I dont know about yall but i'm pretty tired of waiting for the west to get put on the scene with the rest of them. I think the biggest we got right now is just the Game and Snoop. Its gonna take an artist that has no affiliation with Dr.Dre to bring it. I know WC and Dr.Dre has some shit comming out which will probably be the jumpstart of the west. I dont think the west needs to take over or nothin like that, how about just getting in the mix with the rest of them. I think that would be good enough.
Whats it gonna take to put the West on the radio/videos?
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I think the mainstream east/south/midwest overlook anything from the west that aint comin from Dre. E 40 in the mainstream but thats cuz he rollin wit Lil Jon. The few big names on the west are gonna have to bring more westcoast artists inito the mainstream by havin them as features in the songs and videos. Doesnt have to be big names from the west Game broke through on that Jim Jones joint. Its goona take something like that for someone else to blow
What if there was a way to make money and build a reputation in the music industry music without bieng on radio or video? What if the game changed before your eyes and there was a new avenue?
Why is the west coasts dying wish to be used,abused,whored out by coorporate suits and rich jews that dont give a fuck about us, outside of a quick buck, a trend and a ramp to jump into the next cool thing?
why arent we looking at self-preservation and bieng self-sufficient as the entire west coast?
we need more thinkers involved. its more than a movement, its how well your movement was planned..
and instead of looking at one person to open the door for everyone else, come in the door with everyone....i feel like the initial groundwork and sacrafice that takes is something that breeds noticability. its bigger than the one guy that cracks for everyone in california (or even his city) to me. that recipe is old.
everyone needs to have a plan.
thats just my opinion and my outside-looking-in view of it.
for all we know, the days of a "coast reigning" could be gone. the south is much bigger than everyones giving it credit for, by saying that the south has the game on lock. what about every other place in the south that is virtually unheard of? do they not count?
even when california was on top, california was california. it took almost 20 years for everyone else to realize that the bay and LA arent right next to eachother and do not do the same things.
let alone the fact san diego was virtually unnoticed beyond what, jayo felony and lil rob...so yeah..calls for a new blueprint..
Why is the west coasts dying wish to be used,abused,whored out by coorporate suits and rich jews that dont give a fuck about us, outside of a quick buck, a trend and a ramp to jump into the next cool thing?
why arent we looking at self-preservation and bieng self-sufficient as the entire west coast?
we need more thinkers involved. its more than a movement, its how well your movement was planned..
and instead of looking at one person to open the door for everyone else, come in the door with everyone....i feel like the initial groundwork and sacrafice that takes is something that breeds noticability. its bigger than the one guy that cracks for everyone in california (or even his city) to me. that recipe is old.
everyone needs to have a plan.
thats just my opinion and my outside-looking-in view of it.
for all we know, the days of a "coast reigning" could be gone. the south is much bigger than everyones giving it credit for, by saying that the south has the game on lock. what about every other place in the south that is virtually unheard of? do they not count?
even when california was on top, california was california. it took almost 20 years for everyone else to realize that the bay and LA arent right next to eachother and do not do the same things.
let alone the fact san diego was virtually unnoticed beyond what, jayo felony and lil rob...so yeah..calls for a new blueprint..
the problem with music (rap mostly) right now, and what HAS BEEN THE PROBLEM FOR A DECADE is that people no longer go with what feels good, they go with what the last man did.
This is a combination of the media owners, and the artists fault.
so right now theres some fool thinking of how he can be JUST LIKE GAME but a little more harder. and thats who will blow up in the next year for the west. think im playing? watch.
didnt you notice how many ti's came out after ti? how many young jeezys came out after young jeezy?
look at it from an industry standard, rappers are investment risks. the less risk involved and the more tried-and-true methods a rapper can include within his package will seal a deal for them.
and thats who you find on radio and video. its not a miracle that rich boy came out of nowhere and sold more than whole cities. he said "hey i can sound a little bit like ti and get the same sales, give me a deal"
so if youre looking to find something else, watch old rap city reruns.
This is a combination of the media owners, and the artists fault.
so right now theres some fool thinking of how he can be JUST LIKE GAME but a little more harder. and thats who will blow up in the next year for the west. think im playing? watch.
didnt you notice how many ti's came out after ti? how many young jeezys came out after young jeezy?
look at it from an industry standard, rappers are investment risks. the less risk involved and the more tried-and-true methods a rapper can include within his package will seal a deal for them.
and thats who you find on radio and video. its not a miracle that rich boy came out of nowhere and sold more than whole cities. he said "hey i can sound a little bit like ti and get the same sales, give me a deal"
so if youre looking to find something else, watch old rap city reruns.
Collaborting will be a big key. I dont know a single soul in the rap game but i wish i did. I'm sure alot of money will be needed ofcourse. Just come out with more club catered songs and have Paul Wall, Lil Wayne, Akon or Jeezy etc. jump on verses. Make videos of them songs. Even if the songs are about ballin, grillz and chains n shit. So what? I really dont see nothing wrong with that. Artists in the West are already rappin about that shit anyway. Do that shit like them but with ur own twist then when u blow up of some sort, thats when u come out and show ur real music the way u wanna do it.
party music needs to be made but party music needs to be made in a WEST COAST WAY.
people should be able to choose how or what they want to party to.
so if you wanna get hyphy you can play hyphy shit
if you and your boys wanna snap to a snap song, do that
you want a club song for the bitches, do that
but west coast party music to me is backyard functions, beaches, summertime weather, and random acts of violence following.
every other place that makes "party music" shouldnt be making it how we make it, as we live in a totally different sort of vibe.
i just look back at videos like gin and juice and nothin but a g thang that depicted the west coast, we dont get enough of that.
its just some stupid ass wannabe artistic hype williams shot of some buildings and some pigeons flying and some stupid fuck clapping at them...like we didnt see that in the last 5 movies concerning LA
back when the west coast was big, we had EVEN MORE HATE. i think we need to keep that in mind. the east coast used to hate us. the south have damn near formed an olive branch with us, since the east has been calling them dumb for the last decade. and the east now views us as some sort of brother now that they wanna bang. what more do we need as a push?
sorry for the large amount of text/posts. im bored today at work.
people should be able to choose how or what they want to party to.
so if you wanna get hyphy you can play hyphy shit
if you and your boys wanna snap to a snap song, do that
you want a club song for the bitches, do that
but west coast party music to me is backyard functions, beaches, summertime weather, and random acts of violence following.
every other place that makes "party music" shouldnt be making it how we make it, as we live in a totally different sort of vibe.
i just look back at videos like gin and juice and nothin but a g thang that depicted the west coast, we dont get enough of that.
its just some stupid ass wannabe artistic hype williams shot of some buildings and some pigeons flying and some stupid fuck clapping at them...like we didnt see that in the last 5 movies concerning LA
back when the west coast was big, we had EVEN MORE HATE. i think we need to keep that in mind. the east coast used to hate us. the south have damn near formed an olive branch with us, since the east has been calling them dumb for the last decade. and the east now views us as some sort of brother now that they wanna bang. what more do we need as a push?
sorry for the large amount of text/posts. im bored today at work.
FUCK the South and all that radio rap that follows right now. $hit is all gay homies. Please don't jump on that bandwagon.
Bring that G-Funk back, for reals! The WestCoast had it's own sound in the 90's. That's the sound that needs to come back because that's the sound that best defines the big bad WEST. That's the sound that blew the WEST up, god dammnit, haha. Not necessarily G-Funk or Bay Area Mobb sound, but that REAL music, Piano, Chords, Strings, Guitar, synth/bass-guitar Basslines, Synth Leads, acoustic drumsets, all that REAL shit that created REAL sounding music. That's what Rap is lacking in general, music, the production game is DOWN right now IMO. That Chronic 2001 sound is the best sound to describe what I'm talking about, it's the best modern WEST sound IMO. If you have good musical production, good lyrics will follow because the music will set the proper vibe. If you have a laffy taffy beat or a lil jon southern type beat or silly ass noises like whistles, ain't nothing going to be real lyrically, just some random faggot sounding bullshit.
Bring that G-Funk back, for reals! The WestCoast had it's own sound in the 90's. That's the sound that needs to come back because that's the sound that best defines the big bad WEST. That's the sound that blew the WEST up, god dammnit, haha. Not necessarily G-Funk or Bay Area Mobb sound, but that REAL music, Piano, Chords, Strings, Guitar, synth/bass-guitar Basslines, Synth Leads, acoustic drumsets, all that REAL shit that created REAL sounding music. That's what Rap is lacking in general, music, the production game is DOWN right now IMO. That Chronic 2001 sound is the best sound to describe what I'm talking about, it's the best modern WEST sound IMO. If you have good musical production, good lyrics will follow because the music will set the proper vibe. If you have a laffy taffy beat or a lil jon southern type beat or silly ass noises like whistles, ain't nothing going to be real lyrically, just some random faggot sounding bullshit.
Nigaz need to just make good music & I'm fine with that. Fuck trying to get a bunch of big name features. All of theses featureskind of makes me not wanna buy the fuckin album. Jeezy, Wayne etc. I don't even like them niggaz so I sho aint trying buy a CD just cuz they name on it. I stop buying shit because of collabs back in the late 90's. Like I said, make good music & I'm fuckin with u, make bad music & I'm not.
Fuck radio cuz I don't listen to it so I dont give a fuck what they play on it. If they gotta video then put it on DVD & make the CD/DVD packedge like they been doing . I'm fine with that.
This is probably the worst time to try to get radio & video play cuz corporate politics are getting worse & worse.
Fuck radio cuz I don't listen to it so I dont give a fuck what they play on it. If they gotta video then put it on DVD & make the CD/DVD packedge like they been doing . I'm fine with that.
This is probably the worst time to try to get radio & video play cuz corporate politics are getting worse & worse.
I understand how u feel. G-Funk and Mobb Sound was great back then. Its a different time frame now man. Unless someone can do it the right way, but i highly doubt that. As long as the beats are tight thats all that matters IMO. I like alot of the new beats now. When the west was hot then everything comming out wasnt tight. There was alot of wack shit then as well. It really needs to go back to when it didnt matter where u were from. Dope shit is dope shit. Thats one of the big problems to me right now. If so n so aint from this region it aint sellin in this region. Its time to start making music that everyone can relate to. Damm near everybody goes to clubs in shit. Where else is there to go? When u go somewhere away from home, where do u go? Lookin for bitches right? And guess where all the bitches are.
The west is just one state. Unless u wanna include Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Arizona westcoast as well. U look at the south its HUGE. Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Tennesee etc. And they all get along. Its like they all accept eachother. Southern Cali and the Bay could hardly get along which is a big problem cuz they dont support eachother. The Messy Slick album is a very good move IMO. I think we need more of those too.
The west is just one state. Unless u wanna include Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Arizona westcoast as well. U look at the south its HUGE. Texas, Mississippi, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, Missouri, Tennesee etc. And they all get along. Its like they all accept eachother. Southern Cali and the Bay could hardly get along which is a big problem cuz they dont support eachother. The Messy Slick album is a very good move IMO. I think we need more of those too.
i think out west alot of artists always gotta say where they from. Its cool, but on every song? Its great to rep ur city and state but when hip hop fans here the way u talk let alone the way u rap they will know. I think it would be best to just come out with some good shit and let the listeners guess. If they like u, they will find out where u from. Songs that everybody can relate to will be a key though. Not everybody where's a rag and chucks. Make a couple of radio friendly songs and the other 13 or 14 songs can be about some cali shit or whatever u wanna really rap about. I'm sure alot of cali artists can sacrifice 1 or 2 songs to be on some club shit.
whats up homie, this is well said except the part about "rich jews" i disagree with that, but that's a whole other argument. aside from that i think we're definitely on the same page here. and if you think about it, the Bay section of our West Coast has definitely been on this for...what, two decades already? their mentality as a whole has been, "fuck a major label deal that might not come, i'm gonna get my money now!!!"
down here in Southern Cali, i think we've had a harder time with that, like i've said in previous posts everyone down here (LA in particular) has that Hollywood mentality, i guess its hard to strive for anything but that multi-million dollar deal when you got movie stars everywhere and major labels with corporate offices right in your backyard.
but what would happen if we focused more on taking our music straight to the people who listen to it? what if we didn't care about winning a Grammy or getting radio spins? i still believe that good music will speak for itself even if the corporate powers that be are trying to shut down our avenues to do so. thing is, it takes unity which we all know is hard to come by. if we ever decided to walk that path we'd be best off walking it together. but i really do think that the best bet for the majority of artists anywhere is to band together and form a sort of "anti-music industry". hell, even a lot of the west coast artists who have deals aren't necessarily gonna prosper from them.
you're right man most of us on the West are guilty of being over-territorial lol...its funny though what u were saying about the rag and chucks though, because that's like all Game talks about, his 40's and chucks and khaki suits and chronic that he smokes. his subject matter is more stuck in the 90's than a lot of other artists out here, i guess it's just because he does it with that East Coast swagger that it still gets by. not to mention that's all the rest of the country seems to think we're about anyway (we can also thank Snoop for that).
Just make good music, it's simple as that. It don't matter where your from, JUST MAKE GOOD MUSIC. And right now at the moment, there really isn't any on a mainstream level IMO, it's all the same sounding bullshit. And in order for someone from the WEST to do that, they just need to come out, be REAL and original. If you fall into the trap of doing what's "HOTT," then your fucked and just like the rest of everyone on the radio right now, a one or two hit wonder. Turn off the radio, don't listen to any $hit so it doesn't influence you and go create something original. Production wise, I think people should look at it as if it was a BAND or orcestra so you have plenty of elements to energize or give your beat character, have people that know instruments and how to play them, piano, guitar especially and hopefully some REAL sound can come out of it, no one finger $hit melodies and nonsense noises, use REAL sounds and improvise, good music is just as important as good lyrics, you need a combination of both to create good hits.
Think about this, there's definitely plenty of great hiphop that came out of the 90's that will probably be considered "classic/oldies" 20+ years from now. Now do you actually think music like Jim Jones-We Fly High or Rick Ross-Everyday I'm Hustlin' etc... is going to be considered a classic years from now, FUCK Naaah! All this shit right now is temporary fun,it's not REAL music, it's just club BS that'll be forgotten.
Think about this, there's definitely plenty of great hiphop that came out of the 90's that will probably be considered "classic/oldies" 20+ years from now. Now do you actually think music like Jim Jones-We Fly High or Rick Ross-Everyday I'm Hustlin' etc... is going to be considered a classic years from now, FUCK Naaah! All this shit right now is temporary fun,it's not REAL music, it's just club BS that'll be forgotten.