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It would have been wiser for my comment to not include specific names, but for what its worth, Syko/Nonstop is the one monster project that IMO could Portland (and the region) over the top. That is why you were named, frustration knowing it won't see light until at least 2009 (or later?). By then, who knows what will have changed in the landscape. It's the same reason Jay-Z and Nas won't even announce if they're working on a project together--they know people will want it out ASAP, or it might slip away.
I will still stand by my comments, as it relates to a Rap career. As far as production, thats a whole different ballgame. Production can get you a $x,000 salary doing beats, mixing, whatever else--rapping verses won't do that, its straight independent contract work. As far as 27 shows and 12 albums...facetious, yes...grain of truth, I would disagree. Shows don't need to net you a paycheck and nothing else. If your shit is really fire and you reach out to the locals, your street teams will start building themselves. Pre-orders will start coming in. Merchandise. Local Rappers/labels wanting to buy beats. All of that. You don't need too many sales to land on the Billboard Top 200, around a grand, give or take a few hundred. You could easily pre-order that much.
I salute you for getting the good money instead of waiting around for the non-guaranteed. We're a whole different culture out here. We bootleg the shit out of everything and hate going to concerts. It's an uphill battle. I can't blame anyone for being 80-20 or 90-10, in-area vs out-of-area. We'll flip that around soon enough.
I will still stand by my comments, as it relates to a Rap career. As far as production, thats a whole different ballgame. Production can get you a $x,000 salary doing beats, mixing, whatever else--rapping verses won't do that, its straight independent contract work. As far as 27 shows and 12 albums...facetious, yes...grain of truth, I would disagree. Shows don't need to net you a paycheck and nothing else. If your shit is really fire and you reach out to the locals, your street teams will start building themselves. Pre-orders will start coming in. Merchandise. Local Rappers/labels wanting to buy beats. All of that. You don't need too many sales to land on the Billboard Top 200, around a grand, give or take a few hundred. You could easily pre-order that much.
I salute you for getting the good money instead of waiting around for the non-guaranteed. We're a whole different culture out here. We bootleg the shit out of everything and hate going to concerts. It's an uphill battle. I can't blame anyone for being 80-20 or 90-10, in-area vs out-of-area. We'll flip that around soon enough.
I am clear about all of the up and coming. What I am not clear on is how you can say that the Trudell quote I posted has no substance. And even if he was high out of his mind, name one mother fucker out there that writes a serious most profound and profetic vibe in script and doesn't make sense. It is usually the ones who are the highest that make the most sense of all. Mainly because Mama mary jane makes it all possible. Shit! As if most all hip hop does not incorporate Marijuana in they musical content or written words. And that is the truth.
Take a look at John Trudell on You tube and listen to a song called "Look at Us, Look at Them and tell me if you still think he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Besides his words would lay even the most eloquent M.C. on their ass, without even trying dude, and after that listen to "Tribal Voice." and then holler back! You think some one who has their entire family killed by the Feds, and over 17,000 pages of documentation from the COINTELPRO or Counter Intellingence Program isn't going to have something to say? Yeah right.
Back to Square One. I apologize for name dropping like I did because I was apprehensive about it in the first place. I just figured that in order for my message to be at least a little more meaningful it would take a clearer understanding of the whole northwest vibe actuated by the fact that N.W. radio never gives any love to it's own home town artists.
Furthermore I extend a very gracious thanks for such a good response to this post. Sometimes you just have to stir up the kool aid if you want it to taste right.
Nonstop. Congrats on the upcoming release by the way, It makes me proud to know there is still some love left in the game, even if you have to go to the ATL to get it. I remember the first time I went to Decatur, I was welcome with open arms and like ten different honey's within a day, that and it was like Eddie Murphy said in "Delirious" pussy was like frisbee's. pheeew here ya go, all over Cumberland mall, Shit! even at the waffle house on I-85, I must say even hillbilly bitches give good head :0 maybe it the lack of teeth I don't know? but what ever.
Peace out Ya'll...
Take a look at John Trudell on You tube and listen to a song called "Look at Us, Look at Them and tell me if you still think he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Besides his words would lay even the most eloquent M.C. on their ass, without even trying dude, and after that listen to "Tribal Voice." and then holler back! You think some one who has their entire family killed by the Feds, and over 17,000 pages of documentation from the COINTELPRO or Counter Intellingence Program isn't going to have something to say? Yeah right.
Back to Square One. I apologize for name dropping like I did because I was apprehensive about it in the first place. I just figured that in order for my message to be at least a little more meaningful it would take a clearer understanding of the whole northwest vibe actuated by the fact that N.W. radio never gives any love to it's own home town artists.
Furthermore I extend a very gracious thanks for such a good response to this post. Sometimes you just have to stir up the kool aid if you want it to taste right.
Nonstop. Congrats on the upcoming release by the way, It makes me proud to know there is still some love left in the game, even if you have to go to the ATL to get it. I remember the first time I went to Decatur, I was welcome with open arms and like ten different honey's within a day, that and it was like Eddie Murphy said in "Delirious" pussy was like frisbee's. pheeew here ya go, all over Cumberland mall, Shit! even at the waffle house on I-85, I must say even hillbilly bitches give good head :0 maybe it the lack of teeth I don't know? but what ever.
Peace out Ya'll...
MAN FUCK IT! I am just gonna take it from those who think they really know and really don't.
Somebody said early in the post that I should just lick my fingers clean, but I already have before, for a bitch who ripped my heart out. and took with her a life I helped create and today it still remains that I am without my son.
I would rather take the reigns of the whole fuckin N.W. Radio Market and give it back to those who really deserve it. And there are many here in town who do!
In my real opinion there is no room for debate because I am the indigenous one (BEFORE PORTLAND). The Blood that was spilled before the bones of my ancestors were layed to rest. They are the ones who give me the power to lay claim to everything here in my country!
Not that all are not created equal because all humans are equal, Fucking Ice Bridge my right testicle! God Damn them for making us think that they know more than we do. I was born to know. Now I am a humble man in most respects but I am sick and fucking tired of Zealots, Harlots and Liars! Or those who tell you that you can't. I have seen many tears fall from family's eyes for this that and the other. I am tired of it all the way. Mother fuckers who kill for their own selfish gains Like trudell says, "War monger and money master cash in on the oppressed and kill them off, building concrete profit erections that reach the sky." (John Trudell) verbatim.
The way I see it is we are the first ones here and the last ones served, the people starve and they could give a fuck! They try and convince as many as they can that what they create must be consumed or we die. Fuck them in the skull! The Rez and the Ghetto are the same mother fucking thing!!!
What I meant in what I said is, that they think we should just accept it and ignore it and we should keep listening to the garbage while we put our shit on the back burner. I am not talking about the ones who are working their asses off I am talking about the ones who desire to know how to approach it, weather that is music or art or this or that! Be independent. Not a fucking follower. and if you have the ability to speak to the masses, and you have a message to send, teach them all but do it with good in your heart.
for all of us...
Respect>>>
Redthunder...
Somebody said early in the post that I should just lick my fingers clean, but I already have before, for a bitch who ripped my heart out. and took with her a life I helped create and today it still remains that I am without my son.
I would rather take the reigns of the whole fuckin N.W. Radio Market and give it back to those who really deserve it. And there are many here in town who do!
In my real opinion there is no room for debate because I am the indigenous one (BEFORE PORTLAND). The Blood that was spilled before the bones of my ancestors were layed to rest. They are the ones who give me the power to lay claim to everything here in my country!
Not that all are not created equal because all humans are equal, Fucking Ice Bridge my right testicle! God Damn them for making us think that they know more than we do. I was born to know. Now I am a humble man in most respects but I am sick and fucking tired of Zealots, Harlots and Liars! Or those who tell you that you can't. I have seen many tears fall from family's eyes for this that and the other. I am tired of it all the way. Mother fuckers who kill for their own selfish gains Like trudell says, "War monger and money master cash in on the oppressed and kill them off, building concrete profit erections that reach the sky." (John Trudell) verbatim.
The way I see it is we are the first ones here and the last ones served, the people starve and they could give a fuck! They try and convince as many as they can that what they create must be consumed or we die. Fuck them in the skull! The Rez and the Ghetto are the same mother fucking thing!!!
What I meant in what I said is, that they think we should just accept it and ignore it and we should keep listening to the garbage while we put our shit on the back burner. I am not talking about the ones who are working their asses off I am talking about the ones who desire to know how to approach it, weather that is music or art or this or that! Be independent. Not a fucking follower. and if you have the ability to speak to the masses, and you have a message to send, teach them all but do it with good in your heart.
for all of us...
Respect>>>
Redthunder...
I respect you for having an independent mind with independent thoughts, but most of what you're saying can't be applied to this region. Most of what you speak of is suicide.
Leading is Following. Just the way it is. You cannot be a Leader without understanding how to Follow, and be a good Follower, and inspiring others to Follow even in the absence of the Leader. You cannot be a great Leader if you've incapable of being a great Follower. You cannot even comprehend how to be a Leader of People until you understand how to be a Follower of Ideas. You can't comprehend how to be a Leader of Ideas until you understand how to be a Follower of People. The difference is how you put those People and those Ideas together. It's a Punnett square. We aren't breeding peas here though, we're breeding the Future.
To put it another way: Great songs don't make great Mixtapes...Great DJs make great mixtapes with the help of poor, average and great songs alike.
Nobody is saying you have to wear a 3-piece suit and call everyone "Sir" to get some radio play, but at the same time, you can't be yelling out "FUCK THE RADIO" "FUCK THESE CORPORATE SLUTS" "EAT A DICK, AMERICA, YOU RAPISTS"......and think that just because you made a curse-free "shake your ass in the club" track, that they're going to make an exception. People working at radio stations aren't idiots. They're people like you and me. You might do accounts receivable for a living. This man over here might run the fry machine at Wendy's for a living. Radio people happen to control what we hear over the airwaves for a living. You give them far too much power.
There's a simple formula, my friend........the amount of jealousy you have about a thing is inversely proportional to the amount of capital, time and skill needed to acquire that same thing. A Lexus or a House in the 'burbs is one thing to hate on--just about everyone can have one of those, in due time--but not everyone can own a large record store chain or a radio station, in their entire life.
Bad things happen to "poets" and "artists" all the time; doesn't give credence to the crap they're saying. If i put on the wackest rapper you ever heard in your life, then waited for you to listen to 2 songs and hate on him....then told you a story about how he was born with no legs, to homeless Polynesian immigrants, and has AIDS....all of the sudden, his next 2 songs "don't sound half bad" and "will take some time to grow" on you. That's 80% of America right there. Hell, thats 99.9999% of the "Hate America" crowd as well. It's pure manipulation.
The point I'm trying to make is that, it's one thing to build something from the ground up, and be appreciative, and spread love and goodwill, support the real, encourage the weak to get real......its another to hate, and ridicule, and complain, and tear down what others have built--then build up some inferior structure of your own, and demand equality. It's just not the route to go.
It's the same reason Churches save Prostitutes instead of that-one-guy-who-steals-mp3s-online. It's the reason we have Big Brothers Big Sisters, instead of the National Homeless People College Fund.
No Radio play is not a punishment for a crime; its a symptom of a larger issue...lack of demand. People don't want to hear platinum-selling artists side-by-side with 100-selling artists the same way car shoppers don't want to see Kia/Hyundai/Benz dealerships. Once we get our own dealerships going, Warranties and Service plans going....this whole thing will pick up steam. Until then, we will remain the Go Karts of the Hip-Hop world.
And I don't care how much you pimp that ride....it's still a Go Kart.
Leading is Following. Just the way it is. You cannot be a Leader without understanding how to Follow, and be a good Follower, and inspiring others to Follow even in the absence of the Leader. You cannot be a great Leader if you've incapable of being a great Follower. You cannot even comprehend how to be a Leader of People until you understand how to be a Follower of Ideas. You can't comprehend how to be a Leader of Ideas until you understand how to be a Follower of People. The difference is how you put those People and those Ideas together. It's a Punnett square. We aren't breeding peas here though, we're breeding the Future.
To put it another way: Great songs don't make great Mixtapes...Great DJs make great mixtapes with the help of poor, average and great songs alike.
Nobody is saying you have to wear a 3-piece suit and call everyone "Sir" to get some radio play, but at the same time, you can't be yelling out "FUCK THE RADIO" "FUCK THESE CORPORATE SLUTS" "EAT A DICK, AMERICA, YOU RAPISTS"......and think that just because you made a curse-free "shake your ass in the club" track, that they're going to make an exception. People working at radio stations aren't idiots. They're people like you and me. You might do accounts receivable for a living. This man over here might run the fry machine at Wendy's for a living. Radio people happen to control what we hear over the airwaves for a living. You give them far too much power.
There's a simple formula, my friend........the amount of jealousy you have about a thing is inversely proportional to the amount of capital, time and skill needed to acquire that same thing. A Lexus or a House in the 'burbs is one thing to hate on--just about everyone can have one of those, in due time--but not everyone can own a large record store chain or a radio station, in their entire life.
Bad things happen to "poets" and "artists" all the time; doesn't give credence to the crap they're saying. If i put on the wackest rapper you ever heard in your life, then waited for you to listen to 2 songs and hate on him....then told you a story about how he was born with no legs, to homeless Polynesian immigrants, and has AIDS....all of the sudden, his next 2 songs "don't sound half bad" and "will take some time to grow" on you. That's 80% of America right there. Hell, thats 99.9999% of the "Hate America" crowd as well. It's pure manipulation.
The point I'm trying to make is that, it's one thing to build something from the ground up, and be appreciative, and spread love and goodwill, support the real, encourage the weak to get real......its another to hate, and ridicule, and complain, and tear down what others have built--then build up some inferior structure of your own, and demand equality. It's just not the route to go.
It's the same reason Churches save Prostitutes instead of that-one-guy-who-steals-mp3s-online. It's the reason we have Big Brothers Big Sisters, instead of the National Homeless People College Fund.
No Radio play is not a punishment for a crime; its a symptom of a larger issue...lack of demand. People don't want to hear platinum-selling artists side-by-side with 100-selling artists the same way car shoppers don't want to see Kia/Hyundai/Benz dealerships. Once we get our own dealerships going, Warranties and Service plans going....this whole thing will pick up steam. Until then, we will remain the Go Karts of the Hip-Hop world.
And I don't care how much you pimp that ride....it's still a Go Kart.
No Name Dropping in here! If you would please!
People may ask who I am in here. That is the reason we have anonymity through our screen names. even if you are my bro. Shut the fuck up about my name or kick your fucking teeth in!
AYEZ I joke!
On the go cart comment. Yeah you can pimp a go cart and yes even if you do it is still a go cart. that being said I have seen some go carts hit 150 plus MPH, still a go cart but fast as hell.
Just because it is something outside the normal mode of transport and not street legal, does not mean that it can not perform well against another vehicle of a higher caliber and octane rating.
Radio follows the same guidelines. Even if it is not the expected mainline music program it still has the ability to perform like a 150,000 watt radio station and entertain as well as serve the entire populace. Furthermore, I do not give a damn who it is, if you like music and can stand most all of it, then you can appreciate it for what it is. entertainment plain and simple.
Radio and music normally go hand in hand but in todays world, the listener has been bombarded by commercials, excess talk from the slack jawed radio hosts who seem to rant endlessly about nothing. beyond that, what time is left for the music but 15 real minutes, Commercial advertisements pay 10 times more than the weekly top 40, so I understand the reason for commercials to exist, without them radio would be non existent.
Now weighing in on what I had mentioned about satellite radio. Yes, both Sirius and Xm have advertisements but most are very brief and give way more time to the listener for the music and if you don't want music, there are over 30 channels in both recently merged companies that offer nothing but talk, or comedy or weather and traffic.
I guess I will just have to agree to disagree with you Mr. Shoez and wish you the best in further debates to come. I also thank you for your words and wisdom. It is rare to find someone else who shares the same views and yet can argue like a mother fucker their own individual point...
Peace Out...
People may ask who I am in here. That is the reason we have anonymity through our screen names. even if you are my bro. Shut the fuck up about my name or kick your fucking teeth in!
AYEZ I joke!
On the go cart comment. Yeah you can pimp a go cart and yes even if you do it is still a go cart. that being said I have seen some go carts hit 150 plus MPH, still a go cart but fast as hell.
Just because it is something outside the normal mode of transport and not street legal, does not mean that it can not perform well against another vehicle of a higher caliber and octane rating.
Radio follows the same guidelines. Even if it is not the expected mainline music program it still has the ability to perform like a 150,000 watt radio station and entertain as well as serve the entire populace. Furthermore, I do not give a damn who it is, if you like music and can stand most all of it, then you can appreciate it for what it is. entertainment plain and simple.
Radio and music normally go hand in hand but in todays world, the listener has been bombarded by commercials, excess talk from the slack jawed radio hosts who seem to rant endlessly about nothing. beyond that, what time is left for the music but 15 real minutes, Commercial advertisements pay 10 times more than the weekly top 40, so I understand the reason for commercials to exist, without them radio would be non existent.
Now weighing in on what I had mentioned about satellite radio. Yes, both Sirius and Xm have advertisements but most are very brief and give way more time to the listener for the music and if you don't want music, there are over 30 channels in both recently merged companies that offer nothing but talk, or comedy or weather and traffic.
I guess I will just have to agree to disagree with you Mr. Shoez and wish you the best in further debates to come. I also thank you for your words and wisdom. It is rare to find someone else who shares the same views and yet can argue like a mother fucker their own individual point...
Peace Out...
I have read snippets of this gigantic thread. I think a good chunk of it, particularly the city reminiscing (the part about teens on the bus, "people helping each other" etc) is due to one thing, and that thing is not actual change, but you getting older. It happens to all of us, sometimes I have similar musings towards my hometown but then it's like "wait, you're 24 not 21, you're going to feel a little differently about some of this stuff."
But your stuff about the radio I obviously feel 100%. I was into Kube 93 from 6th grade through 9th grade. Then I realized that hip-hop radio fucking sucks a gigantic nut sack in every city of the USA, and I haven't listened to it for more than 3 minutes at a time since (that is not a lie or exageration). Other forms of music, I can mess w/ it, but not rap.
And it does suck some of the talent can't get shine locally b/c larger more national forces control it, b/c NY or ATL or LA sure as hell isn't coming up to the Northwest to look for people, we got to do it ourselves, or in some cases, relocate to them and do it.
To the people like NonStop who are Northwest to the core but have relocated chasing a dream, I have so much respect for that, do your thing and just let us know what you're up to and we'll support you. I am doing the exact same thing in my career, it's not easy but sometimes you just gotta do it.
PS I got a shoutout at the Atlanta airport a few years ago, a guy working at the airport saw my Seahawks hat and came up and shook my hand, shouted out the Central District in Seattle and how much love he had for that place and how real the people there were, it was cool. Northwest people are all around the US and they are strong.
But your stuff about the radio I obviously feel 100%. I was into Kube 93 from 6th grade through 9th grade. Then I realized that hip-hop radio fucking sucks a gigantic nut sack in every city of the USA, and I haven't listened to it for more than 3 minutes at a time since (that is not a lie or exageration). Other forms of music, I can mess w/ it, but not rap.
And it does suck some of the talent can't get shine locally b/c larger more national forces control it, b/c NY or ATL or LA sure as hell isn't coming up to the Northwest to look for people, we got to do it ourselves, or in some cases, relocate to them and do it.
To the people like NonStop who are Northwest to the core but have relocated chasing a dream, I have so much respect for that, do your thing and just let us know what you're up to and we'll support you. I am doing the exact same thing in my career, it's not easy but sometimes you just gotta do it.
PS I got a shoutout at the Atlanta airport a few years ago, a guy working at the airport saw my Seahawks hat and came up and shook my hand, shouted out the Central District in Seattle and how much love he had for that place and how real the people there were, it was cool. Northwest people are all around the US and they are strong.
