Whats it gonna take to put the West on the radio/videos?

[Gas One]

whats up homie, this is well said except the part about "rich jews" i disagree with that, but that's a whole other argument. aside from that i think we're definitely on the same page here. and if you think about it, the Bay section of our West Coast has definitely been on this for...what, two decades already? their mentality as a whole has been, "fuck a major label deal that might not come, i'm gonna get my money now!!!"

down here in Southern Cali, i think we've had a harder time with that, like i've said in previous posts everyone down here (LA in particular) has that Hollywood mentality, i guess its hard to strive for anything but that multi-million dollar deal when you got movie stars everywhere and major labels with corporate offices right in your backyard.

but what would happen if we focused more on taking our music straight to the people who listen to it? what if we didn't care about winning a Grammy or getting radio spins? i still believe that good music will speak for itself even if the corporate powers that be are trying to shut down our avenues to do so. thing is, it takes unity which we all know is hard to come by. if we ever decided to walk that path we'd be best off walking it together. but i really do think that the best bet for the majority of artists anywhere is to band together and form a sort of "anti-music industry". hell, even a lot of the west coast artists who have deals aren't necessarily gonna prosper from them.

Whats crackin witcha. Yeah, the "rich jews" comment might have been a little anti-semite (not on purpose) and i apologize for making generalizations about a group of people. Jerry Heller might be responsible for alot of the west coast shining, but like you said...totally different subject.

I was cruising myspace and I was checking out some rappers pictures in the bay and i definately noticed the amount of solidarity. Casual of hiero taking a picture of MC hammer, things like that.

On that same note, Based on the few years i've lived in the bay ive learned that the bay has that instilled in their culture. Its much more of a melting pot.

Southern california dosent have that "melting pot" culture. We take our over-territorial nature and hold it on our sleeve. More than gang rules, its almost as deep as our community upbringings. San Diego is blacks over here, mexicans over there, whites up there. Maybe this plays in with how we view our networking power.

standoffish, unsure.

Related to that hollywood mentality comment...I wonder, are we asking the right questions about ourselves right now?

Is it more of a personal problem than a industry problem?

Maybe the nature of Southern California is hereditary...And maybe we need some sort of rehabilitation with how we view the game..what can we do to change the minds of those involved, as a whole?

Would it take everyone viewing a route as successful to follow suit?

Will I ever get another west coast album like pharcydes first joint?

or the alkaholiks first and second album?

Is the west coast trying too hard to be west coast?

two examples...ras kass's "rassassination", and the liks's "Likwidation" (which were both good albums, IMO)...both read as albums where artists felt shaky about their creative control and tried to cater to the west coast too hard, and suffered pretty bad album sales and even a decrease in fans in the process.

i dont think we really need to be molding a picture of the west coast too hard, i think bieng west coast is something that should be inside you and not like.....conjured up to look and feel west coast..all that "the west is back!" "the west!!" shit annoys people.

remember that song "when the east is in the house"...? i didnt like it because i was west coast and i felt they were doing too much gloating about how great they are.

west coast this west coast that, west coast shirts (im not dissing fabricali, shout out)...i just want someone to be west without broadcasting the shit so damn hard.

wasnt that why we (those who didnt) like the east? they felt they were owners of everything? for some reason i feel like thats us now.

and definately man...people take the easy way out...and come and go and arent seen again...i think we need more people willing to stick with this for the long haul...its amazing how many people who live here who for some reason, still cannot figure out what our problem is.

I think the game will eventually change and become something more tangible for us to work with. nothing can stay the same forever.

 

[BOOBOO619]

Is the west coast trying too hard to be west coast?

Not really. It ain't shit compared to the 90's as far as repping goes. Whatever happed to $hit like "Throwing up that BIG ASS W." To me it seems like their trying too hard to be like someone else,... *Dirty* *Cough* *Cough* *South* Trying to be all fashion with their see-through shades, DUB rims, grills and what not. Times are just g@y, ain't no one truely hard. Bring back that oldschool $hit, Lowriders, Loccs, Dickies, Ben Davis, beanies, chucks, flannels, backwards hats/low bent bills rather than these big ass retarded New Era hats that kids wear now and gay ass logo spotted sweater hoods, bandannas and all the grimey shit that went along. Everyone is all artsy now, fucking faggots. haha

 

[Gas One]

I dont think hating on the south should be part of the plan, as most west coast implants have family that migrated there from the south...

I know i do...new orleans and arkansas...im born and raised here but my fams originally from the south..and i know alot of people who are in the same boat..

i think we need to strengthen our ties with the south if anything..

thats just IMO though...

why would we go back to that (lowriders,dickies,etc) when that isnt who we are?

niggas aint doin that no more....how can we be something we are no longer? half of the people making music now werent even part of that era, their older brothers were.

shit changes bruh and we should go along with it while bieng true to ourselves.

 

[El D]

the west coast needs new fans end of story

 

[BOOBOO619]

I dont think hating on the south should be part of the plan, as most west coast implants have family that migrated there from the south...

I know i do...new orleans and arkansas...im born and raised here but my fams originally from the south..and i know alot of people who are in the same boat..

i think we need to strengthen our ties with the south if anything..

thats just IMO though...

why would we go back to that (lowriders,dickies,etc) when that isnt who we are?

niggas aint doin that no more....how can we be something we are no longer? half of the people making music now werent even part of that era, their older brothers were.

shit changes bruh and we should go along with it while bieng true to ourselves.

Well I don't go along with anything that has to deal with Hyphy, Crunk, Snap music and all that little BS. That just ain't music IMO. Why whould you let something so gay such as those musical genres influence and change you? Don't buy into that bullshit. And as far as hating on the South, I ain't hating on their culture and who they are, I'm hating on their "current" taste of Hiphop, I can't stand their sound atm and it seems everyone is trying to emulate that sound, including the West. Where the fuck you think Hyphy evolved from? People are just jumping the bandwagon and doing what's hot bro. But I ain't going to jump on, that's for sure because I don't like the product. Show me some quality and I'll probably jump on. It has nothing to do with times either, it just has to do with our generation. Our generation is brainless and unoriginal. We are in the era of technology and everything will slowly be taken over by this technology. For example, Computers are already rapidly taking over our musical production, it'll be hard to find real guitarist, pianoists, bassists, drummers,etc... or full band for that matter. The Digital Age is here and too much of it can create problems IMO, there needs to be a balance of OLD and NEW. Just listen to all the beats, they sound all digital and techno sounding, from Pitching 808 kicks to zaps, blips and other FX noises. I just don't think that sound has a place in Hiphop, here and there of course, but not for every element. You just can't find that live-ish grimey sound anymore. Club music should be left for the club and only for the club, I want to hear REAL Hiphop outside of the club.

 

[El D]

^u need some computer love mija

 

[SamoanDagorilla]

the west coast needs new fans end of story

LMAO This Is The Truest Statement Ive Read.. LOL... This Is Goin To My Signature... These Dudes Aint Fans Of West Coast Music.. They Fans Of The 90's Era.. What Dago Needs Is Music That Gigs... Yall Dont Like Earth Wind & Fire?? Kool & The Gang?? Mtume?? People Need Music They Can Have A Good Time Too.. Shit Like The Fixxers/Down - Lean Like A Cholo, That's All In The Same As The Old School Music We Gig To... Its Fun Music... People Have Fun With It, They Celebrate With It.. Yall Killed West Coast Music Sales By Not Supporting Ur Artists... Yall Should Just Buy The Hits Of The 90s CDs... Because Yall Lost The Idea Of What Music Is And What Its Here For..

 

[Gas One]

sorry to break you down like this because i know you thought it was "real talk"...

Well I don't go along with anything that has to deal with Hyphy, Crunk, Snap music and all that little BS. That just ain't music IMO.

That comment screams "hater". I'm sure youre comfortable in your hating,
I'm just pointing out that youre as guilty as anyone else who hates on ANY sort of music. a hater is a hater and you sir, have the hating gene.

Why whould you let something so gay such as those musical genres influence and change you? Don't buy into that bullshit.

Who said anything about changing? what are you talking about?

And as far as hating on the South, I ain't hating on their culture and who they are

take your mouse, click the up arrow on the side of the window and read your first quote, then take your mouse and click the down arrow on the side of your window, and look at this quote.

I'm hating on their "current" taste of Hiphop,

If you werent born in the south, who exactly are you to 'hate' on something you know nothing about and arent apart of? and why would you matter, outside of bieng a hater?

thats like me hating on lesbian sex or some shit. even if you cant be a part of it, appreciate it for bieng different. appreciate it for the fact that you dont like it, other people do, and that makes us all different.

I can't stand their sound atm and it seems everyone is trying to emulate that sound, including the West. Where the fuck you think Hyphy evolved from?

aint no one emulating shit. what the fuck are you talking about? look around you and soak shit in. and hyphy was originated by keak the sneak buddy, not crunk music. go listen to some 3xkrazy and youll realize "hyphy" was a sound before it was given a tag.

People are just jumping the bandwagon and doing what's hot bro.

now when my homie djs and throws on all the songs you love to hate, and the whole floor is full of people dancing, smiling, having fun...what your telling me is that they arent enjoying the music, theyre riding a bandwagon? what do you think music is, kryptonite?

But I ain't going to jump on, that's for sure because I don't like the product. Show me some quality and I'll probably jump on

you dont have to like anything you dont want to.

It has nothing to do with times either, it just has to do with our generation.

do you realize that generations = time passing?

Our generation is brainless and unoriginal.

speak for yaself on that one bruh burh..

We are in the era of technology

how does the brainless create such technology?

and everything will slowly be taken over by this technology. For example, Computers are already rapidly taking over our musical production, it'll be hard to find real guitarist, pianoists, bassists, drummers,etc... or full band for that matter.

where were you the past 20 years?

The Digital Age is here and too much of it can create problems IMO, there needs to be a balance of OLD and NEW. Just listen to all the beats, they sound all digital and techno sounding, from Pitching 808 kicks to zaps, blips and other FX noises.[/BOOBOO619]

artists have complete creative control and your opinion of what they should do = invalid

I just don't think that sound has a place in Hiphop

luckily, you do not rule hip hop.

here and there of course, but not for every element. You just can't find that live-ish grimey sound anymore.

(looks at my collection of san diego CD's and dosent agree)

Club music should be left for the club and only for the club, I want to hear REAL Hiphop outside of the club.

IMO, "real hip hop" is a gay statement.

as far as the rest of that...just because something is played in the club dosent mean it dosent have any relevence outside the club. we dont live in clubs. if that was the case, "club music" wouldnt be bought, dj's would just spin the promotional copies. that sounds pretty stupid.


sorry to go off on a tangent but yeah, i dont know wtf youre talking about. you really just seem like someone whos stuck in the past like a mutha fucka. one silent hater crossing his arms does nothing to contribute to any sort of movement of minorities getting money and having fun making music other people enjoy.

ill keep my fingers crossed for your jheri curl and rayon days coming back, though.

 

[SamoanDagorilla]

LMAO^^^^

 

[BOOBOO619]

That was a nice novel, Gas One. :ermm: No point in breaking it all down sentence by sentence. Just summerize your opinion and that's it.


BTW, FUCK HYPHY (I like OLD BAY, that MOBB $HIT), SNAP MUSIC AND ALL THAT SAME SOUNDING BULLSHIT. IT AIN'T REAL MUSIC IMHO. It's a temporary sound that will be forgotten, trust me. I don't know about you, but just LISTEN to this $hit, disect it and compare it to older hiphop, it's complete BS. Don't let em brainwash you.

 

[thizzface420]

iono the ATL iz dominatin the main$tream rite now so til that diez down who knowz

 

[XL Middleton]

Whats crackin witcha. Yeah, the "rich jews" comment might have been a little anti-semite (not on purpose) and i apologize for making generalizations about a group of people. Jerry Heller might be responsible for alot of the west coast shining, but like you said...totally different subject.

I was cruising myspace and I was checking out some rappers pictures in the bay and i definately noticed the amount of solidarity. Casual of hiero taking a picture of MC hammer, things like that.

On that same note, Based on the few years i've lived in the bay ive learned that the bay has that instilled in their culture. Its much more of a melting pot.

Southern california dosent have that "melting pot" culture. We take our over-territorial nature and hold it on our sleeve. More than gang rules, its almost as deep as our community upbringings. San Diego is blacks over here, mexicans over there, whites up there. Maybe this plays in with how we view our networking power.

standoffish, unsure.

Related to that hollywood mentality comment...I wonder, are we asking the right questions about ourselves right now?

Is it more of a personal problem than a industry problem?

Maybe the nature of Southern California is hereditary...And maybe we need some sort of rehabilitation with how we view the game..what can we do to change the minds of those involved, as a whole?

Would it take everyone viewing a route as successful to follow suit?

Will I ever get another west coast album like pharcydes first joint?

or the alkaholiks first and second album?

Is the west coast trying too hard to be west coast?

two examples...ras kass's "rassassination", and the liks's "Likwidation" (which were both good albums, IMO)...both read as albums where artists felt shaky about their creative control and tried to cater to the west coast too hard, and suffered pretty bad album sales and even a decrease in fans in the process.

i dont think we really need to be molding a picture of the west coast too hard, i think bieng west coast is something that should be inside you and not like.....conjured up to look and feel west coast..all that "the west is back!" "the west!!" shit annoys people.

remember that song "when the east is in the house"...? i didnt like it because i was west coast and i felt they were doing too much gloating about how great they are.

west coast this west coast that, west coast shirts (im not dissing fabricali, shout out)...i just want someone to be west without broadcasting the shit so damn hard.

wasnt that why we (those who didnt) like the east? they felt they were owners of everything? for some reason i feel like thats us now.

and definately man...people take the easy way out...and come and go and arent seen again...i think we need more people willing to stick with this for the long haul...its amazing how many people who live here who for some reason, still cannot figure out what our problem is.

I think the game will eventually change and become something more tangible for us to work with. nothing can stay the same forever.

damn homie lotta real shit you're saying here. it might just go beyond the music industry, it might be more of a personal thing, cuz it ain't just rappers or just musicians who be on that hollywood shit, it expands out to the dj's and the industry folks, beyond the music industry to the whole tv/movie biz, and all the wannabes that follow them.

and man, your comment about what makes something successful, in many cases it seems so true - the masses have to regard it as successful in order for it to really be that.

bottom line, i wanna see more rappers saying fuck the industry and just making the music they wanna hear. i feel like in the longrun that's how you really win. and if there was a stronger movement in that direction, all the snap music etc. wouldn't seem so bad because there would be more of a balance. im sure it would be easier to stomach music like that if it was some songs here and there.

 

[livemanikins]

to me answer is good universal music