, and higher mortality rates. The fast food industry is an industry of death.
See above.

3) There will be better paying jobs in the fast food industry, if that is one's goal to gain employment, working on the robots. Will these fast food workers gain the technical education and skills to enrich their economic position and financial futures?
Yeah there will be better paying jobs working on the robots, but 20 low paying jobs serving the fast food just became 5 higher paying jobs fixing the robots.

So yes we have higher paying jobs, but yes we also have less total jobs. That is really one of the biggest problems facing our society today. We have more people than jobs and we are trending further that direction.